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Read more here: https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2019/01/30/exclusive-dayton-manufacturer-launches-new.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo&fbclid=IwAR23gSkdvJ6lK6zHKxbNeRCrA5ZJSAmooHs6Hf218xPpSmQn_Fo6mcQHrmk It looks like keeping rides with hard to get parts is a priority for CF. This makes me happy!

Okay but the fact that we're discussing a deer-themed coaster is like "r/Whoosh" material.

Retheme Mystic Timbers. Sell beer in the queue. Put the ride ops in flannel and Orange vests. Mount deer on the hoods of the front train cars.

Keep in mind: any claims have to be sourced per the TOS. Any "I heard this or I heard that," has to be sourced or it will be removed. TOS: Any information posted claiming to be from an inside source or claiming to be confirmed, when not being released from Kings Island or Cedar Fair, must be posted along with the name of the source. Failure to do so is a violation of an individual user's terms of service.

Cedar Fair may be signaling a new direction in management of ride assets. With a quick turn around parts supplier Cedar Fair will be able to reduce operating costs of repairs, ride life extension, and possibly even ride refreshments and renovations. The reduction in ride downtime can have several benefits including enhanced guest experiences, more effective installed capital productivity, purchasing and pricing leverage over traditional suppliers, and leveling of park staffing costs. Recall some years ago Cedar Fair embarked upon a world wide effort to locate legacy flat rides which were rebuilt, repaired, and renewed by outside vendors and companies, then installed in several parks. Those rides were more in the category of flat rides if memory serves me correctly. This development could lead to Cedar Fair being able to bring this capacity more in-house and in cooperation with a local vendor. Cedar Fair has been oversubscribing the marketable capital expenditures in the last few years. Rather than the 10 percent of revenue goal, Cedar Fair has been clocking in about 40-50 percent higher at the 14+ percentage of revenue cap ex reinvestment. At some point those costs must be brought into alignment with market guidance. This may be an effort to reduce the costs associated with attraction operation and a trimming of capital expenditures down to the expected and projected ten percent range. Cedar Fair, under the modern management era, has learned many valuable lessons. When Cedar Point removed two legacy rides to make way for the iconic, energizing, and defining GateKeeper roller coaster, the reduction in maintenance costs associated with the discontinued rides produced adequate enough savings to pay for the installation and operations of GateKeeper. Thus GateKeeper actually reduced operating costs. Thinking along these lines I rather suspect management expects significant gains going forward. The article reports Bitec/Simple Machining Inc plans to invest approximately $5 million in the next four years in the venture. That suggests a large volume of parts are expected to be ordered and manufactured in the near future. Assuming a very conservative ratio of $5.00 in orders for each dollar invested in plant and equipment that places a revenue value of $20 million in parts. This strategy also allows Cedar Fair to hedge against disruptions to the parts supply chain by circumstances such as embargoes, punishing trade tariffs, or demands by competitors which might temporarily restrict availability of parts from overseas. Given the lack of progress in trade agreements with Asian countries such a move seems very wise.

If you combine Arrow with S&S, they do have a lot of rides at the parks. KI has three arrow coasters, Cedar Point has five arrow coasters. Add in S&S, and you can get a lot of rides, but I don`t know if all those would add up to 160. Seems like a high number. It could be something like polyurethane wheel supplier, which could apply to not just S&S Sansei/Arrow, but could extend to Intamin, Premier Rides, and RMC. That might get closer to the 160 amount. As Brad indicated, if the chain can get reliable parts cheaper, that do not jeopardize the safety of the ride, then it is a win win situation.

Yes, it should be 365ft tall. And be named -- 24 Seven 365-- 24 air time events, breaks 7 coaster records, and is 365ft tall. Also is open all day every day

^That doesn't mean they're buddy buds with CF yet.

I mean seriously @Hawaiian Coasters 325 a coaster themed after a deer. Its only time till its either hit by a car or hunted down.

I don't think it really matters too much. If the coaster is deer themed, it would be different from Mystic Timbers theming. I honestly think an RMC topper track woodie themed to deer should be the next coaster after the giga. But that's just me.

Oh the things you read on KICentral.

Oh deer!

For example: "I heard that the TOS was mentioned" is not allowed. "@IndyGuy4KI mentioned the TOS" is allowed.

