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  1. 42 points
    Shaggy

    The Firehawk back-story...

    I have quite a “Firehawk” back-story many of you may be interested in hearing. Now that the ride is “gone” I feel its ok to share… I sat on this for 15 years now... LOL! In 2003, I was invited to go to Six Flags Worlds of Adventure with the Paramount’s Kings Island Marketing Team on a “field trip.” Jeff Siebert, David Mandt, Maureen (then) Kaiser (then the parks’ brand-new PR Director) and I spent some time taking in the park… it was a great day. Specifically we all were there to ride X-Flight (later to become Firehawk) and it was then that I learned its true story. Now, the KI Marketing Team was stellar - and never divulged any company information... However, after rides had opened, they would sometimes share the stories of how the ride came to be... Well, the rumors all about the "X-Flight/Firehawk" have persisted since, so here’s your official verification… As many as you may know already… Vekoma first partnered with Paramount Parks to develop “Stealth” at California’s Great America. Both KI and KD were already slated to get the 2nd & 3rd versions of the coaster in 2002. The issues Stealth faced in development, coupled with the fact that Kings Island was under great scrutiny with their own bevvy of Son of Beast issues, Paramount Parks (specifically the park’s GM - Tim Fisher) made the decision to pass on the exclusive rights to the coaster and not install. Vekoma, already in the manufacturing process, then offered the options to Six Flags who opted to quickly install the rides at Six Flags Worlds of Adventure and Six Flags America – respectively. (As I understood, the routing & delivery of the rides was already scheduled – so rather than further complicate matters, Six Flags simply added them to the 2 parks closest to KI & KD.) Paramount, who had funded Vekoma’s development of the ride, likely profited from the sale of the two coasters to Six Flags. If memory serves me, it wasn’t finalized, but the working “theme” of the Flyer for KI was to be “Mission Impossible.” After the coaster installs for KI & KD were cancelled in late 2000, Paramount Parks R&D in LA immediately switched gears to develop a ride for KI to take the spot vacated in 2002. Tim Fisher was behind much of the push to “modernize” Kings Island and removed what he considered “eyesore” and “dated” rides. That’s why KCKC was demolished and Tomb Raider came into origin – as a direct reaction to the cancellation of the flyer. Ironically, King Cobra at KI was originally going to be demolished in 1999 – and not open with Action Zone. But once the development of “Stealth” began – KI opted to hold on to KC for two more seasons in order to swap a coaster for coaster… The “new” “more vibrant” paint job that KC was given when Action Zone opened was a decision to mask what Tim Fisher considered an “eyesore” by that point in time. After Action Zone opened, King Cobra was again slated for removal in 2001 as preparation for the Vekoma Flyer to be added in its spot. Even after the flyer was cancelled, KC still met the fate of the wrecking ball after 2 years of the park attempting to sell it. It was on this day that I learned that Delirium & Scooby Doo’s installation in 2003 were a direct result of PKI passing of the Vekoma Flyer. This trip was also the first time I heard the name “Dave Cobb” mentioned… Mr Cobb (unknown to me at the time) was already developing “Italian Job: Stunt Track” for KI’s 2005 season. I met him later, when KI first installed the ride and learned that the removal of the Antiques and Flyers were a result of Tim Fisher's initiative to modernize the park. Maureen Kaiser (with whom I rode X-Flight at SFWOA that very day) stayed with KI into 2007, and oversaw the PR of the coaster's installation before passing the torch to Don Helbig. Tim Fisher (who by then had transitioned to Paramount's Carowinds) left the company in 2006 when Paramount Parks was sold to Cedar Fair. However - ironically - it was while he was at Carowinds that the park relocated "Stealth" from Paramount's Great America to become "Borg:Assimilator" at PCow. Mr Fisher joined Cedar Fair Parks as the COO in late 2017... So there you have it… a lot of the PKI rides installed in the early 2000’s were actually a domino-effect result of X Flight not going to Kings Island as intended.
  2. 35 points
    Hi all- Jes here. I thought I would quickly say hello to the KI Central community and share my excitement for the upcoming season- my 18th with Cedar Fair. I know how important the Food & Beverage operation is to our guests and to all of you, our most passionate fans. It's important to me as well, in part because my friends and family visit the park frequently. But also because at the end of the day, I'm a theme park nerd myself. I want you to know that I am absolutely committed to elevating the Food & Beverage experience at our park. Part of doing that includes seeking out feedback every day. I want to know when our team is rocking it, and when we can do better. Although I won't be an active poster in this community, I can assure you I will personally read every single comment posted here, just as I will when comments are left at Guest Services. You will see me constantly in the park, working with our team to respond to that feedback. When you see me, please feel free to say hello and tell me about your experience. I'd love to hear from you. Thank you for your past and future patronage, and for being such loyal fans over the years. Jes McAdam-Sellers
  3. 34 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Uhh. Look what I found. I haven't seen this posted yet. City of Mason is nice! If someone else has posted this, let me know.
  4. 29 points
    gad198

