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I bet you are a ton of fun at parties

Hell, in the past two days it's gone downhill.

as awesome as i think an RMC beast would be i think i would rather GCI come in re track the entire ride, remove the trims and adjust the track and support as needed to accommodate the extra speed. adding airtime hills during the long straight sections and putting millennium flyer trains on the ride. Thats the kind of facelift i could get behind

@thatguyfromohioIf you saw it from the air, you would change your mind. The clearing takes up roughly the same space as from the front gate, to the Jukebox Diner.

Thread Police are more annoying than the people they are calling out. Everybody is excited about this coaster. Comments veering slightly off center make this thread interesting. Especially since there is only so much to work with as far as "decoding" right now. If it's even slightly relevant, I want to hear it. Love the comedy posts in this thread as well. Many of us can use it:)

Every other decoding thread has veered off topic from time to time. Sometimes people's individual logical progression and frame of reference will have that happen. It's just how discussions happen. It also tends to lead to some occasional shennanigas, which are the parts of decoding threads I like.

Hi y’all I’ve been mulling over these plans for a while! And I’ve come up with some unofficial predictions. I think this will be the steepest B&M Hyper / Giga Ever. 84 degree drop. This will enable a height of 305 ft and I expect the drop to be 323 ft. (Polaris being 323 light years away) ... More predictions and maybe a few No Limits renders to come. Credibility: Transmission Line Construction Engineer, Graphic Designer, Enthusiast, No Limits Nut

The Bat must stay forever!! its such a gem!

No real changes, just more annoying preteen boys around the park than usual. , physically looking, the clearing is very tiny, especially comparing it to Diamondback lift hill, looks like Diamondbacks hill would take up 1/3 of the land clearing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So going by your guys' logic, how did Diamondback and Banshee get to be bigger than Magnum and Raptor?

Instead of Orion or Polaris how about Shooting Star? That would be a great throwback especially since it's in the Coney Mall section. Imagine a modern version of this signage with an LED shooting star!

People are getting a little too worked up about this. I understand where everyone is coming from, but at the end of the day it's just a rollercoaster. It will be fun. It will be new. It will be big. It won't be "just like Diamondback". Don't get too worked up, because everyone is overthinking this 1000%. EDIT: But I love the debate just don't get too frazzled

My face every time I open my phone to KIC on this thread.

Right now, I don't have the concept of where it reuses the SOB station saved on this computer, but I have this alternate version that uses the land currently occupied by Invertigo/Congo Falls. I'll post the concept I had for the SOB station later if you guys want to see it.

Could you imagine Beast as an RMC? MY GOD, that would be insane... I know the traditionalists and the nostalgic folks would be up in arms, but you can't ignore how awesome it could be. It would be like Outlaw Run on steroids.

Exactly, does 70ft taller than Diamondback and a shorter length really make it that great of an uprgrade? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This just does not make much sense to me. Carowinds is 7-8 hours away and situated in an almost entirely different market. How much overlap could there possibly be? How far away do parks have to be to avoid these so-called "proximity" issues? A record-breaking B&M giga would perhaps carry as much notoriety as a record-breaking RMC in Steel Vengeance, but they would offer entirely different experiences... The difference between Intimidator and DB in height and length is negligible. Honestly, I find it a bit laughable to use that as an example of them "going bigger". Intimidator is 2 ft taller and only 34 ft longer. Do you consider that as "one-upping"? At the same time, DB has a 4 ft bigger drop, with a top speed of 80 mph, whereas Intimidator tops out at 75 mph. So if anything, it could be argued DB has the edge overall. Not to mention it consistently outranks Intimidator in a number of different polls/rating systems (and NOT just the Golden Tickets) : 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 So a giga just wasn't in the cards that year? After all, Carowinds already had a full-circuit, full-scale invert in Afterburn. KI was checking off a box that virtually every other major thrill park in the world had in some form. And KI was coming off a $24 million coaster in 2014. So a relatively inexpensive GCI obviously would have made more sense. CP was coming off a dive coaster from 2016, which while we don't know the exact cost, are generally are among the most inexpensive B&M models. (Griffon was $15.6 million, Sheikra $13.5 million). I'm not denying that CP warrants more investment than KI, but I think the instances you're pointing out are largely just products of the rotation/timeline. ---- KI, as we know right now is getting what is probably $25-30 million coaster for 2020. Meanwhile, all Cedar Point is likely to get in 2020 is some retro stuff/odes to the past. Nothing extravagant. But the answer to as to why that is is simple: The timeline...

