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Make a space themed grille or something along those lines. Like in this picture. Credit: https://lbb.in/mumbai/out-of-this-world-go-to-this-space-theme-restaurants-in-mumbai/

definitely looks like a building pad by Racer. Found it interesting seeing the bobcat moving dirt north of the Firehawk trains.

Good, my wife needs another 100 pair of panties

Kings Island: “let’s buy gravel and lay it down, just to mess with KIC” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Still not sure why people are saying this is the worst giga considering we have no idea what any of the elements on this coaster are. COULD it be the worst giga? Yeah of course. COULD it be the best giga? Yes. We just don’t know at this point. Based on the layout made by CoasterMac, I could see this being the third best giga, behind Fury and I305, though everything is subjective. I get being disappointed, but don’t be too disappointed considering we have no idea what this coaster will actually be like. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I took the Kennywood and Stinger posts and split them into their respective threads. Thanks!

I see the new Xbase bathrooms have been install already! Ask and you shall receive.

I really don't think the area between The Racer and Flight of Fear is a staging area. From a YouTube video, there are survey markers placed around there. Also, the only way to the main site is the little road that goes around FOF. If the leaked layout is correct, why use that space when half of Firehawk's old site won't be used for the new coaster? It could be a new maintenance building or the elusive bathrooms, but I doubt they would place survey markers if it was just for staging. With the work starting there, I have my doubts about the credibility of the leaked layout. It would be neat if the station and queue were in this spot and the lift and break run went over FOF's launch tunnel.

Regarding the land construction north of Racer, remember the doors to FOF's transfer track are also in close proximity so they wouldn't want to completely block that area off with expansion or a coaster.

I highlighted the area that was being worked on yesterday. The shape might be off a little, but the spot is correct. It really would be a closer walk to this from The Racer queue. But realistically I don't think it's a guest destination. As mentioned earlier the gravel spread and surveying equipment makes it look like more than just staging. It seems oddly shaped and small in size compared to other park-use buildings/structures. That's all I got.

Would you go a new restaurant in that area? Especially with Coney Bar B Que not far away?

Couple of things... The “leaked” layout is puzzling because of how it was released and the timing. I still have suspicions this was leaked by the park as a distraction. It came from a CAD drawing which makes it seem legit. No park has ever received a leaked CAD layout prior to a new ride. Could this be from a layout that wasn’t approved? How hard would it be to create a fake layout if you had these CAD drawings to use. I’m guessing not more than a few hours to draw a coaster. Additionally, the true North point on the blueprint does not line up with the “layout”. Some people have commented that Mystic Timbers didn’t either. However, we never had footer blueprints from MT. My assumption is that detailed footer blueprints with exact dimensions and drawings would be accurate where they put true North. “If” the leaked layout is correct, I expect them to make huge elements out of the turn around and helix. In my opinion the drop will be a record breaker above 320 feet. The first hill will be a lateral airtime hill and go into the turnaround. The turnaround HAS to be massive with the amount of speed coming into that element. After that we have some more banked turns and airtime hills before what I hope is a HUGE Shambala like element. People seem to be upset about the length of this leaked layout. I was at first as well. But if you’ve been on Fury, it seems like a lot of the end is just a filler to get length. The helix and hill don’t really add much. If this layout is true, this thing will be rocking throughout the entire layout and could be the perfected B&M model we have hoped for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For what it's worth, when I overlaid the layout image onto google earth to try to measure the layout, it was difficult to get things to match properly. If I had the buildings next to Dinosaurs Alive lined up properly, racer was a bit off and DA path wouldn't fit, and vice versa. One thing I could never get to line up properly was The Beast track. If I lined The Beast track up, literally nothing matched at all. Can't speak to the legitimacy of the layout but that did feel weird. It didn't seem like enough was missing that the layout is going to be wildly different, but it definitely looked and felt like something was missing.

I'm not saying you're wrong at all, I just don't think we should be at the "doom and gloom" phase just yet.

