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  1. 13 points
    I came across this article today posted on another site. I’m not sharing this as a promotion of another site, but as a promotion of the message it conveys. I recommend everyone on here should read it. https://www.coaster-net.com/blogs/have-enthusiast-taken-the-fun-out-of-roller-coasters Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. 11 points
    Love the elaborate menu descriptions as if the food won't be slightly below Applebees quality served by the park's renown food service staff.
  3. 11 points
    Oh my word. Did you unwrap Christmas presents before Christmas day to see what was inside? If your answer is yes and your parents found out about it- they should have returned the gifts. Because it's intended for a surprise. If the park wanted people to see behind the curtain, they'd post pictures. if not- wait another 35-40'ish days. The original poster of the images asked, then didn't post the iStreet images. The conversation should have ended there. Zealots that can't wait a few weeks could be placing this site and its moderators at risk. Though Kings Island doesn't "own" this site- the site doesn't exist without the park: no Kings Island, no KIC. If the park feels like members of this site are improperly taking liberties with with their "private" property and decide its more trouble than worth they could choose to file a lawsuit corresponding to what they feel has been violated. Granted, I don't think it would be a case they could win- BUT it would cost "owners" of this site to lawyer up. I'm not sure what the payday is for moderating this site, but I doubt it would be feasible to enlist in a legal battle. Takeaway: Just wait. Go to work. Go to school. Read a book. Build your own anticipation of 75 degree days and walking through the park entrance in April. You're not entitled to anything; and the second you think the park owes you (or members of this site) something- here's a hint: they don't. Think of someone other than yourself. In other words, stay in your lane. Baxter, Out.
  4. 11 points
    I've been slowly scanning my collection of vintage Kings Island maps and brochures for archival purposes and thought others would enjoy looking at all the old collectibles. Here's the first, the 1972 Kings Island Guide Book. Guests were handed this as they entered the park its first year and, unlike the single-page maps of today, this thing was 40 pages long. It highlighted park areas, attractions, and sponsors, using primarily custom artwork (Also, I believe KICentral previously included this specific guide in its history section, but it doesn't appear to have a live link anymore). I'll mix in some history facts and tidbits alongside the images. Feel free to share additional information if you have it, and please don't hesitate to correct me if I say anything wrong. Cover- featuring a trio of Hanna-Barbera characters on Enchanted Voyage. Note the ride's TV facade isn't finished - it wasn't until the end of the 1972 season that the ride's name was painted over-top the rainbow. 2-3 - Sherwin-Williams ad. The company sponsored Eiffel Tower 1972-1974 and included this advertisement in each of the guidebooks. Interestingly, the 4000 gallons fact jumped to 6000 gallons in the 1974 guide. 4-5 - Hosts and Hostesses and Table of Contents. The 1,500 high school and college students operating the park in 1972 were selected from a pool of 11,000 candidates. Today, the park employees approximately 5,000 seasonal associates. 6-7 - General Information. Some interesting things to highlight: Cameras could be rented from the Fotomat Camera Shop Different International Street buildings used to have mailboxes for postcards and letters Hand-stamps for re-entry has been a thing since the park's first year (anyone know if it was Hanna-Barbera character stamps back then?) 8-9 - BankAmericard Service Center and northAmerican Van Lines Storage Center, both in the main entrance building. Note that strollers used to be provided for free (albeit, if you've ever seen a photo of the old strollers, you know they're almost barbaric when compared to today's ). Also I love the incorporation of Hanna-Barbera characters into the artwork. 