So International Street, has anyone posted about the ongoing updates week to week? These new details on the Spanish building (sweet spot) just showed up last weekend. The new hand painted signage looks amazing, great job KI. Looks like the old sign that use to be in that location.

The more I look at that layout the more I think that this was for the company that is building the station... they just inserted a basic layout to not give anything away that's my best guess and what I am hoping is the case Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

im still in the camp of "the leaked layout is fake" that being said im still team giga

The GP aren't gonna miss Firehawk like they do with SOB and X-Base is still an out of the way location enough to not be as visible as the Banshee and MT projects unless they go on rides, which, the GP aren't actively looking for construction stuff like we are.

Firehawk's removal says Hi.

You know, all this talk of a giga is exciting but I'm still hung up on the things they put under SoB's gravestone last year. I can accept that the "Five Is Alive" flyer was just a nerdy designer's nod to an old ride, but the whole grave thing still sits weird with me. Why did they put a pile of wood and some tools next to a Son of Beast thing and then turn around and build, well, not Son of Beast? Unless the super generic Polaris and Orion names are super tricky four-dimensional chess red herrings and they'll revive SoB in name only. I guess I could see a record-setting cutting edge giga being the son of a record-setting cutting edge woodie. A logical evolution.

I think the argument many fans have is "if its smaller or around the same length as Diamondback then what's the point?" I don't think its about being better than others but rather improving on what we already have.

I am fine if itsn't taller than Fury. I would be pretty upset if it isn't longer than Diamondback.

Depends on who you ask really, but most hardcore enthusiasts put it at 3rd or 4th due to the ride being "too short" (Fury is 10 seconds longer for 1000+ ft of track) or "not intense like Intamin". I personally put it #2 behind Fury, but the first half of Leviathan is much better and more forceful. This leak, if true, looks a tad shorter than Leviathan length-wise but it always comes down to the elements. It also looks like a mix of Leviathan and Shambala, so I expect to see a speed hill and large hill after the first turn around or a high banked turn into speed hill and then large hill. Hopefully, it's not too similar to Diamondback though, that would be my concern, but like the two B&M Giga's built, expect 3-4 airtime moments (not counting the drop). Fury has the 3 camelback hills and airtime on the treble clef, Leviathan has 2 large airtime hills and that ejector airtime speed hill while going at 80mph, and you get a pop of air before the breaks. So for this, I'm expecting a speed hill at about 70mph-ish, 1 large camelback, treble clef and pop of air before the breaks.

Meh-Giga. It’s a new style in their catalog, we’ll be the first to get one. Yay.

Updating my CAD for the last time. To recap, pulling data from the column coordinates (from blueprints) gives us a horizontal distance between the main lift footings of 453'. Also, the lift angle is 40deg (from blueprints). If the blueprints are accurate (and I'm betting they are), then these numbers are accurate. The 453' came directly from the CAD X/Y/Z coordinates...no chance of trig typos here. Pulling from Google maps, I'm estimating a horizontal distance between Fury's main lift footings to be 528'. There's certainly some room for error here, but I feel that any error is negligible given that I'm only using an image of Fury for reference. Using this 528' distance, I dropped in a full height image of Fury's lift and scaled it so that the crest is right at 325' in my CAD. Of course the image is not a true straight-on image (perpendicular) of Fury's lift, but for reference, I think this is good enough. This image will be used to provide a reference for what KI's coaster's crest will look like. Also from the blueprints, there is a silhouette of the lift's support columns. Focusing on the last one of the drop can give me an estimate on what the drop angle will be. I dropped in the below image into my CAD and drew sketch lines over the support silhouette lines, as well as an array of possible drop angles, in 1deg increments) between 81deg (Fury's drop) to 90deg (for the dreamers out there). lift overhead3 silhouette.bmp From here, I lined my array of angles to match the silhouette sketches. Given that this particular support is likely on the straight portion of the drop's backbone (based on Levi and Fury), I can rule out a few of these angles. Sorry boys/girls, but the 90deg just doesn't even make it, and 89-86deg is too far fetched to line up even close to where the drop could be. At 85deg, we start getting close, but I think even 85deg is still pushing it, based on where the footings are located and mimicking Fury's crest. At around 83-84deg though, I think we're getting close to the realm of possibilities. And anything less (82-81) will just give us a shorter lift height. In my sketch below, you'll see 3 horizontal lines near the top. One's at 325', for Fury's reference. The middle is right at 300', and the lower one is at 285'. Even at the 83-84deg drop estimate, and mimicking Fury's crest the best I can, that still puts us between the 285-300' range. If B&M really tightens up the crest curvature (compared to Fury), then I think they could hit maybe 305' no problem, but I don't see it going higher than that (again, based on where the footings are, lift angle, and being similar to Fury's crest). KI drop.bmp Of course, I don't want this "shorter" height to be true, but the blueprint numbers just don't give us the height that Fury has. Now, if B&M does something new with the backbone design, then all bets are off the table. Also, this is only analyzing the lift height, not drop height. There are talks of ravines, and tunnels, and whatever else, and those could potentially give us a pretty good drop height, but they won't affect lift height.

