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  1. 34 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Uhh. Look what I found. I haven't seen this posted yet. City of Mason is nice! If someone else has posted this, let me know.
  2. 23 points
    JCoaster25

    Decoding 2020

    OK, I'm back with fun screenshots!!! Like I said before, I'm far from the first person here to show off some NL2 concepts, BUT I figured it would be cool to put the coaster approximately where it's gonna go alongside some of my other KI coasters I've built to try and show a decent sense of scale of just how big this ride will be. All of these screens were grabbed at walking height at various vantage points along Coney Mall as well as behind the scenes. I think this coaster will be incredibly fun after visualizing it a bit better. I didn't overlay the blueprint into the map, so the exact footprint may be off in a few places, but I think I got it pretty freaking close. Enjoy! Also for those curious, my coaster is 5,333 feet long. EDIT: Got all my screenshots in! Aproaching X-Base from Coney Mall. This thing will absolutely dwarf Racer. And yes I did paint it it’s original colors. Your view waiting for the front seat perhaps? The Eiffel Tower view. Not the clearest screenshot, but it certainly shows how this will look with the rest of the park! This view would be from behind the maintenance barn. Definitely most looking forward to this first drop! Banking at the top of the turnaround is about 110 degrees. This helix should be really pretty! Just picture an entrance sign right in front of you. =)
  3. 23 points
    TristinTargaryen

    Decoding 2020

    Honestly, with how ungrateful a lot of people are acting about this, I think you guys need to be reminded how fortunate KI is to get a coaster every three years. Do any of you remember the fact that the other parks like Dorney, Michigan’s Adventure, and World’s of Fun haven’t gotten anything of note in several years? KI is very spoiled to get so many new coasters in such a short time span, especially considering it’s proximity to Cedar Point. And the fact that they’ve added so much more to the park besides the coasters(like all the refurbishments this year), is something that not every park gets. Some of you need to grow up and realize that you can’t just have a 9,000ft coaster because you want it. Everyone’s been demanding a giga for years, and now you’ve finally gotten one but you’re going to complain it’s not good enough. Not to mention how disrespectful it is to the park itself that went out of their way to request this from Cedar Fair in the first place.
  4. 23 points
    Banding Banshee

    Decoding 2020

    Great find @sixohdieselrage. Just left mason city hall and here are some more pics of the plans.
  5. 21 points
    medford

    Decoding 2020

    What if I told you that most people already consider KI a major thrill park?
  6. 21 points
    silver2005

    Decoding 2020

    I honestly hope after this, KI moves away from building new coasters at the rate they've been. I'd like to see some more creative flats or a decent dark ride, spruce up the non-coaster line up.
  7. 20 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    A bit more analysis of the blueprints. It's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing any pics confirming it... the trains are definitely 8 cars long. There are 8 clear separate queue lines in the station, with the front seat and back seat having its own queue line. There is also an elevator on the exit side (no surprise here, but wanted to mention it). In the queue line, there are multiple locations of "FUN TV" (yellow, below) and mister fans (blue, below). There were some talks about what's inside the new prop building. Per these prints, there is no planned electrical or plumbing inside of there. There's indication of some lights just outside of the prop building, but nothing going on inside, and no large footings suggesting this building is anything substantial. I expect it'll be some simple structural building decor. There are planned "DMX lighting" locations along the entire length of the coaster, particularly near all high points. If you're not familiar with DMX lights, no, unfortunately X is not gunna give it to ya...DMX lights are just network-controlled lights. Looks like each high point will have a light shining upwards, highlighting the track and supports, even in the back turnaround near The Beast. With them being DMX lights, they might have the ability to change the color on the fly instead of just plain white all the time. Something to look forward to. Finally, I'm going to update my lift height number to 296'. I found the below note on the original blueprints, and the 740' is also the elevation around the entire station area. Max height of 1035.9' minus this 740' elevation gives us a height of 296'. I've suggested this below, but now I'm noticing that the blueprints are calling out this particular height as "zero". Yes, the crest of the lift is still ~286' above the ground directly below it, but it looks like the project's zero height is around the station, which would give us a height of 296'. (MSL is "mean sea level") Updated estimates: --296' tall --301' drop --81deg drop --5089' long
  8. 20 points
    Bansheeback