10-11 - International Street map. It's interesting how many sub-shops were in the five buildings, whereas today a single shop (ie, Sweet Shop) takes-up the whole building. It's also interesting how unique all the different wares were... I don't think you can still buy pottery or candles at the park today! Inset 1 - This was one of two insets in the guide. It listed park sponsors, all of which were also featured on their own pages. 12-13 - Kahn's Sausage Haus, the "world's smallest sausage kitchen". It's interesting that the guide book included such a detailed description of the sausage making process. This was located where Skyline Chili is today. 14-15 - Rainbo Mini Bakery and Fotomat Camera Shop. The former was replaced in 1975 with Magic Shop (and today is part of Starbucks' seating), the latter in 1974 with a generic camera shop. 16-17 - Oktoberfest. I bought this brochure from eBay a few years ago and it includes small notes and comments from whoever used it almost 50 years ago. They appear to have marked attractions they rode (Sky Ride), but also added-in Bayern Kurve... everything I've ever read/heard says the ride didn't open until 1973, so I'm intrigued by this being written-in. I have some theories, but does anyone know more? 18-19 - Toys Internationale and French Bauer. The 1972 guide is a little out-of-order, but this was fixed by the 1973 guide. Also, note the attention to detail with French Bauer - "The counter, back bar and mirror are for real, actually acquired from a classic Ice Cream and Candy Shoppe in the Old South." 20-21 - Park map. Very simplistic, and probably not to scale 22-23 - Old Coney, otherwise identified as Coney Island. Couple things to note... Items 18 and 19 are both "Refreshment Stand". I wonder if these had real names that just weren't used in the 1972 guide (they were identified as Thrill Burger and Antique Treats in the 1973 guide) It's interesting Something New!!, the name of a show, is listed instead of Kings Island Theater, where the show took place A small stage, Show Wagon, is not listed or depicted, but it was immediately to the right of Flying Carpet. It wasn't there opening day, but had been installed by mid-season. 24-25 - Entertainment offerings opening year. 26-27 - Rivertown. I've always found it interesting the park considered both antique cars rides (Les Taxis and Ohio Overland Auto Livery) as part of Rivertown, despite one side only being accessible from Old Coney. Also of note, check-out the original train layout. It was re-routed right before Winterfest 1988 to accommodate the new WaterWorks. 28-29 - And the last area, The Happy Land of Hanna-Barbera. It seems whoever used this guide in 1972 must've had children, as they heavily focused on this area of the park. 30-31 - Marathon Turnpike, an Arrow Development turnpike ride. The attraction consisted of two intertwined tracks (like antique cars), but I don't think there were any differences in ride vehicles between the sides. The two tracks were also ultimately merged into one for the 1982 children's area overhaul. Inset 2 - The second inset, a pretend Marathon credit card. Marathon sponsored the turnpike through the late 1970s. 32-33 - Shops and stores. It's interesting to see how diverse the collection of merchandise used to be. Note that Schmuckwaren and Cristaleria both appeared to feature a glassblower. 34-35 - Food and refreshments, also pretty diverse. A few of these locations (Whistle Stop, Refreshment Stand) have been demolished over the past couple years. 36-38 - Outside of the amusement park, the entertainment center also included a campground and golf center. The campground was removed in the early 2000s, and it appears the last remnants of it are now being transformed into an employee dorm. The golf center remains to this day, albeit without the Jack Nicklaus name attached. 39-40 - Kings Island Inn, later known as the Kings Island Resort and Conference Center and closed late 2014. The $3 million inn was built by Taft Broadcasting and managed by Carrousel Motels Inc. Back - And finally, the back cover. I'll try and share the 1973 guide in the near future. There's a lot of similarities between the two, but also some interesting additions and edits. Hope you enjoyed the 1972 guide though; let me know if any questions or comments!
  5. 10 points
    TombRaiderFTW