Looking at fury also, they all have gravel under the transfer track, and that’s also what’s built first each time too... maybe it will go that way... I indeed believe the “layouts” are fake. But we shall all just see. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think the gravel may be the transfer track area, DB and I believe Banshee started with gravel there Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That plot of land being worked on between Racer and FoF has grown since yesterday. I wonder if this would be where they're moving the garage-looking building that is due south of the old Firehawk station, and next door to the large red pole-barn. The plot is pretty similar, and theres a maintenance road leading right up to the side of it. That and the new giant pole-barn being built would shoot a couple holes in the leaked plan though, which show those two buildings still there. Could still be anything though.

Is it possible that the coaster goes over FOF?

Since we do not know the source, we will not be hosting them on KIC. Thanks for your understanding.

If anyone was quick to call this the worst giga, let me just remind y'all of 2006/2007. Maverick. People were ANGRY. "What the heck is that ride?!?" It seemed as though everyone was hoping for some kind of huge, record-smashing coaster. Mind you, this was the first coaster after TTD. Expectations were so high and then the announcement came. I will admit it. I was crushed. "Really?" "That's it?" Fast forward a few months. MIND BLOWN. One of the absolute best coasters on the planet. That is all.

That’s where the important parts are missing. It’s either a page is missing in between, or we are getting different pieces at different scales. That doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless one page has more details to it. I’m guessing missing a page in there. If they were the same scale throughout, you could easily piece together the pages one right after the other. EDIT: One more thought- since it is coaster track, they could be shifting the areas being shown. That would throw off the border. But even with that said, the scale should still be the same and any existing elements should line up perfectly. I think these images have been doctored to look like something they are not.

ive said this before and ill say it again. B&M is one of the most predictable manufactures these days. you can pretty much look at an top down view of a giga and decipher the layout. even if by some miracle B&M surprises us and makes something crazy its going to be over so fast and honestly i dont think B&M is going to pull something crazy here. thats my whole issue with this supposed layout.

I think the layout is fake. The first page looks good, but someone did some creative editing to make track pieces line up and then other parts of the page don’t line up. Someone is missing pages 2-3 in the one that I found.

Yeah I think that even if it is the shortest giga it will have some new incredible elements that B&M is experimenting with. I think ours will condense all the best B&M giga elements into one package. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes it was from /u/MrBrightside711 on reddit. An anonymous user posted here and I think it was deleted. I think this may be because the leaked layout is real and KI people saw it but just guessing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My guess is a new permanent Haunt maze is being constructed between Racer and FOF. Massacre Manor, Carnevil, and Tombstone Terrortory were all removed without replacements. Since area is so far removed from the midway, there shouldn’t be much of an increase in congestion. With Winterfest being well established now, it would make sense to invest some capital into Haunt this year.

Doesnt make sense to lay gravel, then dig through it for footers.

It has to be related to the coaster construction in some form or fashion, there should be plans for whatever this is filed with the city. Maybe the next person to stop there should ask for all plans filed by KI recently.

It's very distinct in its lines. It does look like there could be a pole barn going up there, but every time I've ever helped someone build a pole barn, we bore the holes for the poles before we put down gravel like that... very interesting.

My son and I are working on a 4x8 LEGO city in our basement. It’s not much to see at the moment as we had some expensive car repairs and just moved into a new house. I believe we have about $400 invested so far with a lot of plans to grow the city. Once I get home I’ll post some pictures.

^^I've thought about that idea before. Another idea I have is this is going to be where the restrooms and a new restaurant could go along with a seating area. Maybe the coaster's merchandise shop could go in that area as well.

So if we get a 299ft coaster, will this thread still exhist?

Definitely or replace it with a better ride

I did always wonder what The Beast would be like with Arrow track and a Ron Toomer inspired layout.

Not much to report with the construction progress, however I think it’s fair to assume that the land clearing has been completed.

Never trust the opinion of anyone who enjoys Invertigo.

That hasn't stopped them before. A number of the dining options are in close proximity to one another. For example, Coney BBQ isn't too far from a Subway and a Skyline, Tom + Chee is close to Brewhouse and a Chick Fil-A, Chicken Shack is across from Festhaus, which is close to Hank's.

I’m going with maintenance space. It’s behind 3 different rides with trees all around. Plenty of space to hide and rebuild other maintenance buildings that are being removed behind The Racer. Anyone know if the tank is still actually used and if so, what for? Water, fuel or something else?