    Decoding 2020

    After seeing the new blueprints, I was able to go up to city hall, obtain the blueprints, and get them scanned. Here are the full resolution, digital copies of the new blueprints. http://bit.ly/kipx2020
  9. 20 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

  10. 19 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    I went back into my CAD models to see what I could figure out about the drop angle. Long story short, I'm going to say it's 81deg, possibly 80deg. Anything more than 81 just doesn't line up with what the blueprints give us. In a new CAD model, I laid the overhead image down and created construction points at top of lift (1035.9' point), bottom of first drop (735' point), and all lift footings, including the backbone beginning and end. On a plane perpendicular to this, I laid in the blueprint image of the lift hill. With the drop's bottom being the lowest point in this local area (at an elevation of 735'), I made this my Z zero height. Per the footing coordinates, the backbone footing beginning is about 8' above zero, the backbone footing end is about 13' above zero, and the ground directly below the lift crest is about 15' above zero. Using these 3 points, and the silhouette lines of the support columns on the lift blueprint, I can accurately place and scale the lift hill image to the overhead image. In conjunction to this, using the construction point at the drop bottom (where the 735' height is), I estimated the backbone thickness at 4', I can estimate where the drop backbone is and the track pulling away from it. Laying this out in a sketch and adjusting the backbone angle until it "looks right", an angle of 81deg gets me closest to matching the geometry of Fury and Levi (a drop of 80deg also looks pretty similar too). An angle of 82deg or more introduces in a 'jog' of sorts between the drop and the pullout, where it just doesn't look right. A drop of 85deg definitely is not possible. Here's the overhead image I used: Here's a somewhat isometric image of my sketches: Here's a perpendicular image, showing the 81deg: Here's a silhouette image of the lift's support structure:
  11. 19 points
    DiamondBanshee

    Decoding 2020

    I feel like this is a good place to update this and bring it back up Edit: This is not for me, but what I feel is the overwhelming feeling of this thread at the moment Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. 18 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    More I look at this, this won't be a DB 2.0. Almost every single turn on here, the safety boundary around the track overlaps the track itself, suggesting very steep banking. Some of these look overbanked, certainly at 90deg+, but hard to say at the moment. The trains will be flying thru every turn. Below are turns in order with very steep banking.
  13. 17 points
    ethancoaster

    Decoding 2020

    Sorry for low quality pics, OneDrive isn’t working on my PC so I can’t screenshot at the moment. However, I’ve been working on a recreation in Planet Coaster. This is the ride profile:
  14. 17 points
    thatguyfromohio

    Decoding 2020

    A to scale layout. I think it’s gonna be bigger than we expect. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. 17 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    All I can think about right now [emoji23] Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  16. 17 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    My guess is, there's a need to raise the floor above grade.
  17. 16 points
  18. 16 points
    supertrooper

    Decoding 2020

    I realize it comes off sounding like an entitled brat to say that I'm disappointed, but I am disappointed. Yeah, it's a giga, but just barely. And I wouldn't even mind the height if the layout looked a little more inspired, but I don't see anything interesting about it. Yeah, yeah, I know: "Don't ride it then. One less person in line for me. Blah blah blah". I'll ride it, and I'll probably enjoy it, but it just seems like a waste of potential.
  19. 16 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

    I feel like if the official height is under 300ft we'll be roasted by the amusement park community
  20. 15 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    This looks good! Still working on my concept. Working with overlays and everything to get it perfected. Still ... I love this coaster. It’s gonna be so much fun! It’s all about perspective. Is it a record breaker? Noo. But will it be wicked?! Big time!
  21. 15 points
    Reesesp56