    Decoding 2020

    All of the newer B&M hypers - those built after 2005, are all fantastic. The only B&M coaster I haven't ridden in North America is Goliath at La Ronde (long story!) so I can't comment on that one, but needless to say I have thoroughly enjoyed all of them. Fury, Mako, Diamondback, Goliath at SFOG, Behemoth and Leviathan are all in my top 10 overall coasters. If B&M is behind this project the ride will be incredibly fun regardless as to how long the ride ends up being. Fury 325 is a better ride than Leviathan. The only thing that a lot of people wished - myself included - is that Leviathan were a little longer. It just feels like Leviathan is way shorter than Fury 325. Out of curiosity I checked out POVs of each coaster from the start of the first drop to the final brakes, and there's an eight second difference in ride time between the two coasters (50 seconds for Leviathan vs. 58 seconds for Fury 325). Eight seconds! The first drops on either coaster are the among the best first drops on any coaster. Very few people will be complaining once this coaster opens. I would be shocked if this coaster does not have at least a 300' lift height. The visual aspect of having a huge lift hill is part of the draw of these coasters. You also have the marketing aspect to consider. The marketing people would prefer not to qualify that the coaster isn't 300' tall, but it does have a 300' drop. It's much easier to say that the coaster is over 300' tall. I would also be surprised if: the trains are anything other than straight 4-across and 32 seats total the total track length is less than Diamondback the ride uses any of the former SOB plot of land Kings Island isn't going to overthink this. They already got the hardest part right - making the decision to partner with B&M to do this project. They know that they only have one opportunity to build a coaster of this magnitude and they've had plenty of time to consider how to best leverage their available resources. One of the world's best coasters is coming to Kings Island. I really hope that everyone who has a chance to follow this project realizes how fortunate we are. Six Flags and Busch season pass holders have a nearly zero chance of ever seeing a project like this at any of their respective parks anytime soon. Are there going to be things about this project that some people will question or dislike? Sure. Just remember that the opportunity to follow along with a project of this magnitude at your home park will only come along a few times in your life. Make sure that you remember this time for all of the right reasons. One of the world's best coasters is coming to our park!
  5. 29 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    It's time! I've included one of DB splashdown as well above. It's a screenshot of the video. I'll upload it later to YT, and add the link here. Enjoy!
  6. 27 points
    scoriell

