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Yes but my point being is that objects that are not metal, can still be brought onto the ride. There is a reason the TSA x-rays you, your belongings and doesn’t solely rely on metal detectors.

How would they make the rides more loose article friendly outside of making the rides tamer?

I recall the original TTD allowing loose articles? I remember having them on my person when I last rode it in 2018, and those were some of the most minimal restraints ever. The new trains look to have a wider lap bar, too, so WTH? I think parks should start making ride designers make their products more loose article friendly, at least when it comes to things like car keys, phones, various cards, etc. One of my pet peeves with the industry is this whole war against loose articles which just makes things more aggravating than they should.

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You know, I went searching for a SC topic on KIC to post about the anniversary here, low and behold my cringey 2012 self made one for me. (Again I apologize for anyone who had to deal with me back then, I too lose brain cells every time I see my old posts) Something that Ryan & Don talked about on Tower Topics and something that I’m surprised the park hasn’t talked about is the waterpark’s 35th anniversary. Hopefully the park could bring some throwback merchandise/signs to the WW/BB eras or some form of recognition for the anniversary. IMO Soak City has been seriously lacking in merchandise variety for years now, so it would be refreshing to see something new come for the 35th. Just a brief on the slide anniversaries this year: Paradise Plunge, Tropical Twister, Pineapple Pipeline, Splash River & Thunder Falls 35 years (Water Works ‘89) Rendezvous Run, Mondo Monsoon, Coconut Cove, Splash Landing 20 years (Boomerang Bay ‘04)

This information is still available on the website. You need to have an account with your passes linked to it. It displays the total number of visits and a list of the dates and what park it was used at.

I have not yet found it. It's one thing that I'm missing from last year (albeit it was off). You can see how many days you have visited if you look at the terminal when you go thourgh the gate, After they click ok an arrow shows up with a number. That number is the number of days you have visited this season. It would also be nice for the app to track how many drinks and meals have been used. It could, for example, show the last TIME each was used therefore taking the guess work out of how long until you can have a meal/drink. Lastly there needs to be a way to tell the difference between the Drink Plan and the Drink Plan + on the app. Hopefully these can be suggestions they can take and put in to improve on an already improved app.

I don't know how Cedar Fair accounts for pass sales, buy they certainly want people to have repeat visits, use the drink plan, use FunPix and the meal plan. Higher attendance from passholders looks good on quarterly reports and many passholders will purchase overpriced goods and services while they are in the park, hence the per caps. I used to work in an industry that allows clients to prepay for a years worth of services and get a discount on said services. All this money went to corporate to. E aggregated across the country and earn interest. As a service was performed, the branch would get a "credit" on the P&L. Of course there were extras that were not in the prepaid package that were upsell opportunities. At the end of the calendar year, if a customer didn't get all the services that they prepaid for, corporate would issue a check after the yearly books were closed. The branch was charged this amount plus a penalty that went against their P&L statement. This incentivized the branches to complete the prepaid services and upsell. Id conjecture that Cedar Fair has a similar system, but instead of services, it's visits, photos, meal plan redemptions, etc. But I could be wrong. All the money goes into the same pot, but like our branches were incentivized to perform, parks are incentivized to encourage attendance and therefore per caps. This works well in theory at least, until corporate cuts the budget and causes attendance to spiral downward, which it will if this short term cheapness goes on for another couple of seasons. Living away from Kings Island ( (Lexington area), I've heard several people in my circles say they won't renew this year.

Is there a way on the app to see how many visits you have made to the park?

I would be surprised if the park settled a frivolous lawsuit brought by an ambulance-chasing personal injury lawyer. Not only is the park fully covered by the T&C of the pass purchase agreement, the plaintiff likely would have to prove that Kennywood KNEW at the time of his purchase that the ride could not and would not be operational for 2024, AND that Kennywood expressly suppressed this information, AND, most importantly, that their advertising was specifically designed to suggest that this particular attraction would be operating for 2024. That's an immense legal hill to climb, even if the two litigants had access to equally-competent legal teams, which they clearly do not.

I merely pointed out the existence of variable costs, one of the most basic business/finance principles around, because you seemed - and seem intent on continuing to be - ignorant of the concept. Which, again, is strikingly odd for a successful businessman. I did not suggest, imply, nor state that customers are "liabilities", so you can go ahead and set fire to that half-assed straw man. I pointed out that every customer, even those who apparently have urostomy and/or colostomy bags, carry a cost to the business, however small and incremental. I point this out to flesh out the argument against the self-entitled attitude of your basic pass holder. You know, the kind that might expect a "thank you" and a parade for spending over an entire year what other guests spend in a weekend...