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    Not to make fun of you, but this wording made me laugh. I think it's because it gave me the idea of there being a band of Mike Koontz impersonators out there in the world making wildly inaccurate rumors to enthusiasts. Like, imagine someone in one of those Mr. Six costumes walking up to someone at Kings Island, leaning in, and gently whispering, "...We're renaming Vortex to Fortnite: The Ride." Can we please agree to refer to him as The Real Mike™ this year?
  6. 9 points
  7. 9 points
    TombRaiderFTW

    Does Kings Island need a giga?

    Forgive me for a grumpy old man post... If I'm being totally honest, I'm really indifferent to what coaster comes next. It's going to be what it's going to be. There are great coasters and not-great coasters of literally any size out there. I don't care what it is as long as it's fun. That being said, I'm kind of hoping the next coaster is over 300 feet tall. (I'm really tired of the g-word, haha.) It's not because there's some "hole" in our lineup, but because the discussion about Kings Island getting one is overtaking every corner of enthusiast discussion here and elsewhere. That level of excitement is not unusual in years where there are teaser posters (I was here in 2008, 2013, and 2016--I remember), but this is some next-level stuff. We already decided what we're owed from the park years before there being any hint of construction. That's a recipe for disappointment and outrage whenever the next announcement happens if it's not what we've rallied ourselves behind. I don't know that there's any correlation, but I feel like there was a shift in enthusiast culture in the last couple years when everyone and their dog decided to make a coaster news YouTube channel/Facebook page/Twitter/Instagram/Myspace/series of smoke signals/Broadway play. With those seemed to come this attitude of "more coasters, more height, more speed, nothing is enough!" It's become a bit like living in one of those Ride Warriors commercials from 2009. That attitude change has brought a lot of "discussion" that involves a lot of cutting comments and polarized beliefs--if the park isn't announcing a coaster, then what's the point of having an announcement, amirite? Why do parks bother with B&M when Intamin and RMC make way better rides? Why do parks bother with Intamin and RMC when B&M makes more reliable rides? Why do parks bother with wooden coasters at all when RMC makes more intense rides? Why WOULDN'T the Guardians of the Galaxy ride at Epcot be a giga? There's less and less room for nuance or opinion or appreciation for charm, and the pitch is only climbing from here. Carowinds could burn to the ground and (what feels like) the growing majority of people wouldn't mind as long as Fury was still standing. I think the conflicted response within the enthusiast world to the Antique Cars' return is very symptomatic of this change. Had they done that five or especially ten years ago, I think the response would have been more unanimously and enthusiastically positive. That's a bit sad to me. Parks are more than their coasters. But, like, that's my opinion, man. To be clear, I'm not blaming the staff here or anywhere else for any of this. I think this is bigger than them. I just really miss the days when we liked Holiday World for more than just Voyage, y'know?
  8. 9 points
    Dane

    I-Street Pictures Discussion

    KIC is an independent site from official Cedar Fair Kings Island. It has a working professional/political relationship to do this whole thing with them. They give us exclusive media and access to cover things to share with you and sometimes they ask for things to be removed or hidden. Its a give and take. We all volunteer to do this because of our love for the park. Sometimes it is fun and fulfilling, but also many times it can be quite stressful. We try and roll with the punches the best we can.
  9. 9 points
    I think you guys are SEVERELY over analyzing a cartoon map version that is rarely accurate for how that area is going to look.
  10. 9 points
    Definitely a nice article and read. I have literally spent more than half of my life (wow, that is crazy to think about), working at Coney Island, that doesn`t have the biggest or tallest coaster out there. We have one small coaster. Many people say that I am nuts for working here so long, but I love the little park and the thought that many locals may come out and experience their first coaster at Coney, and one day may have the same interest in amusement parks that has kept me working at Coney. Its hard to believe that I am entering my 18th season working at Coney (I am 34 years old, so over half of my life I have worked at Coney in the summers, starting when I was 17. I still remember one of the things that my manager told me towards the end of a long, hot day my first season when I was working the Scrambler. He asked me if I was having fun, and I kind of just said, yeah, I guess. He then said, well look at all the small kids that are riding your ride. Look at their smiling faces and all the excitement that you are helping them have. That has stuck with me through these years, and is part of the reason why I keep coming back. I have so much fun working at Coney (even though it is my second job). I don`t really even view it as a job.
  11. 9 points
    What a great read to keep things in prespective. We are here to talk and enjoy our hobby, our beloved Kings Island. (and other parks) Always keep in mind what got you into this hobby. Appreciate the park for everything that it is, and the relationships that you have created being in this hobby.
  12. 9 points
    Imperial79

    International street makeover

    New post from Chad Showalter from his Twitter @chadshowalter of a part of International Street!
  13. 8 points
  14. 8 points
    We've got the time. You can't open the door and then not walk through.
  15. 8 points
    Gordon Bombay

    Could SOB Have Been Saved?