    Decoding 2020

  7. 26 points
    Gordon Bombay

    Decoding 2020

    Disappointment 285
  8. 26 points
    Let me say something to all the people complaining about the announcement- no one really cares. The removal Antique Cars was one of the biggest upsets to families who have been going to Kings Island for countless years prior to 2004. There are very mild few rides that families can do together outside of Planet Snoopy and the train. Whenever I go to the park, I see grandparents standing at the fence watching their grandchildren riding rides that they themselves cannot enjoy anymore due to some type of physical restraint. The return of the Antique Cars gives something the entire family can ride, grandparents included. I'm sure parents who spend hundreds of dollars on goldpasses, season tickets, and general admission will be happy to ride something other than just small kiddie rides in Planet Snoopy with their children. My mom, for example, was extremely excited for the return of the Antique Cars because that was something we did when she used to take me up to the park when I was little and now she can do the same with my little sisters. Little kids will be able to drive a "big car" with their parents or grandparents with them. Overall I think that this return was long overdue and I welcome it. In response to the teaser posters online- no one really cares. Enthusiasts aren't only the one's that make the park money, a vast majority of revenue comes from families. Those posters were easter eggs at best- if they're something more than its just future speculation at this point. I find it hilarious that people actually thought that they'd make an announcement as huge as Son of Beast returning without any announcement dates up until a few days prior. Mystic Timbers and Banshee were literally hyped for the entire summer before an announcement date was even given. People who believed that today's announcement was going to have anything to do with those posters should take some time and actually learn about the industry before rushing to conclusions. Since Cedar Fair bought Kings Island we've gotten 4 roller coasters over the course of 11 years- that's a pretty impressive feat considering some parks haven't even received half of that. Cedar Fair knows where their money is coming from so they're going to invest as they see fit. I'm happy the Antique Cars are making a return!
  9. 25 points
    sixohdieselrage

    Decoding 2020

    Got yalls update... Nothing new. I've included the pictures just so everyone can verify. Edit: I've added two more pictures.
  10. 24 points
    Sixflags82

    Decoding 2020

    Leaked giga logo
  11. 23 points
    JCoaster25

    Decoding 2020

    OK, I'm back with fun screenshots!!! Like I said before, I'm far from the first person here to show off some NL2 concepts, BUT I figured it would be cool to put the coaster approximately where it's gonna go alongside some of my other KI coasters I've built to try and show a decent sense of scale of just how big this ride will be. All of these screens were grabbed at walking height at various vantage points along Coney Mall as well as behind the scenes. I think this coaster will be incredibly fun after visualizing it a bit better. I didn't overlay the blueprint into the map, so the exact footprint may be off in a few places, but I think I got it pretty freaking close. Enjoy! Also for those curious, my coaster is 5,333 feet long. EDIT: Got all my screenshots in! Aproaching X-Base from Coney Mall. This thing will absolutely dwarf Racer. And yes I did paint it it’s original colors. Your view waiting for the front seat perhaps? The Eiffel Tower view. Not the clearest screenshot, but it certainly shows how this will look with the rest of the park! This view would be from behind the maintenance barn. Definitely most looking forward to this first drop! Banking at the top of the turnaround is about 110 degrees. This helix should be really pretty! Just picture an entrance sign right in front of you. =)
  12. 23 points
    TristinTargaryen

    Decoding 2020

    Honestly, with how ungrateful a lot of people are acting about this, I think you guys need to be reminded how fortunate KI is to get a coaster every three years. Do any of you remember the fact that the other parks like Dorney, Michigan’s Adventure, and World’s of Fun haven’t gotten anything of note in several years? KI is very spoiled to get so many new coasters in such a short time span, especially considering it’s proximity to Cedar Point. And the fact that they’ve added so much more to the park besides the coasters(like all the refurbishments this year), is something that not every park gets. Some of you need to grow up and realize that you can’t just have a 9,000ft coaster because you want it. Everyone’s been demanding a giga for years, and now you’ve finally gotten one but you’re going to complain it’s not good enough. Not to mention how disrespectful it is to the park itself that went out of their way to request this from Cedar Fair in the first place.
  13. 23 points
    Banding Banshee

    Decoding 2020

    Great find @sixohdieselrage. Just left mason city hall and here are some more pics of the plans.
  14. 23 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    Here is the first up close look of the site.
  15. 23 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Budget giga Has no floors to save money Riders have to pedal to get up the lift hill only has seatbelts no trims bc they’re too expensive - wicked airtime ensues station is a giant tent
  16. 23 points
    DeltaFlyer

