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  1. I don’t want to start anything, but this is an extremely rude response. With this response, it seems like YOU are trying to start something. If anything, @KIghostguy’s critique are just an example of how much he cares about Kings Island. He, like many of us, know that the park has the potential to be better than it is currently, and he was just giving constructive criticism. Kings Island has some theming among other things that they have let go in recent years. He was just calling the park out because he knows the park can do better and wants to see the park do better. I agree with him 100%. Also, people have different reasons to visit the park. Many go to ride rides, but a lot of people just go to walk around, take everything in, and watch a show. A lot of people only go to eat a meal. We don’t need to poke fun at people at reasons for visiting the park. Heck, @KIghostguy never said that he only went to Kings Island to look at theming. You just assumed that. Even if he did, so what?
    17 points
  2. Ah! I put this together with my supervisor, thank you for taking a picture, I can't go up in the tower during work, I'm glad it turned out clean! Here are some progress pictures:
    17 points
  3. 2nd drop paint job was posted on KI FB page found here: https://www.facebook.com/visitkingsisland/photos/a.226729858367/10161524564638368/ This looks nothing short of amazing. Credit: KingsIslandPR
    16 points
  4. Look how much is being done!!! https://www.visitkingsisland.com/blog/2021/december/beast-of-a-project-this-winter-at-kings-island
    15 points
  5. We just got an update on The Racer Repaint at Kings Island for the 50th anniversary. I don't know about you, but this already looks AMAZING! BLOG POST: https://www.visitkingsisland.com/blog/2022/march/bringing-back-original-color-scheme-on-the-racer
    15 points
  6. 14 points
  7. I just got off The Beast. I am more than impressed with the changes. Going into the first tunnel you actually feel laterals. And the Helix feels like you're going another 10 miles an hour smooth as butter with major laterals there as well. Awesome job Gravity Group. They brought a new life to The Beast. Thank you KI!
    14 points
  8. Soul = Ghost = Resurrection Son of Phantom Beast RMC Theatre confirmed. See y’all on media day.
    14 points
  9. I love the new decals on the International Street trashcans. Only saw one so far.
    14 points
  10. Well, the cat is finally out of the bag! Join me and @DonHelbig as we partner with The Attractions Group to bring to you The Attractions Group Podcast! We will be discussing the latest amusement industry trends and news while expressing our own commentary on today's theme park market! You can follow us now on your Youtube and your favorite podcast app! Follow the link below to follow us and to hear a short teaser: https://attractionsgrouppodcast.podbean.com Please note that we are considering the first few months of the podcast to be a beta as we play with the format. The official launch will be around November. Thanks in advance for your support!
    13 points
  11. I for one would not be excited for this. We already have a Festhaus, which isn't being used to it's full potential. I would much rather see the sky ride return or something akin to Der Spinning Keggers, or some form of flat ride for that part of the park. Currently, it is the ride desert of the park. Only boasting Adventure Express, the park really doesn't have anything to write home about. I for one would be very excited if we saw something like a "reimagined Oktoberfest" renovation like we did with Action Zone a few years ago. German flair in all of the restaurants, an actual biergarten that isn't choked by beer sales inside of the Festhaus, the sky ride, der spinning keggers in the plot behind the Coke Marketplace. We have so much potential under the new management with both CF and KI, who wants to flesh out their areas; so I'm not saying it's too far fetched.
    13 points
  12. How you’re hearing this from me and not from the news media is beyond me.
    12 points
  13. As a certain member (who hasn't been active here in several years) would say, yes, someone has seen it (those who have been here a while will get the reference )
    12 points
  14. Racer paint job is getting close.
    12 points
  15. Favorite pic so far today.
    12 points
  16. He acknowledged the photos but also basically stated the park is not ready to discuss anything about retracking work, and would share more information later. Gravity Group did a presentation and they confirmed they are working on The Beast but said nothing about what they are doing on the project. Overall not a lot.
    12 points
  17. I am at the ACE holiday party. Don has confirmed that the park is planning on going retro with the paint on Racer, it is planned to be red, white, and blue.