    I'll always have a soft spot for that ride. It debuted right when I was getting into roller coasters and I had just received Roller Coaster Tycoon for the first time when SOB was announced. I mean, who wasn't amazed by that announcement? And when it was built, that structure was SO impressive looking! What a time to be alive! I even had the chance to walk its structure on a few occasions (shameless plug). Let's be real, though. The ride sucked and anyone who generally liked it always must add "but" to their statement. The ride always had an asterisk next to its reputation. Could it physically have been fixed? Sure, I bet there was an engineering solution. But, even if you gave it the "RMC treatment," every article, mention, and story was going to declare what the ride used to be and what it was known for (the 2006 accident, the later allegations, etc.). Even if it had Steel Vengeance levels of notoriety, SOB's past would always be looming. The Son of Beast name was tainted. Better to remove it and let it fade away into the annals of history. I also sincerely doubt you ever see a ride themed/named to anything resembling "son" or "family" "of Beast" again. Why bring up bad press? For those who never rode it: the view from the top just before you rocketed down the hill was incredible. The rest of the ride was misery.
  16. 8 points
    I dig this article, thanks for sharing! I figure I'd chime in since I feel like I would have a unique perspective on the subject matter. As many of you know, I was part of the staff of this site from its early days - I joined the staff about a month after it launched in 2003 and remained on the staff until Feb 14th, 2017, when I resigned. Afterward, I took a break for a while before becoming a regular poster again. To be frank, though, I was posting less and less for the last year or two that I was on the staff simply because I had no desire to be here. Throughout the last ten or so years of my residency on the staff, there were a lot of ups and downs. I must admit that I had the opportunity to do a lot of things that I would have never been able to do, but it was far outweighed by the stress and the heartache that was caused by it. Much of this was attributed to a personal and professional conflict that I now must admit that I had during the entire time running this site - my life goal was to work in the marketing department at Kings Island. When certain individuals within the department found out about this, they used this around every corner in order to hold both KIC and myself hostage. This means that I was forced to defend the park during times when I didn't agree with their decisions. I also was forced to delete posts and even put down users who claimed that something went wrong on their visit. If I didn't, I would often get the claim that not doing what they requested that it "doesn't bode well with you wanting to work here" or that this person or that person "no longer supports the site" because they didn't get their way. I hope to God that things have changed. My resignation had everything to do with no longer wishing to be involved, but I did have an epiphany shortly after that really put things into the light. Simply, if I'm treated this way and not on their payroll (side note: I have NEVER been on their payroll) how would I be treated if I did work there? It's kind of like the couple that fights all the time but thinks getting married would fix everything. It won't. I was ready to walk away from the entire industry. With the encouragement of several mentors within the industry, I was encouraged to stay involved. Since then I have met some of the most amazing people. I can assure you that the way that I was treated is not indicative of the entire industry, or even Cedar Fair as a whole. It is incredibly unique to certain individuals. I am now more confident and grateful to be involved in the industry than I have ever been. I have been able to accomplish great things despite a decade of being told I wasn't good enough. I don't know everybody's story on here, but if this story resonates with anyone else then I'll tell you that I hear you. I would encourage you to branch out. Go to IAAPA in November and meet as many people as you can. There are a million opportunities out there and a million wonderful people that are truly there to help you, not take advantage of you. So now, as a casual/regular guest, I enjoy my visits more than ever. I'm not worried about any of this stuff anymore. I enjoy it for what it is, and I hope you can too.
  17. 7 points
    fryoj

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    We literally have documents filed with the county in August with 2018, 2109, 2020 as dates and B&M listed as a contractor. How is that not a confirmation? The county uses a much higher standard than "the park hasn't posted anything on Facebook about it." The only logical explanation is people like to play the "I'm going to be the contrarian on a message board" game.
  18. 7 points
    pianoman

    Kings Island 2019 Discussion

    When I sit down and think about it, there’s a lot of things to celebrate this year at Kings Island. Of course you’ve got the International Street upgrade, Antique Cars and the new Brewery restaurant. But there are several anniversaries at the park this year. Beast is 40 years old, Soak City/Waterworks is 30, Drop Tower and Invertigo are 20, and Diamondback is 10. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. 7 points
    Don’t forget the triple-down into the station on Adventure Express (per the map)
  20. 7 points
    BoddaH1994

    2019 KI map officially released

    I’m not certain he’s trying to say that Royal SHOW Fountain is the official name. I think he’s just making a comment, which is fair.
  21. 7 points
    scoriell

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    Formal petition to name the Giga: Mike Koontz The Experience.
  22. 7 points
    Maverick44

    Kings Island 2019 Discussion

    Double post but different day! We have testing! Spring is just about here! Delirium is up and running !
  23. 7 points
    It's because the lift hill doesn't go all the way into space.
  24. 7 points
    Ugh, tell me about! I heard a certain Youtuber (not gonna name names) refer to MT as a good ride, "but more of a family-style GCI", which really doesn't even make sense considering that compared to its GCI contemporaries, Mystic actually stacks up very well stats-wise. In fact... So there you have it. Despite the often spouted rhetoric of Mystic being a statistically underwhelming coaster... its actually the second tallest GCI to date, and among the fastest. So my question is if MT is "just a family coaster" then what does make of Gold Striker, Prowler, Renegade, Lightning Racer, Apocalypse etc.? Because MT is right up there with the biggest and fiercest of them. To those who found MT underwhelming, that is fine that's your opinion. But I take you're just not impressed by GCIs in general? If so, then you could probably consider yourself apart of a quite slim minority - of both GP and of enthusiasts - that doesn't love a tried-and-true GCI.
  25. 7 points
    BeastForever