I’d love this!!! Doesn’t even need to revolve, just have a theme to it. I think they either need to expand the X-Base area and theme or change it to something futuristic. Either would work. KI needs more indoor seating options, or at least well covered and maintained options for the days it’s not so nice out, or it’s hot and humid, aka all summer in Cincinnati. When we dined at the diner in Coney Mall and it was raining, there was water pouring through the numerous holes in the canopy. Not what I want when I am trying to eat!!!

We are headed there later today. Anything you want me to look for?

It’s nice to see a summer production return to the international showplace. While the dog shows the past few years were cute, this venue Is finally getting a better entertainment line up. Maybe someday the international showplace can get some much needed remodel/upgrades so that it can also be utilized for Winterfest in some capacity.

I visit Universal Orlando frequently enough that I have an annual pass, but the passes are not that expensive when you consider ticket prices, and parking, two trips pay for the pass. I also go every year for Halloween Horror Nights and have not missed a year in over a decade. I can likely answer most questions you might have about the parks or HHN. Halloween Horror Nights is pretty much completely unique houses and scare zones every year. I can only think of one house which was repeated, but even that house was built from scratch the second time around. As soon as the event ends they tear down everything and start working on the following year. As a warning the houses are incredibly detailed but your not allowed to stop and admire the work. Because of the giant crowds they do not pulse the line but instead have to send continuous streams of people though the house in a conga line. If you do stop, they have security personal in basically every rooms and hallway who will direct you to start moving. If you do go to Florida to check out HHN, take a day to head out to Busch Gardens in Tampa, their Howl-o-scream event is well worth your time and you can spend the day riding some fantastic coasters and flat rides. I recommend the VIP tour at HOS, it’s not that much extra and you get a tour guide who walks you to the front of line at all the houses. Plus you get a plastic souvenir bottle at check in which you get several stops where they will fill it with your choice of beverage including beer. They also provide snacks at the stops. HOS reuses houses from year to year, they do a great job building them but as long as you go every 3 or 4 years you will see all of them likely more than once.

Your definition of towering over and mine are different. Also, ET sits on ground ~20 ft higher than the new coaster. KI Central says the top observation deck it 275 ft.(https://KICentral.com/rides/eiffel-tower/). And we aren't sure the new lift will even hit 300 ft. The blueprints don't make that clear.

I tried to find other B&M CAD layouts, but those are not easy to come by. Here are a few coaster layouts that I found online, just to compare to the leaked one that we have seen. Son of Beast: Image Source Shambhala (in green -- not sure what the red coaster is) - PortAventura Image Source Copperhead Strike - Carowinds: Image Source Obviously, the most similar one here is Shambahala, since it is a B&M Hyper. This makes me believe that the leak is real. The CAD design is basically the same for the two coasters. The most notable differences that I see are: the chain lift section doesn't look like the Shambhalas drawing and the layout is colored. This makes me believe the leaked plan is meant for the station construction, evidenced by its colored features, which are not present anywhere else except for the access roads. Another thing to note is the length of each portion. KI's leaked layout is much more stretched out when comparing it to Shambhala's layout, and the length of that ride is 5,131'. Also, I apologize for posting three large pictures, but I thought it'd be a good way to show how different a coasters layout plan can look.

This could just be a staging area

i found these on cincybroscoasters365 instagram page.. i have no clue if this is in connection to the clearing but it is very interesting nonetheless it seems there is quite a bit of activity going on between The Racer and Flight of Fears building.

From the looks of the webcams someone is at the park.

Well, I just saw this firework today and if that’s not proof...