Better yet, why not wait another 2 years and save even more money and make something massive for the park’s 50th.

Agreed!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

"stupidest things that the enthusiast community ever produced" ? Wow! It seems like you are getting very emotional about this. I am stating my opinion from actual stats of rides. I see nothing to back your argument that deals with facts. Also, I think you're still missing the point. I'm not upset we are possibly getting a giga, i' m upset with the possibility that KI is going to get something that could've been done better, especially with all of the land it has to work with. Please keep in mind that everyone on here is entitled to their opinion and just because you don't agree with it, doesn't give you the right to let your emotions get the best of you by being rude. Just remember we are all KI fans here.

This response pretty much sums my point in asking that question. That logic is highly, highly flawed and unsubstantiated. CP is its own park and KI is its own park. Sure, CF will probably do bits to let the two differentiate themselves, but there's enough unique going on at both parks that keeps them unique. This entire focus on how the stats will somehow make or break a coaster addition is nonsense and there is literally no evidence ever to back up that line of thought. I think this line of thought stems from enthusiasts not getting what they want and somehow making arguments to shift the burden that the parks' and parent company are somehow making these backroom decisions on how parks should flex a few stats here and there to make other parks seem more appealing. This line of thought is enthusiast entitlement through and through. We had this exact conversation about Banshee and whether or not it'd be bigger than Raptor unironically, which, the stats alone proved that notion false. Banshee and GateKeeper are entirely different types and were built for entirely different reasons. When they built GateKeeper, CP already had about every other type that'd you'd consider a staple already built. KI building Banshee was to plug up a lack of a staple being that most parks of KI's size had an inverted coaster in the line up, which can also be said about Diamondback. Now, the reason we didn't have those types was due to CP, but because they were in different chains, and once CF acquired KI, they rounded up the coaster lineup nicely, to fit what CF's park model is. Last time I checked, KI still draws in its fare share of out of market guests. This argument only works if KI was somehow not doing so and is somehow doing bad in business as a result of Banshee and Diamondback being a few hairs short on stats, which there is 0 correlation (additionally, the kind of business KI had the year they built Mystic Timbers also obliterates that argument). CF did have some slower growth last year and whatever becomes of this giga is a result of that, but CF obviously still sees KI successful enough to green light a giga, a type which only 5 other parks in the entire world have at this point. The whole argument of being disappointed by a giga coaster has to be one of the stupidest things that the enthusiast community has produced.

I would be happy to get a giga, but overall I would feel robbed. These are my reasons: Getting a giga is a one time opportunity for a park - once you build a giga it is extremely unlikely you’ll ever get something taller or faster. Only a couple parks have ever had that happen. If you’re going to build a giga at all, either go all out and build something that blows everyone’s socks off, or build something else entirely if you’re not willing to go the extra mile. King’s Island is in a unique position with the amount of land and topography they have to do something incredible with a giga. It would be a shame if they wasted that opportunity to build something “meh” in the interest of the minutiae of shareholder interests/Cedar Fair financial reasons posited by the suits upstairs etc. As far as KI is concerned, consumer opinion for the last 10 years or so has been that “once KI gets a giga, it will be an experience that is a step above the rest.” It would be a laughably tone-deaf move by Cedar Fair to ignore this expectation in the interest of VERY TINY financial details. Many of the Gigas that have been built have one upped the one before it in some way or another - it would be really sad if this was the first backtrack in the lineup of gigas built so far. It would be a sad indicator of King’s Island being more interested in building something “just decent” instead of being interested in providing extremely unique/groundbreaking ride experiences. For that reason, I absolutely want some kind of record broken and I don’t feel selfish or entitled for wanting that for the reasons listed above.