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    Based on how much an improvement Fury was upon Leviathan - coming just three years later - we can only wonder what Beautiful and Magnificent has in store for their third giga - five years after their previous one!
  26. 7 points
    BeastForever

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    Installing a flyer right after removing a flyer would be a bad, bad, move IMO. For multiple reasons: 1. Why offer your guests the exact same concept that most of them have already experienced? And no, I don't buy into the sentiment of a giga being "redundant" upon DB. If its designed anything like Leviathan or Fury (hopefully more like Fury), then it should offer an experience entirely different from DB. 2. While B&M flyers tend to have better capacity than their Vekoma counterparts, that isn't to say that their capacities are good. Or at least, they're not on par with what KI would want. Even when they're capacities are increased by features such as the dual station like on Manta, that requires extra resources in terms of staffing, which would up operating costs. High operating costs (along with maintenance issues etc.) was one of the reasons to axe Firehawk in the first place. And with regards to B&M flyers' reliabilities (or lack thereof) while I cannot speak on all their flyers, I would infer from my anectodal experience there not that reliable either. Or at least not by B&M standards. In each of the four trips I've made to NJFTP, Superman was down for an extended period of time at some point in the day (or worse, when I was stuck on the final brake run for 20 mins! ) Again, I can't speak on to how reliable their other flyers are, but my experiences at Great Adventure I feel were to frequent to be a coincidence. There are also just so many more moving parts on flyers as opposed to other B&M models, which likely requires more $$ in maintenance. In other words, a B&M flyer would bring with it many of the same issues Firehawk had, but just to a lesser degree.
  27. 7 points
    Delta

    Kings Island 2019 Discussion

    2019 park map; readily available from the park's website in the Education Days workbooks. https://www.visitkingsisland.com/explore/groups/student-and-youth/education-days
  28. 7 points
    I'd rather be around GP that knows nothing and is just there to have fun, than a bunch of complaining enthusiasts for whom nothing ever seems to be good enough...
  29. 7 points
    There are some toxic elements in the enthusiast community but I think that is true of every enthusiast group not just fans of amusement parks. I am also a travel enthusiast, in that community we have an issue with people who somehow think they are better than others for one reason or another, frequently because they have some level of status with the organization and we refer to them using DYKWIA. It stands for Do You Know Who I Am, mostly because when they are arguing with an employee of a hotel or airline they tend to use that phrase. Some coaster enthusiasts have a similar issue, some are just obsessed with a single manufacturer, others just want the biggest, tallest, fastest rides, etc. The amusement industry is massive and has spawned numerous fan sites, discussion forums, organizations, and many other ways to communicate with others. Plus it features almost every age group, from children, to teenagers, adults, and even seniors. This leads to massive differences in preferences and ability to communicate. I think that even the articles author has missed that amusement parks are frequently built for the whole family. We are just the obsessed fraction of the people who are willing to ride the coasters. Jason McClure stated at Winter Chill Out that only 40% of the people who visit Cedar Point ride Millenium Force, we as a community need to remember the park and it’s additions are for 100% of the people who walk through the gate and not the tiny fraction of the guests who are enthusiasts. Our collective obsession with coasters is what binds the majority of park fan sites together, which is why most of our conversations center around coasters.
  30. 7 points
    Agreed. And on this note, has anyone else ever taken a step back and realize how actually crazy it is to hear someone regard a 310 foot tall, 93 mph roller coaster as a "total snoozer"?
  31. 7 points
    A nice article by @CPFoodBlog. What is your color? Red, Blue, White or Yellow? (sorry, can't change to white with a white background.) http://cpfoodblog.com/gould-manufacturing-to-provide-cars-for-kings-island-kings-mills-antique-autos/
  32. 7 points
    Creed Bratton

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    Going back to the "chances of a Giga" being the 2020 project...last year at Coaster Stock, Mike Koontz, GM, during a Q&A said that he recommended to the Cedar Fair board that the park should install a Giga Coaster, adding that to the Notice of Commencement I'd say our chances of a Giga coming to KI would be in the 90%-99% range.
  33. 7 points
    Blog: CONSTRUCTION CREWS MAKING PROGRESS ON NEW KINGS MILLS ANTIQUE AUTOS ATTRACTION https://www.visitkingsisland.com/blog/2019/february/construction-crews-making-progress-on-new-kings-mills-antique-autos-attraction?fbclid=IwAR2Ap1IuHux8rOyP2IGmY-3qQHwMPzqK3QD1mCWk2XQu2gmJEfUx4w2_GeY#.XG2oA9Py2ro.facebook I'm digging the light posts!
  34. 6 points
    brent