Okay, big post incoming. I want to rehash some things and retrace some steps so bear with me. Feels like we need a recap to reorient ourselves. I talked with my brother about all this after sending him the link to this thread and I'm sort of leaning toward this not being a giga at all. He is not a coaster nut like any of us, but he has worked in project management for a few years and sees many blueprints that look like our coaster prints we have on hand, so he knows a thing or two. And for the record, he has combed through this thread, and as a project management professional, all the inconsistencies we've found are bugging the hell out of him as well. The first thing that confuses me about all this is the lift hill height we first discussed when the blueprints dropped. We had some discussion on whether or not the scale at the bottom of the image is correct. At first I was willing to believe that the scale is incorrect, but that makes almost zero sense the more that I think about it. That would be a wild clerical error to make for plans like this. I'm inclined to believe that they would definitely not be wrong for a project of this scale – I cannot imagine the wrench that would throw in the gears for construction. BUT, just for a second, let's assume something is off about the scale. Fine. Based on the specs of the footers on the other pages, if you scale the lift hill blueprint appropriately, here's what you end up with: Since we know the backbone footer has the actual backbone itself at 40 degrees, this can't be anywhere close to 300 feet. Backbone image for reference: However, I did say that I can't bring myself to believe that the scale on the lift hill image is incorrect. I find it very difficult to believe that the official plans filed with the city would have an error like that. So, let's backtrack a bit. Let's accept for a second that the scale is correct, and that the scale of the footers is incorrect for the simplicity of the lift hill blueprint. If we're working on the assumption that the scale is correct, then most of you were right the first time around, and that means the lift hill run is even smaller on the horizontal plane - somewhere a little over 200 feet. At 40 degrees for the backbone, that's even smaller and it probably doesn't even breach 200 feet. I hesitate to bring the leaked layout into this due to its dubious source, but if you consider the length of the layout, this also suggests a ride that is decidedly not a giga. This gives us a couple reasons to point toward this ride not being a giga: If we accept the scale on the blueprints to be correct, this lift hill is NOT close to 300 feet. The layout length appears to be super short, as many of you have expressed concern about. This would be a super short giga. However, there are a couple darning things about all of this that seem to be a smoking gun for a giga. The first thing that immediately stuck out to me is the support structure. Particularly L16x set of supports, meaning L16D, and L16R, L16L: That pattern is quite literally, this: The supports I mentioned seem to directly match the backbone on the drop, and the two white supports directly behind it. The other supports on the entire blueprint seem to match closely too. No other coaster model (to my knowledge) other than a B&M Giga uses this support layout. This seems to be irrefutable evidence that what's on the drawings is a giga, if it weren't for the scale on the image. Another thing to point out, is that the leaked layout has zero inversions on it. Layouts don't show track banking, but you'd definitely know where an inversion was. You'd see a slight wobble where a heartline roll would be, a vague immelmann shape, a sharp Z shape that a loop makes when viewed from above, etc. That also points toward a giga, since it rules out a wing or a dive coaster. So, to recap We have a couple reasons to believe this is a giga: The support pattern on the blueprints is strikingly similar to that of Fury and Leviathan. The layout has no inversions. Given the bases I've covered here, this brings up a question in my mind that has been asked here a few times. What the hell is this thing??? Could we be looking at a brand new ride type we've never seen from B&M? I mean, we're due for one right? When was the last time we saw a new model from B&M? The first US dive machine was SheiKra in 2005, and the first US wing coaster was Wild Eagle in 2012. Are we due for a new model? Assuming we're accepting that the layout is real, this would explain a lot of the pieces we can't seem to fit together. If we accept that the layout is a fake (somehow) then this kinda points toward a dive machine or a wing, and they're using the giga support structure on a dive machine for the first time. Basically, I'm not sure I can believe that the blueprints we got are wrong in any respect, and that means no giga. The only way out of this is if these are decoy blueprints, which seems... super unlikely to me, unless KI has mounted an unprecedented disinformation campaign to hide whatever gigantic project they're working on. I don't even know if you can submit bogus blueprints to the city. I'd guess not. I do find it somewhat odd that a member on this forum (I can't remember who) had seen the prints from a friend and hadn't posted them, and I am interested to know who this friend was and how they stumbled upon the blueprints and/or knew to go request them from the city. It does feel weird to me. I'll take this chance to reuse this gif: As an aside, I wonder what the person who leaked the blueprints is thinking as they follow this thread. They are either laughing hysterically at us, or sweating profusely. Ok, over and out, gonna take my tinfoil hat off for a bit and let you guys hash this one out. EDIT: I forgot about the person who literally input coordinates into solidworks from the blueprints, it's a giga, ignore my conspiracy theories.