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  1. 29 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    It's time! I've included one of DB splashdown as well above. It's a screenshot of the video. I'll upload it later to YT, and add the link here. Enjoy!
  2. 28 points
    gad198

    Decoding 2020

    All of the newer B&M hypers - those built after 2005, are all fantastic. The only B&M coaster I haven't ridden in North America is Goliath at La Ronde (long story!) so I can't comment on that one, but needless to say I have thoroughly enjoyed all of them. Fury, Mako, Diamondback, Goliath at SFOG, Behemoth and Leviathan are all in my top 10 overall coasters. If B&M is behind this project the ride will be incredibly fun regardless as to how long the ride ends up being. Fury 325 is a better ride than Leviathan. The only thing that a lot of people wished - myself included - is that Leviathan were a little longer. It just feels like Leviathan is way shorter than Fury 325. Out of curiosity I checked out POVs of each coaster from the start of the first drop to the final brakes, and there's an eight second difference in ride time between the two coasters (50 seconds for Leviathan vs. 58 seconds for Fury 325). Eight seconds! The first drops on either coaster are the among the best first drops on any coaster. Very few people will be complaining once this coaster opens. I would be shocked if this coaster does not have at least a 300' lift height. The visual aspect of having a huge lift hill is part of the draw of these coasters. You also have the marketing aspect to consider. The marketing people would prefer not to qualify that the coaster isn't 300' tall, but it does have a 300' drop. It's much easier to say that the coaster is over 300' tall. I would also be surprised if: the trains are anything other than straight 4-across and 32 seats total the total track length is less than Diamondback the ride uses any of the former SOB plot of land Kings Island isn't going to overthink this. They already got the hardest part right - making the decision to partner with B&M to do this project. They know that they only have one opportunity to build a coaster of this magnitude and they've had plenty of time to consider how to best leverage their available resources. One of the world's best coasters is coming to Kings Island. I really hope that everyone who has a chance to follow this project realizes how fortunate we are. Six Flags and Busch season pass holders have a nearly zero chance of ever seeing a project like this at any of their respective parks anytime soon. Are there going to be things about this project that some people will question or dislike? Sure. Just remember that the opportunity to follow along with a project of this magnitude at your home park will only come along a few times in your life. Make sure that you remember this time for all of the right reasons. One of the world's best coasters is coming to our park!
  3. 27 points
    scoriell

    Decoding 2020

  4. 26 points
    Gordon Bombay

    Decoding 2020

    Disappointment 285
  5. 25 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Got yalls update... Nothing new. I've included the pictures just so everyone can verify. Edit: I've added two more pictures.
  6. 24 points
    Sixflags82

    Decoding 2020

    Leaked giga logo
  7. 23 points
    DeltaFlyer

    Decoding 2020

    Ran this through Bluebeam. Scale is actually 1" = 40'-0". I did this by referencing the footing schedule which gave me the diameter of the piers. What is called out there as 36"Ø shows up on the plan as exactly 1'-6", meaning the scale was off. This means that the lift length is approximately 335' by my measurements. At a 45° lift angle, that means that the height would be around that same number. If anyone is interested in how I came to that conclusion I can post an image. And no, I am not an "Engineer Wannabe".
  8. 22 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    Here is the first up close look of the site.
  9. 22 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Budget giga Has no floors to save money Riders have to pedal to get up the lift hill only has seatbelts no trims bc they’re too expensive - wicked airtime ensues station is a giant tent
  10. 22 points
    BeastForever