    12 points
  18. As much as I enjoy park improvements like ride repaints, those are part of basic infrastructure upkeep. Park improvements are great, but they cannot replace a new attraction. Park improvements should be ongoing regardless of a new attraction opening. Also, I love that Kings Island introduced many great entertainment offerings for this year. This may be controversial, but in my opinion, new shows cannot replace new attractions. A new show just does not attract people like a new ride. Think about Kings Mills Antique Autos. The media ran multiple stories when Kings Island announced the new ride in 2019. I haven’t seen many new news stories about Phantom Theatre Encore, though. A new show simply cannot be marketed like a a new attraction.
    11 points
  19. I visited CGA about 20 years ago. My first, and only, time (so far) seeing the park in person. I knew that it was surrounded by corporate buildings, but I was still shocked at just how shoe-horned it was. It is literally surrounded on 3 sides by an office park, and then a residential area on the other. It was obvious then that the park had no where to grow. Frankly, its a wonder this hasn't happened sooner. Its always fought battle after battle due to its location - especially with the 49'ers stadium adjacent. I hate to see the loss of a long-standing park, but can also understand how it makes financial sense. That land is like sitting on gold. I cant imagine that the 49'ers will not have some say as to how much developing the new land owners can do... they share the parking lot with PGA. P.S. - Count me on the side of not wanting any cast-off rides from CGA relocated to KI. I'd rather see them go to other parks. That having been said - send their flyers to Carowinds, and bring our Eagles back. Now THAT would make me happy.
    11 points
  20. Bring back Der Spinnen Keggers. Loved that one.
    11 points
  21. KICentral was started back in 2003 by Dane Thomas as a dedicated website to host pictures he took at Kings Island. Fast forward to 2022, KICentral is still a very active forum and continues to add to its main site the park news, and document the history of Kings Island. Media Director Brad Perdue for KICentral spent hundreds of hours over the last few years updating and reformatting the site's historical timeline (thanks to the help from KI historian members) and updating other pages on the main site. He continues to add thousands of pictures to its picture galleries every season so KICentral has a good collection of Kings Island history documented in picture format. KICentral is a unique park website as it not only has an extensive collection of past park history, but continues to document Kings Island as events and changes happen in real-time. After KIE decided to close the doors on KIExtreme, they were gracious enough to share with us their collection of pictures and park audio they called KITunes. KICentral has now built a page with the KITunes audio files and they can be found on our main site under the Park History menu called Past & Present Park Audio. https://kicentral.com/parkhistory/past-present-park-audio/. We have imported all of the pictures as well, but being such an extensive collection it will take us some time to integrate them into the active galleries you see on our main site. If you have old pictures or audio files you wish to share with KIC, you can submit them here: https://kicentral.com/kic-photo-submission/ KICentral thanks every one of you for your continued support of our website and your contribution to the forums!
    11 points
  22. To whoever the gentleman in the glasses with the Cedar Point straps is that was waiting in line for The Beast, you're my hero. Early in the day I had kids sprinting past me in line and I was angry at myself for not reacting quick enough to call out the line jumpers. You, however, were ready. 4 men tried to cut all the way to the front of The Beast and you confronted them. They told you to F off and you guaranteed them you would make sure they did not get on the ride. Sure enough, as they were boarding the ride security came and pulled them out. You did us park goers proud and so did security. I stopped into guest services to let them know how swift and professional security was.
    11 points
  23. As noted on the park's website, White Water Canyon along with Soak City Water Park will open for the 2022 season May 28. A new map will be uploaded then.
    11 points
  24. Look at all these banners lining the pathway to the entrance! https://twitter.com/KingsIslandPR/status/1511849011296276482/photo/1
    11 points
  25. Looks like the old western town will be getting a new lease on life. https://www.visitkingsisland.com/blog/2022/march/k.i.--miami-valley-railroad-part-of-kings-islands-ride-refurbishment-program-for-50th-anniversary-season?fbclid=IwAR30-nKfu910wXC5ZsmSawOd3d6QHi9ToeNhd-V8E8mEIT1vv0AXFkEBIok
    11 points
  26. I am honestly more excited for the park this year with all of the improvements than if they were getting a new ride. Kings Island will look great this season.