    Decoding 2020

    Ran this through Bluebeam. Scale is actually 1" = 40'-0". I did this by referencing the footing schedule which gave me the diameter of the piers. What is called out there as 36"Ø shows up on the plan as exactly 1'-6", meaning the scale was off. This means that the lift length is approximately 335' by my measurements. At a 45° lift angle, that means that the height would be around that same number. If anyone is interested in how I came to that conclusion I can post an image. And no, I am not an "Engineer Wannabe".
  17. 23 points
    Bansheeback

    Decoding 2020

    More to come. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  18. 23 points
    So my 4 year old son got a bunch of train/car track for his Birthday. What did we build tonight? The Kings Mills Antique Auto's course!! Sorry no POV was taken!
  19. 22 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    Construction next to The Racer!
  20. 22 points
    BeastForever

    Decoding 2020

    From what I can tell by the overhead blueprints (which is to say, very little) the layout seems to be either a mix of Leviathan and Fury elements or something entirely different altogether. I can't really tell. It appears to have some type of helix, which is good (something Leviathan doesn't have but Fury does). The turnaround hopefully will be something more like the treble clef found on Fury rather than the generic hammerhead found on Leviathan and many B&M hypers. As for what happens besides that. I have no idea... My thoughts exactly. I for one am willing to reserve judgment until we know all the exact details via official announcement (or better yet, actually riding it), but understand the 'anticipointment' some are having with what looks (keyword looks, we won't know until we know) atm to be a half-done roller coaster. Tensions, uncertainties, anxieties for many have been running quite high the past couple of days (and will probably continue for a time being). But I get that. Yes, obviously there is virtue found in being grateful for whatever the park decides to grant its devoted fans, but we're human after all. So there is bound to be some who will express disappointment in what they perceive as not what they were hoping/expecting (whether these perceptions/assumptions are well-founded or not). But as you said, I also feel like there is something we're not seeing, something that can't be observed from the information we have available - whether it be an inventive turnaround, sideways airtime moments, tunnel(s), thematic elements etc. Something to make the world's seventh gigacoaster amazing and unique and some way. As for what I think? Well, lets just put it this way.... Come April 2020, once all the footings are poured, track and supports are assembled, and ALL this will have blown over, I have a hard time believing that we won't be absolutely amazed at what they created for us, look back on these tumultuous times and simply laugh at what we were all thinking. When all is said and done, and media day/opening day comes around, I just don't envision a forum filled with disappointed fans, saying they found the ride to be 'underwhelming' or 'meh'. It didn't happen with Banshee, it didn't happen with Mystic Timbers. I don't believe it will happen this time around either...
  21. 22 points
    KI_FAN_4_LIFE

    Decoding 2020

    Nerd #1 "I have done all of my calculations on all of my super computers and have come up with a drop of around 355ft" ... other nerds nod in agreement Nerd#2 "I have done all of my calculations with all of of my technology and I come up with a drop a little over 300ft" .... other nerds nod in agreement Some of you nerds are wrong and it is torture for the rest of us. Someone please figure out witch nerd group is right so we can either buy our giga shirts, hats and glasses, or go straight to the hardware store to the pitchfork section!
  22. 22 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Here’s your lift hill footers. This is a a giga. No doubt in my mind. lift hill run appears to be roughly 450-500 feet long ish. Hard to say without a ruler. I did some basic math based on Fury’s lift hill angle and it looks like based on that we could be looking at 350-380 feet high. We’re getting a record breaker boys.
  23. 22 points
    Might be the only Twitter account with more people blocked than followers.
  24. 21 points
    medford

    Decoding 2020

    What if I told you that most people already consider KI a major thrill park?
  25. 21 points
    silver2005

    Decoding 2020

    I honestly hope after this, KI moves away from building new coasters at the rate they've been. I'd like to see some more creative flats or a decent dark ride, spruce up the non-coaster line up.
  26. 21 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    Decoding 2020

    We are on a Racer CoasterStock tour. This valley is a lot deeper than what it looks like in the tower pictures and even in these pictures.
  27. 21 points
    supertrooper