    Decoding 2020

    From what I can tell by the overhead blueprints (which is to say, very little) the layout seems to be either a mix of Leviathan and Fury elements or something entirely different altogether. I can't really tell. It appears to have some type of helix, which is good (something Leviathan doesn't have but Fury does). The turnaround hopefully will be something more like the treble clef found on Fury rather than the generic hammerhead found on Leviathan and many B&M hypers. As for what happens besides that. I have no idea... My thoughts exactly. I for one am willing to reserve judgment until we know all the exact details via official announcement (or better yet, actually riding it), but understand the 'anticipointment' some are having with what looks (keyword looks, we won't know until we know) atm to be a half-done roller coaster. Tensions, uncertainties, anxieties for many have been running quite high the past couple of days (and will probably continue for a time being). But I get that. Yes, obviously there is virtue found in being grateful for whatever the park decides to grant its devoted fans, but we're human after all. So there is bound to be some who will express disappointment in what they perceive as not what they were hoping/expecting (whether these perceptions/assumptions are well-founded or not). But as you said, I also feel like there is something we're not seeing, something that can't be observed from the information we have available - whether it be an inventive turnaround, sideways airtime moments, tunnel(s), thematic elements etc. Something to make the world's seventh gigacoaster amazing and unique and some way. As for what I think? Well, lets just put it this way.... Come April 2020, once all the footings are poured, track and supports are assembled, and ALL this will have blown over, I have a hard time believing that we won't be absolutely amazed at what they created for us, look back on these tumultuous times and simply laugh at what we were all thinking. When all is said and done, and media day/opening day comes around, I just don't envision a forum filled with disappointed fans, saying they found the ride to be 'underwhelming' or 'meh'. It didn't happen with Banshee, it didn't happen with Mystic Timbers. I don't believe it will happen this time around either...
  11. 22 points
    KI_FAN_4_LIFE

    Decoding 2020

    Nerd #1 "I have done all of my calculations on all of my super computers and have come up with a drop of around 355ft" ... other nerds nod in agreement Nerd#2 "I have done all of my calculations with all of of my technology and I come up with a drop a little over 300ft" .... other nerds nod in agreement Some of you nerds are wrong and it is torture for the rest of us. Someone please figure out witch nerd group is right so we can either buy our giga shirts, hats and glasses, or go straight to the hardware store to the pitchfork section!
  12. 22 points
    Bansheeback

    Decoding 2020

    More to come. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. 21 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    Construction next to The Racer!
  14. 21 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Here’s your lift hill footers. This is a a giga. No doubt in my mind. lift hill run appears to be roughly 450-500 feet long ish. Hard to say without a ruler. I did some basic math based on Fury’s lift hill angle and it looks like based on that we could be looking at 350-380 feet high. We’re getting a record breaker boys.
  15. 21 points
    supertrooper

    Decoding 2020

    I feel like the area that has been cleared is already big enough for a pretty good giga.
  16. 21 points
    BeastForever