    2019 KI map officially released

    Lord almighty, get over it. I think he was saying it should be called the show fountain because of its new capabilities, not “I have it from the park directly it will now be called the royal show fountain” it’s semantics and maybe bad wording, but is it really worth trying to prove how “right” you are?
  35. 6 points
    The park has confirmed the Miami River Brewery (MRB) will have a bar. I was not told if it is the same bar or a new one.
  36. 6 points
    Just received the press release. A new restaurant will open at Kings Island for the 2019 season, which begins April 20. Building on the themed Rivertown area of the park, Miami River Brewhouse will be located directly across from the park’s newest coaster, Mystic Timbers. The menu, personally crafted by Kings Island’s Executive Chef, James Major, will feature taps from the finest local breweries as well as appetizers, salads, gourmet sandwiches and premium burgers. Selections will include: Pull Apart Bread – cheddar, garlic butter, scallions with beer mustard and Sri-Rancha (appetizer) That’s One Big Pretzel – Bavarian twist with bacon jam and beer cheese (appetizer) Texas Bahn Mi – smoked beef, cucumber, carrot, cilantro with Sri-Mayo served on French bread London’s Bridge – fried cod, cheese, tartar sauce served with super slaw Big Bacon Burger – a double patty burger with Havarti cheese, candied onion, bacon jam and sliced bacon Impossible Burger – vegan burger with herb mustard, cucumber, lettuce, tomato and onion “In 2018 we opened Coney Bar B Que, featuring ribs, pulled pork, rotisserie chicken and other barbecue favorites,” said James Major. “This season, with the addition of Miami River Brewhouse, we’re continuing to build on a dining experience that guests will talk about long after their visit to Kings Island.” Miami River Brewhouse will be included in the park’s dining plans. A Busy Offseason for Kings Island Kings Island’s construction crews have been busy in the offseason. In addition to the new Miami River Brewhouse, when the park opens on April 20 guests will experience a remagined International Street, as well as the brand new Kings Mills Antique Autos and celebrate the fortieth anniversary of The Beast wooden roller coaster. In February, the park announced the construction of One Team Village, a new associate village with dormitories opening in May.
  37. 6 points
    Until food service operations improves, I’m skeptical at best.
  38. 6 points
    Kings Island just posted some new Tweets from their Twitter page @KingsIslandPR Looks like things are coming together really nice!
  39. 6 points
    This is great! What an awesome read that was. Coasters are coasters and I love every single one even if they bash my skull wide open and my spine breaks in 65 places ( im looking at you corkscrew). I love them still. I am happy that I got to ride them. it sucks a lot when people team up against others based on an opinion or what they like. Hell people get mad even if you talk about something they are not talking about at the moment. We are here to share the joy we have for coasters. We should not be against each other. Yes we all have opinions and they should be respected. You can delightfully disagree and have a civilized conversation. I would also love to ride with a person who hasn't been on the coaster we are about to get on. I can tell you this much. I have a smile on my face and laugh on every coaster I ride....good or bad. It would be a totally coring world without coasters. Lets enjoy what we have. I am also proud to be a member of this site. I think we have fun and have great conversation. We just need to respect each other and our opinions.
  40. 6 points
    Not much to show, but this is what KMAA looked like as of about three weeks ago. Excited to see the final product!! -- Edit: removed the aerial photo. Will upload again if asked after the season has begun.
  41. 6 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Ask Kings Island a Question

    I would think we would see a ground up RMC before would ever see a RMC Beast. RMC conversions are for coasters that need fixed and having problems. Beast does not fall in those categories.
  42. 6 points
    Gordon Bombay

    Could SOB Have Been Saved?

    Paging @Shaggy — after reading this topic, I ended up going to watch that old Discovery Channel POV and all of that got me thinking about things I had heard over the years. Thought maybe you would be able to shed some light and dispel truth from fiction: - There's a pinch break on the straight piece of track shortly after you leave the station. I don't believe that was one of the ride's block sections, but once heard that the original station was supposed to be longer with zones for loading and unloading, thus allowing the ride to accommodate 3-4 trains. I also seem to recall seeing a third train Premeir train in storage and that the ride was originally supposed to have three. Any truth to that? - There was a kicker wheel just before trains crested the hill into the drop after the post-lift hill dip. I'd heard from many folks over the years state that the first train ever tested valleyed in that dip with all the park executives watching from the Eifel Tower. Did that happen? - Any idea why they never built tunnels into the ride ala its predecessor? - Also remember reading that SOB was the world's largest wooden structure and that it held a record for crossing over and under itself more times than any coaster. Did they ever promote it with those records? If you have any insight, I'd love to hear it! What an aesthetically pleasing ride it was. I originally thought it was odd that the lift hill was the only thing you could see, like it was just a massive wooden blob. Then you boarded the train and pulled out to see that loop in the distance. So darn cool. And at the top of the hill—everything out in the distance looked insane. And it was. Because the ride was never all that fun. But darn it looked good. Also enjoyed how the first drop ran parallel to the loop, making people think that the loop would happen first.
  43. 6 points
    McSalsa

    Does Kings Island need a giga?