    Decoding 2020

    I cope with humor
  22. 15 points
    JubJester

    Decoding 2020

    I don't know why I bother reading this thread. Half of the people are complaining about a ride that hasn't even began to be built yet. Everyone had there heart set on a giga, that they think everything else is a complete failure. Who said it was going to be a giga? If it is a hyper, it's still going to draw people in. 95 percent of the people at the parks aren't going to be upset if it if its 15 feet short. Giga is just a word. If it's a great ride, who the heck cares? It doesn't need to be a giga to be a great ride. Give it a rest.
  23. 15 points
    beastfan11

    Decoding 2020

    I’ve never in my life encountered a group of folks who complain this much about a (now) non existent roller coaster. There’s a lot more to life than Giga coasters and record setting. Chill.
  24. 15 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    Like these? Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  25. 15 points
    JCoaster25

    Decoding 2020

    Rebar for some of the footers are on site. Just got off Adventure Express and saw them by the rectangle gravel plot by Blue Racer. I’ll post a pic here in a minute. EDIT: Here you go. Not the best pic (digital zoom), but you can see them sitting in the grass on the left there. DOUBLE EDIT: a concrete mixer truck just showed up.
  26. 14 points
    KIghostguy

    Decoding 2020

    Yes, it's labeled as a Quonset hut on another sheet and is listed as being filed separately from Project X. Since it appears both Fast Lane and the regular line are routed through it, it apparently must have something pretty important inside.
  27. 14 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Exactly. You kind of indirectly nailed it here. A giga is your one shot to build something incredible, and loads of people feel like this has been full of missed opportunities so far. KI will likely never get anything higher than 300 feet ever again, or at least not soon enough that it’s even worth mentioning. If it was an RMC, we would probably all be happy right now regardless of what it was. Gigas have a reputation for being the record breakers, the precedent-setters, the bar-uppers. On paper it looks like this doesn’t do any of that, and that’s why people are bummed - especially when you consider the size of the plot of land and the topography KI had to work with. As a footnote, being bummed about the product that KI is getting ready to deliver to earn our dollars is in no way spoiled. This is not a birthday present - it is a product, and products are criticized all the time.
  28. 14 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    If you look at exiting the helix and below the first drop, the track and clearance envelope is dashed. My first thoughts is that is where the tunnel is.
  29. 14 points
    markhudson17

    Decoding 2020

    First time logging into the forums in about 5 years, just to post that this coaster will be the best at the park. Wish I wasn't so far from Mason, as I'd get the blueprints myself just to frame and hang in my office
  30. 14 points
    JCoaster25

    Decoding 2020

    Sure! The cylindrical molds for the footers have been placed in the ground around part of the gravel plot. Concrete is being poured as we speak. This is really interesting because if this is where the transfer shed is going or something similar, the supposed leaked plans for the full layout aren’t accurate since they show it on the other side of Flight of Fear. Things are getting interesting.
  31. 13 points
    JCoaster25

    Decoding 2020

    Not to add yet another NL2 rendition into the mix lol, but after building the track layout myself, I honestly see this as potentially being one of the more forceful gigas (for B&M standards anyways). I've got the train hitting the brake run at around 40 mph, and each of the hills are pulling as much as -0.3 Gs. Plus, short as it may be, it seems to have a better flow than Leviathan in my opinion. Also it'll look absolutely gigantic in its location. Track layout is finished. I'll post some screenshots when I finish the supports.
  32. 13 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

    Everyone stop what you're doing and listen to this guy, he knows what's up. *The thumbnail is misleading to get more views so take that with a grain of salt.
  33. 13 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    This is a decoding thread not a mod give you the answer thread. Happy Decoding!
  34. 13 points
    Ben43065

    Decoding 2020

    The company that made the Banshee sign has been contracted by the park (Per the Notice of commencement)
  35. 13 points
    McSalsa