    Decoding 2020

    This has been perhaps the most tired and flimsy narrative relating to this topic (what the guy from reddit said). It has resurfaced time and time again, on this site, on others, in YouTube comments sections etc. But to me it just doesn't hold up. Let me explain... Yes, while it is true that CW and Carowinds are growing at faster rates than KI, this should not be conflated with "they have surpassed" or even met up with KI in terms of Cedar Fair's hierarchy. As you pointed out, KI already has remarkable attendance as it is, more than enough attendance to justify a giga. For the record, as of 2016, KI alone makes up 14% of CF's revenue, CW's share was 10%, and Carowinds 7-8%. In other words, even with CW and Carowinds expanding, they've still got some catching up to do before they can even get to KI's level . Remember, Cedar Fair WANTED Kings Island more than any other park. IIRC Paramount used this as leverage to rid themselves of the chain wholesale in 2006, forcing Cedar Fair to buy all five of the parks. I wouldn't be surpirsed if they'd have bought some of the others anyway, but it was paramount (pun not intended) that they acquire KI. In fact, Cedar Fair even tried to purchase Kings Island as early as 2000. Reportedly, it fell through because of a $40 million dollar tax liability that would have been contigent upon the sale (Source). Kinzel himself described it as "his favorite park outside the Cedar Fair system". --- Ok, and now on to the wing coaster theory.... So first off, there's the fact that the land clearing at this point has become way too big for what a conventional wing would take up. And then there's Mike Koontz specifically saying he's requested a giga at Coasterstock 2018. (For those of you wondering where exactly he said this: https://youtu.be/I3BxfbjxMgc?t=1304) AND there's the simple fact that a wing coaster from the general public's perspective would not be all that different from Banshee (large, graceful inversions, vest restraints). The same could be said for a giga to an extent, but CF has proven with Fury and Leviathan that they're OK with having a B&M hyper and giga coexist in the same park. -- But even if that's not enough... Depending on how you look at it, wing coasters actually are much worse value than a 6000ft + giga would be, particularly if we're going by $ divided by track length (I know, odd metric - but it explains my point). GateKeeper: $25 million / 4,164 ft = $6003.84 per foot of track Fury: $30 million / 6,602 ft = $4544.07 per foot of track My thoughts exactly. If KI doesn't warrant significant investment into a new thrill ride (as some are claiming), then why in the world would they be building any coaster at all? We know its a B&M, and almost any B&M these days is bound to be well over $20 million (sans Dive and maybe floorless), so they might as well go the extra mile for something that will have much longer-lasting value than a wing coaster. Wings are partially reliant on novelty IMO - novelty which diminishes... Its the giant sit-down coasters found in hypers and gigas that stand the test of time. Going off of what was mentioned above about Millie. Its in its 20th year of operation, and its still by many accounts the signature attraction of Cedar Point (I know a decent amount of GP who still prefer it over SV).
  17. 20 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    We are on a Racer CoasterStock tour. This valley is a lot deeper than what it looks like in the tower pictures and even in these pictures.
  18. 20 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Okay, big post incoming. I want to rehash some things and retrace some steps so bear with me. Feels like we need a recap to reorient ourselves. I talked with my brother about all this after sending him the link to this thread and I'm sort of leaning toward this not being a giga at all. He is not a coaster nut like any of us, but he has worked in project management for a few years and sees many blueprints that look like our coaster prints we have on hand, so he knows a thing or two. And for the record, he has combed through this thread, and as a project management professional, all the inconsistencies we've found are bugging the hell out of him as well. The first thing that confuses me about all this is the lift hill height we first discussed when the blueprints dropped. We had some discussion on whether or not the scale at the bottom of the image is correct. At first I was willing to believe that the scale is incorrect, but that makes almost zero sense the more that I think about it. That would be a wild clerical error to make for plans like this. I'm inclined to believe that they would definitely not be wrong for a project of this scale – I cannot imagine the wrench that would throw in the gears for construction. BUT, just for a second, let's assume something is off about the scale. Fine. Based on the specs of the footers on the other pages, if you scale the lift hill blueprint appropriately, here's what you end up with: Since we know the backbone footer has the actual backbone itself at 40 degrees, this can't be anywhere close to 300 feet. Backbone image for reference: However, I did say that I can't bring myself to believe that the scale on the lift hill image is incorrect. I find it very difficult to believe that the official plans filed with the city would have an error like that. So, let's backtrack a bit. Let's accept for a second that the scale is correct, and that the scale of the footers is incorrect for the simplicity of the lift hill blueprint. If we're working on the assumption that the scale is correct, then most of you were right the first time around, and that means the lift hill run is even smaller on the horizontal plane - somewhere a little over 200 feet. At 40 degrees for the backbone, that's even smaller and it probably doesn't even breach 200 feet. I hesitate to bring the leaked layout into this due to its dubious source, but if you consider the length of the layout, this also suggests a ride that is decidedly not a giga. This gives us a couple reasons to point toward this ride not being a giga: If we accept the scale on the blueprints to be correct, this lift hill is NOT close to 300 feet. The layout length appears to be super short, as many of you have expressed concern about. This would be a super short giga. However, there are a couple darning things about all of this that seem to be a smoking gun for a giga. The first thing that immediately stuck out to me is the support structure. Particularly L16x set of supports, meaning L16D, and L16R, L16L: That pattern is quite literally, this: The supports I mentioned seem to directly match the backbone on the drop, and the two white supports directly behind it. The other supports on the entire blueprint seem to match closely too. No other coaster model (to my knowledge) other than a B&M Giga uses this support layout. This seems to be irrefutable evidence that what's on the drawings is a giga, if it weren't for the scale on the image. Another thing to point out, is that the leaked layout has zero inversions on it. Layouts don't show track banking, but you'd definitely know where an inversion was. You'd see a slight wobble where a heartline roll would be, a vague immelmann shape, a sharp Z shape that a loop makes when viewed from above, etc. That also points toward a giga, since it rules out a wing or a dive coaster. So, to recap We have a couple reasons to believe this is a giga: The support pattern on the blueprints is strikingly similar to that of Fury and Leviathan. The layout has no inversions. Given the bases I've covered here, this brings up a question in my mind that has been asked here a few times. What the hell is this thing??? Could we be looking at a brand new ride type we've never seen from B&M? I mean, we're due for one right? When was the last time we saw a new model from B&M? The first US dive machine was SheiKra in 2005, and the first US wing coaster was Wild Eagle in 2012. Are we due for a new model? Assuming we're accepting that the layout is real, this would explain a lot of the pieces we can't seem to fit together. If we accept that the layout is a fake (somehow) then this kinda points toward a dive machine or a wing, and they're using the giga support structure on a dive machine for the first time. Basically, I'm not sure I can believe that the blueprints we got are wrong in any respect, and that means no giga. The only way out of this is if these are decoy blueprints, which seems... super unlikely to me, unless KI has mounted an unprecedented disinformation campaign to hide whatever gigantic project they're working on. I don't even know if you can submit bogus blueprints to the city. I'd guess not. I do find it somewhat odd that a member on this forum (I can't remember who) had seen the prints from a friend and hadn't posted them, and I am interested to know who this friend was and how they stumbled upon the blueprints and/or knew to go request them from the city. It does feel weird to me. I'll take this chance to reuse this gif: As an aside, I wonder what the person who leaked the blueprints is thinking as they follow this thread. They are either laughing hysterically at us, or sweating profusely. Ok, over and out, gonna take my tinfoil hat off for a bit and let you guys hash this one out. EDIT: I forgot about the person who literally input coordinates into solidworks from the blueprints, it's a giga, ignore my conspiracy theories.
  19. 20 points
    ohiocoasterfan