    Decoding 2020

    I feel like the area that has been cleared is already big enough for a pretty good giga.
  28. 21 points
    BeastForever

    Decoding 2020

    This has been perhaps the most tired and flimsy narrative relating to this topic (what the guy from reddit said). It has resurfaced time and time again, on this site, on others, in YouTube comments sections etc. But to me it just doesn't hold up. Let me explain... Yes, while it is true that CW and Carowinds are growing at faster rates than KI, this should not be conflated with "they have surpassed" or even met up with KI in terms of Cedar Fair's hierarchy. As you pointed out, KI already has remarkable attendance as it is, more than enough attendance to justify a giga. For the record, as of 2016, KI alone makes up 14% of CF's revenue, CW's share was 10%, and Carowinds 7-8%. In other words, even with CW and Carowinds expanding, they've still got some catching up to do before they can even get to KI's level . Remember, Cedar Fair WANTED Kings Island more than any other park. IIRC Paramount used this as leverage to rid themselves of the chain wholesale in 2006, forcing Cedar Fair to buy all five of the parks. I wouldn't be surpirsed if they'd have bought some of the others anyway, but it was paramount (pun not intended) that they acquire KI. In fact, Cedar Fair even tried to purchase Kings Island as early as 2000. Reportedly, it fell through because of a $40 million dollar tax liability that would have been contigent upon the sale (Source). Kinzel himself described it as "his favorite park outside the Cedar Fair system". --- Ok, and now on to the wing coaster theory.... So first off, there's the fact that the land clearing at this point has become way too big for what a conventional wing would take up. And then there's Mike Koontz specifically saying he's requested a giga at Coasterstock 2018. (For those of you wondering where exactly he said this: https://youtu.be/I3BxfbjxMgc?t=1304) AND there's the simple fact that a wing coaster from the general public's perspective would not be all that different from Banshee (large, graceful inversions, vest restraints). The same could be said for a giga to an extent, but CF has proven with Fury and Leviathan that they're OK with having a B&M hyper and giga coexist in the same park. -- But even if that's not enough... Depending on how you look at it, wing coasters actually are much worse value than a 6000ft + giga would be, particularly if we're going by $ divided by track length (I know, odd metric - but it explains my point). GateKeeper: $25 million / 4,164 ft = $6003.84 per foot of track Fury: $30 million / 6,602 ft = $4544.07 per foot of track My thoughts exactly. If KI doesn't warrant significant investment into a new thrill ride (as some are claiming), then why in the world would they be building any coaster at all? We know its a B&M, and almost any B&M these days is bound to be well over $20 million (sans Dive and maybe floorless), so they might as well go the extra mile for something that will have much longer-lasting value than a wing coaster. Wings are partially reliant on novelty IMO - novelty which diminishes... Its the giant sit-down coasters found in hypers and gigas that stand the test of time. Going off of what was mentioned above about Millie. Its in its 20th year of operation, and its still by many accounts the signature attraction of Cedar Point (I know a decent amount of GP who still prefer it over SV).
  29. 21 points
    From 2017 and 2018 I had the privilege of working as a Park Ambassador. It was a job that was a dream come true for me. I basically had the opportunity to do what was needed to make a guests day, get to explore the park and hope not just guests but associates were doing well and if they needed help with anything. In 2017, Our last day of the season, I was back by Dinosaurs Alive talking to some guests when a lady approached me asking if I was able to help her with something. I was delighted to help her and it was even more awesome was, her daughter just hit 48in height requirement. However, her mom was scared/not a fan of rollercoasters. She wanted someone to ride with her daughter, which at the time I was able to. I tried to help make it one of the best memories they ever had. I told the mom and the girl that they could choose up to 3 rides, and ill take her to the front of the line and she can choose any row to sit in (granted the park was dead to begin with so not much benefit in skipping lines) she decided on doing Adventure Express, Mystic Timbers and The Beast to ride. She really liked Adventure Express and at the time she did not like Mystic Timbers as unfortunately it was rather chilly and the cool air kinda took her breath away and it scared her a bit (although I her she loves riding it now) The Beast she really liked too. Well as we got off Mystic Timbers her mom was so ecstatic and happy, she wanted a picture of me and her daughter together (both with her phone and from the ride) well I went ahead and got the photo taken care for her and she was almost in tears with just joy and excitement. Actually as we went towards The Beast, she had to Facetime a family member and had to tell them how much of a great time she was having and told me to say hi. Everytime I worked and they saw me out in the park, the girl always had to run up and give me a hug. I loved getting the privilege of doing stuff like that. The excitment kids got from a gesture like that all way down to just a "I love Kings Island" sticker always helped me feel better knowing they are enjoying there visit. Granted not everyone did, but I would try as hard as possible to make sure they did.
  30. 20 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    A bit more analysis of the blueprints. It's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing any pics confirming it... the trains are definitely 8 cars long. There are 8 clear separate queue lines in the station, with the front seat and back seat having its own queue line. There is also an elevator on the exit side (no surprise here, but wanted to mention it). In the queue line, there are multiple locations of "FUN TV" (yellow, below) and mister fans (blue, below). There were some talks about what's inside the new prop building. Per these prints, there is no planned electrical or plumbing inside of there. There's indication of some lights just outside of the prop building, but nothing going on inside, and no large footings suggesting this building is anything substantial. I expect it'll be some simple structural building decor. There are planned "DMX lighting" locations along the entire length of the coaster, particularly near all high points. If you're not familiar with DMX lights, no, unfortunately X is not gunna give it to ya...DMX lights are just network-controlled lights. Looks like each high point will have a light shining upwards, highlighting the track and supports, even in the back turnaround near The Beast. With them being DMX lights, they might have the ability to change the color on the fly instead of just plain white all the time. Something to look forward to. Finally, I'm going to update my lift height number to 296'. I found the below note on the original blueprints, and the 740' is also the elevation around the entire station area. Max height of 1035.9' minus this 740' elevation gives us a height of 296'. I've suggested this below, but now I'm noticing that the blueprints are calling out this particular height as "zero". Yes, the crest of the lift is still ~286' above the ground directly below it, but it looks like the project's zero height is around the station, which would give us a height of 296'. (MSL is "mean sea level") Updated estimates: --296' tall --301' drop --81deg drop --5089' long
  31. 20 points
    Bansheeback