    11 points
  27. It would be really nice if they planted some trees around the drops of DB. It would be really nice diving down into a forest, rather then diving down into barren space.
    11 points
  28. The budget was $31 million. Yes, they had to work within it, but they had enough money to do what you said. Like I said, it was a choice. The length is because they thought that this layout proposal had the best pacing. You might think it's dumb, but that is the reasoning. Why should I believe it? Because I sat across a table from Mike Koontz and was looking him in the eyes when he was telling me this. It lines up with his vision for the park. It was corroborated by other people I interviewed. And why do you think they would lie about this and not anything else I talked about in the book? People can misremember...but I do not believe any of the people I interviewed lied to me. I do believe that people should feel however they want to about stuff that gets built, but the notion that Cedar Fair is purposely making Kings Island worse off or that they purposely cheapened out on Orion just isn't supported by any known facts. The management teams at both the park and corporate levels adore Kings Island, its history, and its legacy, and are committed to investing into the park and making it the best it can be. I just wish that love had translated into the 50th Anniversary logo!
    11 points
  29. He will (thank goodness!) continue his responsibilities at KI but will take on a bigger chain-wide role with festivals. Congrats, Chef! Well deserved! https://www.linkedin.com/posts/james-d-major-prochef-ii-265ba39_fun-activity-6853465147348959232-7QJO
    11 points
  30. We can use this thread to talk about general 2022 discussions.
    10 points
  31. I hope Jess Naderman will eventually (someday) fill a lead position at KI. She and I started on Beast crew together in 1999.... now she's the Director of Operations at Dorney. (Following stints as the Dir of Ops at Valleyfair, Asst GM at Schlitterbaun etc ) She's a gem, and going places. Id love for her to come full circle.
    10 points
  32. Marketing will always pitch something new, after all that is a large part of their job. I think only a diehard/blindly loyal (depending on your view ), fan would call maintenance/general improvements an addition, and I doubt most would specifically notice such things at all. A new food item is just a new product for sale. A new show is nice, but shows are everchanging and new shows are expected on a regular basis. @BrowntggrrRegarding cost of the expenditures, I understand that in part. However, it doesn't hold up particularly well after a closer look. The closest parallel is probably after Diamondback in 2009 (most expensive investment in park history at time). Even in a terrible recession, Cedar Fair still invested in the park in two out of four years (2011 and 2012). After Banshee in 2014, (more expensive than Diamondback), there were additions in 2015, 2016, and a new coaster in Mystic Timbers in 2017. Only then was there a year off in 2018. Starting with 2018 there have been additions in 2 out of 6 years. Over park history this was not done either. Paramount built 4 adult coasters and a family coaster and never took a year off. Never before through any ownership were there consecutive years without additions and it appears we are about to hit three straight years. I know Kings Island gets more investment than most Cedar Fair parks, but there has been a good reason for that. This very well may be a one-off strictly because of financial factors from the pandemic. I'd think though that the park would grow stale to more casual park-goers after consecutive years without additions. I hope this is just a deviation and not the new norm.
    10 points
  33. Imagine something like this: Now just choose what dishes to serve lol Source for pic: https://www.frankenmuth.org/directory/bavarian-inn-restaurant/
    10 points
  34. Beautiful night at the park! Walked on everything.
    10 points
  35. I rode The Bat tonight. Crowds were light because of the rain earlier in the day. It was running both trains and operations seem standard/normal to me. At this point it is like the wheel incident never even happened. Another great job completed by the KI maintenance team.
    10 points
  36. Who remembers this entrance sign?
    10 points
  37. Why are people so in love with a gate coaster? I like that KI doesn’t play all it’s cards up front. You know what’s inside-you don’t need a coaster screaming over the front door to build excitement. If anything I feel it diminishes it. I like that international restaurant is getting a lot more use here of late-pretty much ensuring that if we do get a new entrance experience-they won’t be “opening it up” too much , and we will still get that wonderful compress and release view that Disney and KI mastered so well.