    Decoding 2020

  20. 19 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    I fully expect the Kings Island Giga to be one of the best coasters in the world. In its present form, per the leaked layout and footer drawings, I make the following prediction: Height: 305 ft Drop: 310 ft Max Speed: 94 mph Length: 5,250 ft This coaster will be shorter in duration and length then Fury, however there’s no way one can say it’s not in the same category. This coaster will be forceful (for a B&M) and will be relentless. All of B&M’s highlight elements will be in it. I expect a reverse treble clef and an ampersand along with ejector and floater hills. Again, just because it’s shorter, doesn’t mean it’s not as good as Fury. In fact many complain about the pacing of Fury and that the helix is almost pointless. For this coaster, pacing won’t be an issue. After 45-50 seconds of ride time (drop to break) this new coaster will leave you out of breath, wondering what the he** just happened. Don’t be discouraged y’all! Kings Island is going to get one of the best coasters in the world. No it may not be the 7000 ft long 350 ft tall “beast unleashed” y’all were hoping for, however this coaster will still be a wonderful attraction and the parks best coaster for years to come! #fiveIsALIVE #Polaris305
  21. 19 points
    ldhudsonjr

    Decoding 2020

    @sixohdieselrage Also, my wife finds it endlessly entertaining that this thread has a spy plane and pours over the reconnaissance photos. haha
  22. 18 points
  23. 18 points
    thekidd33

    Decoding 2020

    Never trust the opinion of anyone who enjoys Invertigo.
  24. 18 points
    coasterfanatic83

    Decoding 2020

    After reading for the last week, I have come to the conclusion that we are too caught-up in the numbers. Height, potential speed, drop, length, etc... Guys, it is Kings Island. Cedar Fair. B&M. And a massive land clearing. This will be a phenomenal ride. Mystic Timber's numbers are not good at all. The layout looked boring. We all had reservations. And now it is the best ride in the park. Chill out on the details (that haven't even been confirmed by the park). KI/CF/B&M know what they are doing.
  25. 18 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    This thread:
  26. 18 points
    stashua123

    Decoding 2020

    The sense of entitlement I am reading in this thread has driven me to post. We are incredibly lucky to be possibly getting such a great addition to the park. And those who seem bothered over what may or may not be true (those footings prints look pretty real but I have my questions about the full ride layout) just dont seem to be seeing the bigger picture. Kings Island has the perfect market to draw from. A loyal base of guests and passholders any other park in north america would dream of. Since 2007 we have consistently gotten major investment. Yes Cedar Point and carowinds may have gotten larger investments. But I don't think since before the days of paramount our park atmosphere has ever felt so complete and inviting. This year the small things... racer going trimless... the glockenspiel... the soon to be completed fountains. It all looks amazing. City population doesnt matter. Cincinnati is within a days drive to half the country's population. Why else did Amazon choose cvg as their cargo hub for prime air? I could agree with the outdoing cp sentiments if this was dick kinzel era Cedar Fair. Absolutely disagree at the moment. Mystic Timbers was a perfect addition. Banshee as well. Diamondback was amazing. All of these were perfect for our park already full of amazing rollercoasters. The terrain this coaster may take advantage of will allow for many great things in my opinion. I think we need to wait and see. It's only may. Many rides on paper dont look exciting but turn out to be blockbusters (maverick) In comparison to other former paramount parks, other than carowinds I must say we have been sweetened with major investment. When did kings dominion last get a new coaster from the ground up? 2010. Michigan's adventure? 2004(??) Believe me. We are not getting the short hand of the stick. 3 new coasters in a decade. Put things in perspective. Enjoy this season. The new changes. The little ones. Finding out what's coming. Wait and see..... And be grateful despite it possibly not being what was expected that we are getting an amazing addition. *leaves soapbox*
  27. 18 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    I'll repeat what I have said in many different formats, and I truly mean it... I've been a fan/attendee of KI for a long long time... well over 35 years... and I sampled the park under every form of ownership in those years. I can say, for certain, Cedar Fair is doing a tremendous job with the park. They have restored a flair/vibe to the park that was all but obscured for years. (That includes all facets of the customer facing side of the business.) Those making the obviously informed decisions are to be commended.
  28. 18 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    After driving home and thinking about the entire situation.. I have decided to delete the screenshots.. I do not want this coaster to be leaked because of me... I do apologize to anyone who was wanting to look at the screenshot without posting it elsewhere. I feel as if this is what is best for Kings Island Central and everyone else involved in this amazing community. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  29. 18 points
    Waltny