My guess would be Huss.

Its the Cala-Coaster! ** I know its an E not an A bit doesn't look right lol*

The codename they could use till it is announced is "The calender" Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

It’s complicated because both companies are owned by Sansei Technologies based in Japan. But realistically it’s S&S which I would call the headquarters in Utah domestic.

I hope if they get a giga it breaks 325 record. I mean why not?

If you do purchase online, I believe you can opt to pay monthly for the pass with no additional cost after the initial processing fee. So the earlier you purchase and choose this option, the less the monthly cost is is as it is spread over more months.

I can't remember if this has been answered before, but does KI have a mandated height limit? I'm not talking about speculation or should/shouldn't be. I mean a definitive know there is/isn't with sourcing.

Is it bad of me to wish that POV was video of it happening? haha

Yep... deer will be laying in it...

^ I get the same feeling when I see skunks strolling anywhere in the park.

Occasionally seeing deer near the tracks on The Beast always freeks me out.

Which were likely related to the Kings Mills Antique Autos construction.

Until it is...

You have no idea...

Hopefully that “big box” will become a new ride one of these days.

Because the big box sitting in Rivertown looks so much prettier

I think this is one of the reasons why Nighthawk would be staying- it was the first. Which I why I hope to ride it someday

Dual stations like Firehawk are a double edged sword. They increase capacity but they also cost more to maintain and operate due to requiring more employees. I am a fan of flying coasters and while I never thought Firehawk was a great layout, I will miss it. Here is to either KI or CP getting a new Vekoma or B&M flyer. The world could use more rides like Tatsu, Manta, and Flying Dinosaur.

Yup, corkerscrews instead of our in line twists and helix. So our ride is a bit longer than Nighthawk. Firehawk also has dual stations while Nighthawk does not. Also ironic that the prototype/ older model is staying while Firehawk is leaving.

NIghthawk also doesn't have the final helix. Otherwise, they're pretty similar up to the rolling elements.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, the only difference between Firehawk and Stealth is that they have corkscrews at the end rather than the barrel rolls that we have.

Thanks for the reply. Later, Mark

Same layout, modified from the original Stealth layout.

Question--- Is the Firehawk layout the same as it was when it was X-Flight or has it been altered to fit it's current location? Were there any elements like turns, twists, hills, inversions, heights etc... added(probably not) or removed or altered to make it work where it is now? I'm not talking about raising or lowering footers or supports so it will fit in the different terrain elevation changes. Thanks in advance for the info, Mark

The problem comes twofold: the first was having five seasonal amusement parks under their belt that each received attractions every operating year, meaning that capital expenditures had to be dispersed almost evenly amongst the former Paramount Parks (most major installations never seemed to exceed north of $20 million, at least I don't think they did). The second, and slightly more important issue, fell on maintenance. More specifically, special effects and thematic maintenance. It's an issue that plagues even Disney and Universal (see Disco Yeti and the Jurassic Park rides) with funds being needed to maintain what elements a particular attraction has. Think Firehawk was a maintenance nightmare? I remember the first year and a half of Stunt Track having its ride crew spending more time out of the station and by the queue entrance spieling to guests that the ride is down because of all the "technological features" the ride had (most of which were also subsequently removed within two months of its opening). And let's not forget the simplistic nature of Boo Blaster's ride mechanics and interactivity that still isn't working at a satisfactory level. ...we did technically get some level of stunt shows in the Paramount Parks. One was themed to Tomb Raider that traveled from Park to Park in 2003 (I think), and another was essentially a stripped down version of the proposed Mission Impossible stunt show in 2006 that traveled from Canada's Wonderland to...Canada's Wonderland.

Having been to Vegas and been on both Star Trek simulators I always wished for that kind of attraction. I have no idea how much they cost to build but the entire experience from a walk through attraction with an incredible attention to detail with live actors followed by a simulator was one of the best ride experiences I have ever had. The problem is that I doubt it was in the parks budget.

Interesting. If it would have came and went in the KC location, We wouldn't have Banshee. Or at least not in it's current form. And as a somewhat confirmation of the story: It's almost like Firehawk was designed for that spot... because it was. The one time Google having the old SOB imagery up being beneficial. lol