    We actually do have some data for Kings Island attendance- thanks to the TEA Reports. 2018 isn't posted yet from them, and some do question how accurate these reports are (Stuff like KI beating out parks like Magic Mountain or Great Adventure- which are in 2 MASSIVE markets- was suspicious to some), but I decided to check them out since they are really the only source I could think of. The reports for KI go back to 2007. I got the numbers from this page on Wikipedia, but TEA was used as the OG source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amusement_park_rankings#North_America Here is how Kings Island did year-by-year, I also list what big new attractions were added, if any: 2007- Firehawk: 3,050,000 (2006 Data Unknown) 2008- Cedar Fair Re-Themes and Forwards Racer (No New Rides): 3,126,000 (+76,000) (+2.49%) 2009- Diamondback: 3,000,000 (-126,000: Recession Seen As Part of Drop) (-4%) 2010- Planet Snoopy & Boo Blasters: 3,112,000 (+112,000) (+3.7%) 2011- WindSeeker/Dinos: 3,143,000 (+31,000) (+0.9%) 2012- Soak City Retheme/Expansion: 3,206,000 (+63,000) (+2%) 2013- Reds HOF Grille (No New Rides): 3,206,000 (+0) (+0%) 2014- Banshee: 3,238,000 (+32,000) (+0.9%) 2015- Woodstock Gliders & Snoopy Space Buggies: 3,335,000 (+97,000) (+2.99%) 2016- Tropical Plunge: 3,384,000 (+49,000) (+1.4%) 2017- Mystic Timbers/Winterfest: 3,469,000 (+85,000) (+2.5%) Decade (2007 vs. 2017): +419,000 (+13.7%) If attendance did drop in 2018 (which it may have for KI- Cedar Fair themselves seem to hint at this- but the TEA report hasn't come out for 2018 yet), it will have been the first since 2009 (which was the only "down" year until 2018 under Cedar Fair). Of the coasters, not counting Firehawk because 2006 data isn't available so we can't see what kind of effect it had, Mystic Timbers saw the biggest jump with a 2.5% increase. Though that also came paired with the much hyped return of Winterfest- and a extension of the operating season. Banshee saw only a 0.9% increase, but that same year Kentucky Kingdom re-opened and that park got about 500,000 guests, and I have to figure at least a few of those were Louisville area locals who went to KK instead of KI (possibly even up to 50,000?). Diamondback ironically saw a BIG 4% drop, in spite of it being one of the most popular rides in the park in the past decade. Though the fact it opened in a bad year for the economy probably didn't help at all. What I find really shocking though is what years did the best in terms of attendance increase. A few may have claimed that Snoopy replacing Nickelodeon was a bad move in 2010, but apparently no one cared too much because a whopping 3.7% increase in attendance happened that year. Pretty impressive, especially if you consider there were no new rides, as Planet Snoopy was just a re-theme (even Boo Blasters was really just a de-themed Scooby Doo and the Haunted Castle at its core). The economy was also better in 2010 versus 2009 though, so I guess a lot of people suddenly had some money for once and wanted to go back to KI as well. Probably also to check out Diamondback, as I bet a lot of people missed it in 2009, and coasters typically remain draws for many years if they are good. Heck- The Beast probably still has decent "drawing power", and it is turning 40! 2015 was also a huge year. Add a $24 million B&M Invert KI fans have been asking for the past few years- get a 0.9% attendance increase. One year later, add some kids rides (granted one was also a "return" of a KI Classic, the Flying Eagles) for probably about $1 million tops and...AN ALMOST 3% INCREASE!?!? Yeah, totally not a drop as may have been expected. Stuff like this is probably why Cedar Fair is probably gonna start doing more smaller additions to its big, developed parks more often and not do huge coasters as much. Also, based on this, I am expecting a decent attendance boost from the Antique Cars in 2019. Family rides seem to be big draws for KI in the past decade. I expect more of them in the near future, after the rumored but likely 2020 B&M. Also worth noting though- Kings Island has been around the 3 million attendance mark for a while now. When Vortex was added in 1987, Kings Island saw its first 3,000,000 guest season and while 2017 may be the current record-holder, I recall reading somewhere that prior to 2017, 2004 was one of the best years for attendance as it had around 3.4 million guests as well, and have also heard there were some years in the 90's like 1999 doing almost this much as well. At best, I think a Giga might get KI past 3.5 million (since MT and Winterfest got the park close at 3.469m as long as the 2018 drop isn't too huge), but not by much as Kings Island does seem to attract about as many guests as it can already. But a Giga could also very likely be marketed for at least 3+ years, probably even 5+ the way Diamondback was during the years leading up to Banshee, allowing the park to focus on smaller, cheaper things like improvements, flat rides, and waterpark additions while Cedar Fair spends its big money on its other parks that actually do still show they have room to grow, like Carowinds.
  44. 6 points
    Outdoor Man