    Decoding 2020

    Hard to trust anything in this high stakes game of espionage and betrayal... Enjoy this for a laugh
  30. 18 points
    JAHill

    International street makeover

    Me visiting this thread in search of wholesome discussion of the new changes to I-Street.
  31. 17 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    Thanks for wondering. This thread has consumed a lot of my time. Go eat dinner and then have to read through 4 to 5 more pages. It has been stressful at times. Overall, thanks for keeping things civil and respectful with each others opinions.
  32. 17 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    I have a statement I would like to make... I like rollercoasters no matter the stats.. who's with me? Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  33. 17 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    As said before... I'll stick to getting the aerial pictures.
  34. 17 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    I just got out of a plane. Who wants to see some pictures?
  35. 17 points
    gagyj

    Decoding 2020

    I went ahead and did some overlays of other Cedar Fair giga's to compare sizes and to show how big the land clearing is. These were all taken at roughly the same altitude from Google Earth (~1,499m - give or take 2m). I did rotate and/or flip some of the giga's just to make them align better with the area. Giga's I've included: Fury 325 Intimidator 305 Leviathan Millenium Force
  36. 16 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    My guess is, there's a need to raise the floor above grade.
  37. 16 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    The footer forms in the picture posted earlier presumably have nothing to do with the massive (and it IS massive) clearing on the other side of X Base. I too saw both areas today - I was on the tours - and I can assure you that area they have cleared is way bigger in person. Photos dont do it justice. Whatever is planned for the area looks to be a very large project. It will be exciting when KI officially decides to reveal what they have up their sleeves. On a separate note - KI is to be congratulated on pulling off a tremendously fun event - and thanked for allowing us those tours so we can be nosy and take pictures of The areas in question.
  38. 16 points
    Hawaiian Coasters 325

    Decoding 2020

    Credit to Buckeye Coasters on Instagram. It also looks like footer molds are on site as well.
  39. 16 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    This is some stats from a No Limits Concept I did based on the possible layout. It’s actuslly pretty fun if you ask me! Better then Leviathan if this is the case!
  40. 16 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

    All of a sudden everyone on this forum became astrologists
  41. 16 points
    presto123

    Decoding 2020

    What kind of world do we live in when the POTUS can misspell almost daily, but heaven forbid if a 14 year old coaster enthusiast does it.
  42. 16 points
    XBeastGirlX

    Decoding 2020

    Drove through this town on my way to Cedar Point. You think Cedar Fair planted it there as a teaser?
  43. 16 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