    Decoding 2020

    After seeing the new blueprints, I was able to go up to city hall, obtain the blueprints, and get them scanned. Here are the full resolution, digital copies of the new blueprints. http://bit.ly/kipx2020
  32. 20 points
    SonofBaconator

    Decoding 2020

  33. 20 points
    DustinTheNow

    Decoding 2020

    I fully expect the Kings Island Giga to be one of the best coasters in the world. In its present form, per the leaked layout and footer drawings, I make the following prediction: Height: 305 ft Drop: 310 ft Max Speed: 94 mph Length: 5,250 ft This coaster will be shorter in duration and length then Fury, however there’s no way one can say it’s not in the same category. This coaster will be forceful (for a B&M) and will be relentless. All of B&M’s highlight elements will be in it. I expect a reverse treble clef and an ampersand along with ejector and floater hills. Again, just because it’s shorter, doesn’t mean it’s not as good as Fury. In fact many complain about the pacing of Fury and that the helix is almost pointless. For this coaster, pacing won’t be an issue. After 45-50 seconds of ride time (drop to break) this new coaster will leave you out of breath, wondering what the he** just happened. Don’t be discouraged y’all! Kings Island is going to get one of the best coasters in the world. No it may not be the 7000 ft long 350 ft tall “beast unleashed” y’all were hoping for, however this coaster will still be a wonderful attraction and the parks best coaster for years to come! #fiveIsALIVE #Polaris305
  34. 20 points
    RuthlessAirtime