And I just had a thought. They could even implement the same wristbands that Great Wolf uses. Or used last time I was there some years back. They are RFID, waterproof and they store information that could be useful such as credit card credentials so one doesn't need to carry around their wallet. Granted that makes a lot of sense in a water park setting, I definitely could see this being useful in any amusement park setting. Just flash the user's credentials onto a wristband such as season pass, tickets, add-ons to a disposable RFID wristband and call it a day. Flash the wristband at the FL kiosks, vendors and other such things. Just a thought. Might not be nearly as advanced as say a Flash Pass or Magic Band, but it doesn't really need to be in this case. It still gets the point across and streamlines a lot of things along.

One would think they would refund him no questions if he didn’t use his pass? I can see the park settling with him because it’s cheaper to do so than have this make it to court. That being said it will be interesting to see what comes about for this. It will surely create a ripple effect within the amusement park industry depending on the outcome.

This! It is flatly inexcusable that they failed to anticipate this.

You clearly have not seen the many "articles" in the Register leveling damaging accusations at the park alleging conspiratorial coverups and so on. With that sort of adversarial relationship, it's astonishing that the park didn't cut ties with them until now. As far as it being thousands of dollars of free advertising, how do you figure? Do residents of Sandusky not know that Cedar Point exists?

To be fair, Entertrainment will certainly take care of anyone who purchased a pass if they close. It’s the type of people they are. Coney’s thing didn’t pass the sniff test, but they ultimately did the right thing. All of these are extreme cases. Fundamentally changing the product after purchase under the banner of, “Terms are subject to change. Sucks to be you. No refunds” is in an ethical class of its own. Again, I do not know of KW knew about this far in advance or if they found out and immediately communicated it, but we’ve seen a lot of other examples that I feel support my point.

Does anyone has the soundtrack from the ride? I mean, the main theme, the ghost´s sounds...especially green ghosts laugh Thank you so much

Saw this on reddit today, gave me a good laugh. Clearly we're not the only ones https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasterjerk/comments/1cb7l6z/what_else_do_you_think_theyll_charge_for_this/

The other thing that's been bothering me about the bad PR is that the Cedar Fair, Kings Island, and Cedar Point higher-ups allowed for such bad PR.

This is cute! Nice little touch

Never let someone else stomp on your passion! As we both know, until there is a new Comms Director, this issue will never change. For them, it’s always about their insecurities rather than how to best serve the park. They are not a fan of objective views. Hence the fact that a few dozen members of the 200 Follower & Under Club were invited out to the park for a construction tour but you and Chris weren’t. Either one of you reach more than all of those people combined - by a multitude. As what is always said about the park’s guests and fed to a member here by one of the worst in the industry, “It’s as adorable as it is predictable .”

So they will cut out the people that give them thousands of dollars of free advertising on a continual basis and treat them like crap. Solid business plan. I have stayed pretty quiet about being treated like this, even thinking I did something wrong. I have literally driven hours to and from Indianapolis to help support the park without riding a single ride while there. I don't own KIC, there is no reimbursement for gas or time. There it no hidden perk for me doing this other than loving the park and doing what I can to share my love with fellow enthusiasts. That is the same story for others too. I sure hope one day they can again see how much of an asset and support they have instead of just throwing it out the window.

Not that it makes it right, but from a business perspective, we see this type of activity all the time. The Beach sold passes and then had to refund, same with Coney Island when they announced their respective closures. Entertrainment Junction was selling passes before it was announced this might be its last year, and they are still selling passes knowing this year may be the final year (those passes are good for 365 days after purchase instead of following a calendar year). Restaurants and stores sell gift cards and then go bankrupt. As a consumer it sucks, but they continue business as usual as long as they can because anything could happen to change the closure or whatever. And we joke, but a certain member here is correct that season passes are not guaranteeing you that any specific ride will be open. But at the same time, when your business model relies heavily on passes, the consumer bases their pass pre-purchase on historical and recent experiences. Eroding that by announcing a ride closure just before the season opens or cutting park hours after many passes were sold will turn some off and hold off until the last minute before purchasing. Enough people decide to wait until the following year and purchase right before they are ready to visit the park will drastically cut down on pass sales, not only the early pre-season sales, but even during the season. Many people that would have bought a pass in August and wait, then come June may decide to spend their money elsewhere.

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/517319/cedar-point-blocks-register/ Between one PR guy making an enemy out of the local paper and other making an enemy out of the guys who run the fan site and the 70k+ member season pass group, Ohio sure does have its fair share of winners!

After it was announced that Steel Curtain would stay closed all year, I saw claims that the park was careful to not use it in any of the 2024 advertising. Supposedly no one has even seen it in the background of a picture of something else. I went back and looked at marketing emails and could not find any that advertised Steel Curtain, but since those emails likely only contain a link to an image instead of embedding them, in theory the park could swap the images. If true, it would seem to suggest that they had a pretty good idea last year it would be closed.