    International street makeover

    I like how they didn't need a "fence" to tell people to not go in to the fountain- and a tall fence to keep people out of the yard in front of The Racer. Almost like people used to know that sort of thing... and we have to be told today.
  45. 6 points
    I love this article and what it covers. Being a coaster enthusiast all boils down to one simple thing: sharing a love for roller coasters. I shared the link to the article on Facebook when I first found it, complete with my detailed novel on this whole thing. I copied and pasted my thoughts that I shared so you all can see it too. ”This is a very insightful article about what the coaster enthusiast community has become and what its underlying purpose should always be. I consider myself a coaster enthusiast just because I love roller coasters and know a lot about them (and even work at one)! But I also do not care about how many credits I have, nor do I rank my coasters. I have a lot of favorites so I end up “grouping” my credits into categories based on my interest in them and how often I would ride them. I take lots of pictures/videos of coasters and I share them, but I don’t widely publicize them. I enjoy coasters in the present moment and do not care to worry about any coaster rumors (specifically rumors about an operating coaster’s possible demise), which more often than not has jeopardized my enjoyment of them in the present. I have many unconventional opinions and views, as I find the fun in coasters that are often overlooked, overshadowed, and in many cases overhated. I appreciate the under appreciated rides that the most popular, attention-showered rides often steal from them. Don’t get me wrong, the highest/fastest/smoothest coasters are AMAZING too and they definitely derserve the attention they get, but I believe other coasters in their own ways deserve just as much love or at least some appreciation for especially the more historically significant coasters. I am a big fan of Arrow coasters (and proudly say that Vortex is my favorite ride) for this very reason, as I have found them to be very fun despite the infamous reputation that many of them have. They may be “too rough” or “too jerky” or “un-reridable” for a number of enthusiasts and GP alike, but there are just as many people who love them and even believe that the Arrow coasters’ characteristic jerkiness adds to the fun (and I am one of those people!). Everyone has their uniquely different opinions and preferences on different kinds of coasters and rides, and such a diverse plethora of opinions, experiences, and preferences should be embraced in the coaster enthusiast community, regardless of ratings, rankings, or whether it’s the biggest and (supposedly) the best. All that matters is that coaster enthusiasts can and should be able to call themselves so simply because of their shared love for roller coasters! Regardless of what constitutes the best kind of coaster for your liking, GET OUT THERE AND HAVE FUN!!”
  46. 6 points
    Yes....I get opinions on rides...but not every person has the same opinions on rides and no one should fault another person for liking a ride that they may not.
  47. 6 points
    sixohdieselrage

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    First half, B&M track. Second half, Intamin. And backwards cars. That wraps around the Eiffel Tower. Then turns into a Dive Coaster. Diving into the Royal Fountains. Afterwords, you will he sent into MT's shed, where the drop track will take you to China. The final bit will involve travelling at 900mph in the sky, passing up even Boeing 767's, back to the station. LOL
  48. 6 points
    CoastersRZ

    The Giga Speculation Thread

    And as stated in the conference call, they will still make large additions like coasters, they are just going to space them out more, and leverage their current collection of rides more and fill in between with more economical attractions/special events. I think most on here would agree that Cedar Fair has done a great job in updating Kings Island`s infrastructure over the last decade plus of their ownership.
  49. 6 points
    Honorarius

    Does Kings Island need a giga?

    If people aren't coming for their current lineup, adding a Giga isn't going to move the needle as much as you think it is...
  50. 6 points
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