    Decoding 2020

    I would be OK with grey track, as long as it has blue supports. See the color scheme Afterburn @ Carowinds has (I like this paint job): (Image From Wikipedia) I would probably still prefer the reverse (Blue Track and Silver Supports) though. Also, dang I missed a LOT today. I guess that "leaked" layout was legit, which matches the clearing and everything. While the stats could be better, I feel I have ridden enough coasters already to realize stats are not everything (Mystic Timbers is awesome, and it didn't break a single record. Neither did Maverick.). And a 301-foot drop just barley beats out Millennium Force, which is a whopper of a drop anyhow, and while this coaster isn't going to be as long as Millennium Force, the elements are probably gonna be much better (Millennium Force is basically 90% overbanked turns with 2 giant airtime hills that give OK-to-good airtime and then 1 awesome speed ejector airtime hill) while this coaster is probably gonna have a much more feature-packed layout (with various overbanked airtime hills and such). Even if it just evens out and we get a coaster that is as good as Millennium Force, that is still one heck of a addition to KI's lineup (and could still be the best ride in the park). And the 3rd major ground-up coaster added in just 6 years. Very few parks can make the same claim: Cedar Point itself can only claim that if you count Steel Vengeance, which was not fully ground-up (but did cost a lot I have heard).
  36. 13 points
    ohiocoasterfan

    Decoding 2020

    I think this thing will be amazing. The first overbanked hill you will be flying through. Diamondback has a 215 foot drop and its first hill is 193. This has a 301 foot drop and the first hill is 181. That turnaround is going to be really interesting to see and massive at 188 feet. For comparison, Fury’s horseshoe turnaround is 153 feet and leviathan is 147 foot hammerhead turn. There might be a headchopper element as well as it passes back under the track. The final helix/ampersand will be interesting as well but not as tall as I was expecting. I’ve read that shambhala’s ampersand is beautiful but not that forceful. Maybe this is smaller but more forceful. This thing is going to be all about speed and banked turns. Should be a world class coaster in our backyard!
  37. 13 points
    New Horizons

    Decoding 2020

    thank you for saying this. im so sick of people thinking we cant be critical of this coaster. im a paying customer ( and i pay way more than the average pass holder) and im disappointed so far by this layout. i dont owe KI anything and KI isnt building this out of the goodness of their hearts. that being said i am still excited for it but very cautiously optimistic
  38. 13 points
    SOBwasaSOB

    Decoding 2020

    It's a business, not my pal. I do not owe KI or CF anything (except what's left on the balance of my 2 platinum passes for my wife and I). I am not bound to be loyal to them and never criticize them by any means. I am reserving judgement until I ride this roller coaster, but it looks very disappointing to me.
  39. 13 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    Will do entire coaster in no limits tonight. I’ll post findings tomorrow or ASAP!
  40. 13 points
    Zdiddy

    Decoding 2020

    I dont understand the underwhelmed comments. This is going to be one of, if not THE, best roller coasters in the world. Has Cedar Fair added a bad or underwhelming roller coaster to KI since they've owned it? No. And this will be the best yet!
  41. 13 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Sorry guys. I feel like a spoiled it. Oops. LOL
  42. 13 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    Hard to read (need better pics!), but I think this lists top height of lift at 1065' (elevation height, not ride height), and bottom of drop is at 735', giving us a drop height of 330'. Need a better view of the 10xx' number, but I'm guessing it's 1065'.
  43. 13 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Oh, here are more. I'll upload better this evening, unless someone beats me to it. Architects, we can now see their "top of lift" marker on here.
  44. 13 points
    JubJester

    Decoding 2020

    First things I saw opening this thread, lol.
  45. 13 points
    presto123

    Decoding 2020

    Disappointed. I was hoping for a longer backrest. lol
  46. 12 points
    Maddog

    Decoding 2020

    Yeah I noted a few pages back, but any discussion about the actual ride and various interesting elements have been lost in all this non-decoding crap discussion. Maybe we should make a different thread about "your disappointment", "you shouldn't feel entitled", "Cedar Fair will never upstage Cedar Point at KI", "KI is going downhill", "KI is no longer worth my money" that this thread is devolving into... I'd like to discuss with people who want to geek out on the fine details in the plans. Maybe I'll stop back tomorrow when things die down.
  47. 12 points
    Jallie79