    I agree, it would be hard to sell a coaster that's, say 280ft, as opposed to one that's 300ft+. I think the biggest defining factors of this ride are gonna be the heighth and the length. If the heighth doesn't exceed 300ft people will feel some sort of way. Actually, I think the length is the more important factor. Track length is one of the few things KI prides itself on, heck we break records with length, so if this new attraction isn't longer than Diamondback I can underatand people's negative criticisms and quickness to judge. The bar has been set so high with coasters like Banshee, Fury 325, Yukon Striker, etc that its hard to accept when a high CF teir park goes under the usual bar. Then again, I think we as enthusiasts need a little bit of hindsight when looking at new additons. Our perspectives might be completely different than that of the average GP guest who's never ridden a 300ft tall coaster before. A giga at KI has been hyped since the addition of Leviathan in 2012. Heck the idea of a giga at KI has been mainstreamed so much in the amusement community that we've had 100+ page threads about it, dozens of Nolimits2 concepts, and countless microsoft paint concepts. Some concepts seen online are beautiful but seem a bit much, especially for a park like KI. I think with 8 years of hype, people are bound to be disappointed in some form or another. I think one KIC member coined the phrase "anticipointment" after the contents of the Mystic Timbers shed were revealed and you can argue many of us are feeling the same way after seeing the leaked blueprints. We finally got a touch reality after letting our imaginations get too far ahead of ourselves. I say its still early in the season and we should be happy we're even talking about a coaster addition in the 1st place.
  44. 16 points
    kirbias1

    Decoding 2020

    Ok guys, I'm going to vent a little because I love KI and care enough to take time to read and write some of these posts like the rest of you, so...... If all of this evidence is true, it confirms what I have been saying all along: Cedar Fair DOES NOT want Kings Island to have "wow-worthy" record breaking attractions! This would diminish what CF has been doing with big brothers up north AND down South. Case in CPoint-They had a chance to break all of the records with Banshee, which was the first inverted coaster installed in the US in almost 10 years, but still chose not to. They could've easily spent a little extra money to pull out all of the stops and build something they could really market as a world record breaker in ALL categories. Yes, I know it is "the longest" invert, but nobody really cares about that, especially when the only reason it's probably "the longest" is because of it's super long break run! Also, notice how they made sure it was still 3 feet less in height than GateKeeper, which is a similar ride ( same restraints, feet dangle, etc) that opened the season before Banshee at CP. They didn't want to steal any of GateKeeper's thunder so to speak. Notice how Mystic Timbers was underwhelming compared to Steel Vengeance opening a year after at Cedar Point. Diamondback is a great ride, but Cedar Fair still made sure that Intimidator at Carowinds was 2 feet taller when it opened a year after DB. They had a chance to break Fury's record and yet what does it look like they've done.....build a coaster that may not even be as good as Leviathan. Don't get me wrong, I like Leviathan, but I just thought there was so much more potential here to improve on it and Fury as well for that matter, especially with all of the land KI has at it's disposal. I know this doesn't sound like much, but it does add up to one conclusion- Cedar Fair has a game-plan, and that game-plan is to build the higher, faster coasters at CP and Carowinds because that's where they think it will get the most return on their investment. I do think CF is missing out on an opportunity here, though. KI has a similar potential as Carowinds IMO. They just need something they can market to get people here from afar, similar to what Vortex did when opening as the world's highest coaster with the most inversions in the world. It helped KI reach 3 million plus visitors for the first time ever with those lofty records! Although i'm sure they will still try to use their marketing magic with this new seemingly lacking "discount giga" by somehow using another Jedi marketing mind trick like they did with The Shed trying to get people to the park. I'm sure it will work to an extent with the non-coaster nerds (unlike us), but word of mouth is still the most powerful form of marketing, and i'm sure when most of the people are underwhelmed by riding this, the word will spread that KI built yet another good, but not great attraction, compared to CP and Carowinds. With all of this being said, I.hope.I'm.wrong!
  45. 16 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    Wake me up when KI sets the OFFICIAL announcement date. :-)
  46. 16 points
    silver2005

    Decoding 2020

    So, you guys thought you actually found permits. I have a feeling we could be bringing up this meme quite a bit this summer.
  47. 16 points
    JAHill

    Decoding 2020

    Here's what will happen: "Of course you're all looking forward to what next year has in store here at Kings Island, but right now we're focused on this season, and we're just really happy that guests are enjoying the improvements we've seen so far. With the addition of the all-new Kings Mills Antique Autos, as well as a fresh new look for International Street, we're just happy to have brought back some things for guests who have been visiting since day one, and there's even more fun to come for the remainder of the season including the all-new Grand Carnivale! Next question, please."
  48. 16 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    According to coaster kings on Facebook it looks like Cedar Fair has trademarked the names Polaris and Orion.. if it's going to sit in X-Base these names could fit extremely well Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  49. 16 points
    fryoj

    Decoding 2020

    It's where YungStud is going to hide the Green Intamin track.
  50. 15 points
    supertrooper

    Decoding 2020

    A wing with no inversions would be pretty pointless.
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