    10 points
  38. It's looked like this for a number of years. They typical store bike racks in this location for parking lot events. (Robbie Knievel, walking/running events, Haunt, etc)
    10 points
  39. This may make some people happy and my a upset some, but I thought I would share anyways. I am a teenage girl, which sounds weird to say, that has always been fascinated by the history of Kings Island. I actually did my huge research project on it! The information this forum has supplied me with for my project and own enjoyment is tremendous. I have gone to Kings Island every weekend since it has opened, and sharing facts from this forum always fascinates who I am with. As a girl who has been watching those Kings Island history videos since I was 6, I have obtained so much info. The first hand accounts and wonderful stories on this forum are something you don’t really see anywhere else. I really won’t allow this forum to go to waste and hope that this is viewed as another generation sharing the history behind this beautiful park.
    10 points
  40. An historic day in KI history, 50 years old today!
    10 points
  41. Not even that, all the improvements they're making around the park! Beast re-track work, 1400+ more feet than Racers work in the 2020-2021 off-season! Multiple ride repaints; Drop Tower, BLSC, Adventure Express, FAAC, and others. Repaving sections of the parking lot. Love seeing all these capital investments!
    10 points
  42. I believe Scooby's Ghoster Coaster holds the distinction of being #2 on the list of shortest operational lifespan of all the coasters designed for KI. The Bat being #1, of course. (Bavarian Beetle actually operated 1 year less than SGC at KI, however it had a 2-year operational life at Cincinnati's Coney Island prior. Also, like Firehawk, it wasn't uniquely designed for KI.) The irony is, both The Bat and Scooby's Ghoster Coaster featured bat-themed cars - and both fell under the "suspended coaster" design moniker. Caipro had built two outdoor single rail coasters prior for parks in Europe. However SGC was their first foray into the US market - and it was their intention to expand to numerous coasters across America and further develop the single rail technology to larger layouts. That didn't happen. Scooby's Ghoster Coaster was plagued with a huge challenge from the start... it was EXTREMELY low capacity. If memory serves me, it only had 3 cars (each holding a max of 2 riders) Its main capacity issue stemmed from the fact that due to KI's operational requirements, a car could not enter the elevator lift until the preceding car had cleared a sensor located about 3/4 of the way through the course. This meant that waits often surpassed an hour even on slow attendance days. It also required an adult rider for kids that fell under a certain height. I cant recall for sure, but I also think that (at least in the early years) adults could only ride with a child. (I personally did not ride it until I was "sent" to help operate the ride and took a spin after hours.) As others have mentioned, the ride had a very abrupt ending - so much so a trim brake was used near the course's final turn to buffer the speed before the final stop. But in addition to the abrupt ending, the coaster also suffered from a jarring effect as a result of the track style. The track had a "fin rail" welded above and below the tube to help control the swinging of the ride. Much like The Bat, that design caused a left/right jerking sensation when the coaster took an unbanked turn. (There was one 90-degree curve that followed the 270-degree turn off the lift where this was most apparent.) Overall, the ride had a very low rating on a multitude of levels - guest satisfaction, enjoyment, capacity etc. Caipro designed one other "Baflyer" for the US (Spellbreaker at Legoland in CA.) That one lasted only 3 years even though it featured a dual track in order to curb the capacity issues SGC faced. Soon after, Caipro fell bankrupt and was bought out by Vekoma. So replacement parts/repair likely became an issue, and no doubt fed into its demise. In 2001, Kings Island invested in another family suspended... ironically made by Vekoma... so that pretty much made SGC obsolete. I've always heard the rumor that SGC was "stored" for a while at the park, which could be true I suppose, however I never saw it with my own eyes. There are pictures online that claim to be the dis-assembled ride in storage, however none of the ones I saw show the unique tubular track design with the rail fins I described above. I do know, however, that the themed bats from the top of the cars were retained and later sold at an in-house auction. At least two are in the hands of a single collector. Finally, the location of Scooby's Ghoster Coaster is always described as the current location of Snoopy's Surf Dog. This is only partially accurate. The facade/entrance to SGC was where the grassy area in front of Surf Dog now is. There is a round games stand that is still located there - and it sat directly behind and to the side of that. Surf Dogs spike - closest to the main midway - is essentially where the track lived. It's final turn circled what is now the Snoopy's vs Red Baron ride, which at the time was called Dick Dastardly's Bi-Planes. When Nick Universe was added, Boo-Boo's Baggage Claim (kiddie tumble bug) was removed and the Bi-Planes were relocated to that spot and re-themed. Fun fact - Adults constantly hit their heads on the wings of the overhead bats when loading/unloading. So much so, signage was added and ops were required to warn them.