    Decoding 2020

    I guess I'm the sole enthusiast on the planet that could care less about stats. MT is my no 2 wooden coaster (The Beast gets the top spot for nostalgic reasons alone, it was my first coaster.) We all can agree that the stats for Mystic are less than exciting. Still an amazing ride. When CP opened Mean Streak, it was the tallest, fastest wooden coaster on the planet. No where near the ride that Mystic is. So bigger isn't always better. This could quite possibly be the best steel coaster on the planet. We won't know untill we ride it. I will still purchase passes next year. I will still visit the park. I will be in line for the opening of this coaster. If it sucks, probably won't ride again. Just won't know till I pull down the restraint and physically ride. No announcement, POV or stat sheet will sway me one way or the other untill then Sorry for the long post. Lol
  48. 12 points
    pkiknex25

    Decoding 2020

    You nailed it. This is not gonna be DB2.0. And thanks for making and sharing those pictures, because it just saved me some work. I wanted to share my thoughts on some of the elements on this coaster. I think before with the blurry overview, there was a misconception on what elements would be, and unfortunately, those seem to have stuck with the public. So, I want to give my opinion after seeing these detailed prints. Picture 1: This is not a reverse treble clef. The top point is not on a straight section like it is on Fury, and there's no large gap between banking and turning. I think this turnaround is going to be a non-inverting cross of an overbank and a dive loop. If you can imagine what a normal dive loop would look like from an above view like this, the high point would be very similar to what we see on our blueprint. An element like this would also explain why, from a top view, the turn would appear to get sharper as it decreases in altitude (assumption based on moving away from an early high point). It's not taking a sharp turn, but a steep downward turn. Picture 2: Now this looks really similar to the banked floating hill of Fury's treble cleft. While lacking the full turnaround that helped give Fury's element its name, this will still give us that amazing sideways airtime it's known for. Picture 3: I don't think this will be the ampersand we see on Shambhala. It actually looks really similar to the helix on Apollo's Chariot. We have the entrance low point (745 ft) at the very start of the turn, and it seems that the curve is getting consistently tighter until we hit the top point (854 ft) nearly 360 degrees later. We then quickly drop while turning 135 degrees where we hit the bottom (747.5 ft) after leveling and straightening out. Now at 110 feet from low to high, I can see a little bit of ampersand influence, but if this were to be more like Shambhala's, I'd have expected to see the high point be closer to the middle of the helix. I expect something closer to Apollo's helix. Of course, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this as well. That's the point of discussion afterall.
  49. 12 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    You know... it would make a ton of sense for them to name a "possible" new coaster "Shooting Star." It actually works on multiple levels... a nod to history, fits the Coney/XBase space theme etc etc etc. If it ran with 2 trains... (unlikely, but maybe...) Polaris and Orion. Just sayin'...
  50. 12 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    That’s an excellent question. It all depends on how much they modified the land post tree removal. Based on the terrain, pre-tree removal, I found it hard to get the coaster to a 310 ft drop. if this image is to be taken into account, it looks like they “smoothed” the grade from the “north section” of Dinosaurs Alive Path to the ravine. If this is indeed the case, I can see another 10-20 ft added to the drop. So it is entirely possible this coaster has a 323 ft drop as the name Polaris may indicate (being 323 light years away from Earth). Unfortunately, it is more likely the coaster is 285 ft tall with a 301 ft drop (Kings Island will call it a giga still) then it would be 305 ft tall with a 323 ft drop. (This is assuming the lift and drop is identical in shape to fury and is scaled by some factor to “fit it” to the “proper” height. I can go over the math if you’d like, lol However, if this is the steepest giga at 85 degrees we can easily get a 305-315 ft tall coaster with a 315+ ft drop. Considering we will see the lift construction first, before the rest of the coaster takes shape (based on the permit drawings) we will know a LOT more about this coaster in the next 2 months.
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