    Decoding 2020

    Okay, big post incoming. I want to rehash some things and retrace some steps so bear with me. Feels like we need a recap to reorient ourselves. I talked with my brother about all this after sending him the link to this thread and I'm sort of leaning toward this not being a giga at all. He is not a coaster nut like any of us, but he has worked in project management for a few years and sees many blueprints that look like our coaster prints we have on hand, so he knows a thing or two. And for the record, he has combed through this thread, and as a project management professional, all the inconsistencies we've found are bugging the hell out of him as well. The first thing that confuses me about all this is the lift hill height we first discussed when the blueprints dropped. We had some discussion on whether or not the scale at the bottom of the image is correct. At first I was willing to believe that the scale is incorrect, but that makes almost zero sense the more that I think about it. That would be a wild clerical error to make for plans like this. I'm inclined to believe that they would definitely not be wrong for a project of this scale – I cannot imagine the wrench that would throw in the gears for construction. BUT, just for a second, let's assume something is off about the scale. Fine. Based on the specs of the footers on the other pages, if you scale the lift hill blueprint appropriately, here's what you end up with: Since we know the backbone footer has the actual backbone itself at 40 degrees, this can't be anywhere close to 300 feet. Backbone image for reference: However, I did say that I can't bring myself to believe that the scale on the lift hill image is incorrect. I find it very difficult to believe that the official plans filed with the city would have an error like that. So, let's backtrack a bit. Let's accept for a second that the scale is correct, and that the scale of the footers is incorrect for the simplicity of the lift hill blueprint. If we're working on the assumption that the scale is correct, then most of you were right the first time around, and that means the lift hill run is even smaller on the horizontal plane - somewhere a little over 200 feet. At 40 degrees for the backbone, that's even smaller and it probably doesn't even breach 200 feet. I hesitate to bring the leaked layout into this due to its dubious source, but if you consider the length of the layout, this also suggests a ride that is decidedly not a giga. This gives us a couple reasons to point toward this ride not being a giga: If we accept the scale on the blueprints to be correct, this lift hill is NOT close to 300 feet. The layout length appears to be super short, as many of you have expressed concern about. This would be a super short giga. However, there are a couple darning things about all of this that seem to be a smoking gun for a giga. The first thing that immediately stuck out to me is the support structure. Particularly L16x set of supports, meaning L16D, and L16R, L16L: That pattern is quite literally, this: The supports I mentioned seem to directly match the backbone on the drop, and the two white supports directly behind it. The other supports on the entire blueprint seem to match closely too. No other coaster model (to my knowledge) other than a B&M Giga uses this support layout. This seems to be irrefutable evidence that what's on the drawings is a giga, if it weren't for the scale on the image. Another thing to point out, is that the leaked layout has zero inversions on it. Layouts don't show track banking, but you'd definitely know where an inversion was. You'd see a slight wobble where a heartline roll would be, a vague immelmann shape, a sharp Z shape that a loop makes when viewed from above, etc. That also points toward a giga, since it rules out a wing or a dive coaster. So, to recap We have a couple reasons to believe this is a giga: The support pattern on the blueprints is strikingly similar to that of Fury and Leviathan. The layout has no inversions. Given the bases I've covered here, this brings up a question in my mind that has been asked here a few times. What the hell is this thing??? Could we be looking at a brand new ride type we've never seen from B&M? I mean, we're due for one right? When was the last time we saw a new model from B&M? The first US dive machine was SheiKra in 2005, and the first US wing coaster was Wild Eagle in 2012. Are we due for a new model? Assuming we're accepting that the layout is real, this would explain a lot of the pieces we can't seem to fit together. If we accept that the layout is a fake (somehow) then this kinda points toward a dive machine or a wing, and they're using the giga support structure on a dive machine for the first time. Basically, I'm not sure I can believe that the blueprints we got are wrong in any respect, and that means no giga. The only way out of this is if these are decoy blueprints, which seems... super unlikely to me, unless KI has mounted an unprecedented disinformation campaign to hide whatever gigantic project they're working on. I don't even know if you can submit bogus blueprints to the city. I'd guess not. I do find it somewhat odd that a member on this forum (I can't remember who) had seen the prints from a friend and hadn't posted them, and I am interested to know who this friend was and how they stumbled upon the blueprints and/or knew to go request them from the city. It does feel weird to me. I'll take this chance to reuse this gif: As an aside, I wonder what the person who leaked the blueprints is thinking as they follow this thread. They are either laughing hysterically at us, or sweating profusely. Ok, over and out, gonna take my tinfoil hat off for a bit and let you guys hash this one out. EDIT: I forgot about the person who literally input coordinates into solidworks from the blueprints, it's a giga, ignore my conspiracy theories.
  35. 20 points
    ohiocoasterfan