    10 points
  43. Some interesting updates, from the KIC Podcast with Brian Kosmac. I highly recommend you listen if you haven't already! I'm mainly here to summarize some of the more interesting parts. For those who don't know, the GG engineered pre-cut track takes the stress of trains flexing the boards, which flexes the nails, which causes the nails to lose their strength over time. That's how those coasters get rough. This track takes the nails out of the equation, it's entirely on the wood. Longer lasting + Much more Powerful = Less Maintenance. Keep in mind it is still wood, so there will be maintenance still of course, but just less of it. This is good news for The Beast and Racer, I could easily see GG getting the opportunity to come back and do more work on these rides in the future. Brian goes into more detail over this in the podcast, so I recommend listening to that. Some interesting things to start off, is The Beasts tunnels are especially cold, so that's fun! The original designers took a very MacGyver approach to the project, Brian noting the turn out of the first tunnel was obviously increased in banking early on, the helix, etc. This of course being due to how it was designed, being so long ago without computers and not a full career of experience like John Allen. It was really interesting to hear Brian's engineering views on the old design practice on Beast vs how it's done today. It seems we may have partial confirmation of part of the in-house re-track; the second drop, which is around 400-ish feet long. Brian mentioned how they, the park, were doing work in that area. Next up, what they're calling "Sycamore Hollow", the area before the midcourse tunnel - or what we now know as the Coon tunnel, and the brake shed, is additionally something the Gravity Group is designing but not directly building. This is the 4 foot raise before the tunnel. Moving the ledgers off of the ground basically. According to Brian, GG "did the engineering" and passed it over to Kings Island so they could do it as part of their in-house work. Moving to the Helix, we can expect to see a drastically different structure - partly new, partly old. According to Brian, there will be a lot more steel present. There was no mention of anything relating to trims, so I am unsure if they will remain or not after this work. What I believe is the trims are there to decrease the stress of the trains on the structure, that and make the ride more bearable for the riders. That about covers the main topics, once again would recommend listening to this podcast if you haven't already!
    10 points
  44. Here's a wonderful pair of photos showing the flume with the lights. Both photos were previously shared in the Kings Island History Facebook group by user Pete Leaf Peters.
    10 points
  45. Yes. Apple announced the iPhone almost 6 months before it launched because they knew that their "secret" would be revealed before they could announce it due to the fact that the they had to register it with the FCC. I'm sure they would have wanted to announce it on Tuesday and release it on the following Friday like they do now, but unfortunately, such is life. The park is well aware that as time goes on, it is more likely that stuff will leak out. What DIDN'T we know about Orion? We even knew the two possible names. We knew the height. We knew the theme. We knew the queue. What didn't we know? The color? I bet if they had waited another week we would have known that. Certain individuals at the park made the decision they made and it clearly has backfired. Once it's announced, it'll be mildly interesting rather than big news. This is the world we live in, either you can relate to the public or not. It's not on your terms, it's on theirs. The park was well aware of what you were doing. They somehow both didn't endorse what you were doing, but also embraced it. The synergy was amazing between the site and the park for a long time. I remember writing the front page article, "Action at Fort Cooper" and that was the media's first alert of any action. This was before track even started showing up. The article highlighted your photos of land clearings in the area which lead to the speculation. The whole thing was brilliant. It seeded interest and was a total, "You know that I know that you know...." situation. See also, "Two original things being removed from the park" back in late 2014. It wasn't Racer. (It was the parking tolls) It wasn't going to be Racer. We knew it wasn't. You knew it wasn't. But there was pictures of The Racer along with the article, so you HAD to stop and think... the media noticed. Maybe if there was more creative communications now and less Tweeting out selfies with news reporters then more things like that could happen again.
    10 points
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