Near the top of Drop Tower, one girl says “wow, it’s windy!” The girl next to her says “when the wind lets up, it means it’s about to drop!” Physics!

Currently at the park, hopefully can see little details that could been done during the week Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The former SOB area behind Banshee, and what the park may put there, is related to this topic. One thing that doesn’t add much to the discussion is complaining.

I'm guessing our teaser campaign should be similar to how Copperhead Strike was teased where different posters saying different things go up throughout the season. I also hope the announcement is on a public operating day where everyone can attend and not like Carowinds where they announce on a closed day and was just for the media.

I love how this thread has already turned into another RMC Son of Beast discussion!

While I do think the layout is fairly short, I feel like it could be a REALLY great ride experience and not have a single dull moment! Mystic Timbers is not the longest, but it never lets up! I may be the only one who thinks this though...

Dropping in images from mobile. IDK why on PC they drop in as links.

It feels like the code is somewhat broken, with a lot of question marks here and there. We know it will be a giga. We know it’s B&M. We know where in the park it will be built. Those are about the only things we can guarantee right now. The leaked layout has been a source of consternation for many of us so far. The sources are dubious and super weird, so as far as I’m concerned, believing it is either real or fake is totally fair game. I am personally a fence sitter. Even if we accept the layout is real, there’s still a ton of question marks. We don’t know exactly how tall it will be, we don’t know how fast, we don’t know how long the track is, we have only a vague sense of what elements will be present. The layout and current info tells us very little about any of this - all it provides are some super rough estimates. We have somewhat cracked the code, but the big question so far is “what will the giga actually do?” In my opinion, that’s like 75% of the equation here. Until one of us finds more blueprints, we’re given teasers, or are fed some drip of information, all we’re doing is having fun spitballing

After reading for the last week, I have come to the conclusion that we are too caught-up in the numbers. Height, potential speed, drop, length, etc... Guys, it is Kings Island. Cedar Fair. B&M. And a massive land clearing. This will be a phenomenal ride. Mystic Timber's numbers are not good at all. The layout looked boring. We all had reservations. And now it is the best ride in the park. Chill out on the details (that haven't even been confirmed by the park). KI/CF/B&M know what they are doing.

I fully expect this to be where our RMC goes in a few years.

I think Cedar Fair has done pretty good with the park, overall. I don't think the park would be anywhere near the level its at right now, if it was owned by someone like Six Flags. If we want Cedar Fair to give us a little bigger coasters, they need to see more roi, that means we need to buy more of everything that what they're selling, and help them anyway we can.

Could the "5 is alive" be referring to this as the 5th giga in North America? Or was that already figured out? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

I wonder, where does Leviathan rank at in the 4 Giga coasters in North America? If this is Leviathan 2.0, then it would hopefully be better, and if its some people's #2, our new coaster might be able to take that spot, right below Fury!

Teasing for Banshee and Mystic Timbers started at the beginning of the 2013/2016 seasons. It's worth noting, however, that the 2013 and 2016 seasons didn't add any notable additions to the main park (excluding Tropical Plunge in 2016). This year, however, we have the addition of Antique Cars, the renovation of International Street, and The Beast's 40th anniversary. The likely reason we haven't seen teasers for 2020 yet is because Kings Island doesn't want the new coaster addition to overshadow everything that's happening at the park right now. My guess is that we won't see any teasers around the Firehawk fence until late June at the earliest, with the announcement happening between late July and early August.

It would still be longer than the leaked plans.

I would just like to thank everyone who has put all this time into something that we’ll end up learning the truth to eventually. It really is amazing how dedicated you all are. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I was able to find the blueprints online to both Banshee and Diamondback, is it possible that someone who is more capable than me found the blueprints to Kings Mills Antique Autos and overlaid a giga layout?