    Decoding 2020

  36. 19 points
    BSBMX

    Decoding 2020

    I went back into my CAD models to see what I could figure out about the drop angle. Long story short, I'm going to say it's 81deg, possibly 80deg. Anything more than 81 just doesn't line up with what the blueprints give us. In a new CAD model, I laid the overhead image down and created construction points at top of lift (1035.9' point), bottom of first drop (735' point), and all lift footings, including the backbone beginning and end. On a plane perpendicular to this, I laid in the blueprint image of the lift hill. With the drop's bottom being the lowest point in this local area (at an elevation of 735'), I made this my Z zero height. Per the footing coordinates, the backbone footing beginning is about 8' above zero, the backbone footing end is about 13' above zero, and the ground directly below the lift crest is about 15' above zero. Using these 3 points, and the silhouette lines of the support columns on the lift blueprint, I can accurately place and scale the lift hill image to the overhead image. In conjunction to this, using the construction point at the drop bottom (where the 735' height is), I estimated the backbone thickness at 4', I can estimate where the drop backbone is and the track pulling away from it. Laying this out in a sketch and adjusting the backbone angle until it "looks right", an angle of 81deg gets me closest to matching the geometry of Fury and Levi (a drop of 80deg also looks pretty similar too). An angle of 82deg or more introduces in a 'jog' of sorts between the drop and the pullout, where it just doesn't look right. A drop of 85deg definitely is not possible. Here's the overhead image I used: Here's a somewhat isometric image of my sketches: Here's a perpendicular image, showing the 81deg: Here's a silhouette image of the lift's support structure:
  37. 19 points
    DiamondBanshee

    Decoding 2020

    I feel like this is a good place to update this and bring it back up Edit: This is not for me, but what I feel is the overwhelming feeling of this thread at the moment Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  38. 19 points
    thekidd33

    Decoding 2020

    Never trust the opinion of anyone who enjoys Invertigo.
  39. 19 points
    ldhudsonjr

    Decoding 2020

    @sixohdieselrage Also, my wife finds it endlessly entertaining that this thread has a spy plane and pours over the reconnaissance photos. haha
  40. 19 points
    Hello KIC members. We are happy to announce that Kings Island has greenlighted our project "Kings Island: 50 Years of Memories". We know many of you are thinking right now "Wait, Kings Island hasn't been open for 50 years?" and you are correct. In order for our project to be completed in time for the premiere in the Spring of 2022, we must get things started. Making a film can be a long tedious process. The distinction of our documentary is the backdrop will comprise of home movies provided by past employees, industry leaders, and park guests. Many of these old clips are 8mm and Super 8 film that will be restored to the highest quality possible and upscaled to current standards. This type of restoration is a long and detailed process as we go frame by frame. Kings Island is very excited about this project just as we are. We hope you will share this information with friends and family who grew up going to Kings Island. Click here to submit your home movies or photographs of Kings Island KI50Movie Facebook Page Make sure to follow our hashtag #KI50movie We will leave you with this quick presentation/teaser trailer we put together. We hope you enjoy it! https://youtu.be/bLvZEc8cxNY ***UPDATE 11/22/18 Just wanted to provide an update on the project. The film is now listed on IMDB along with the poster for the film. Click Here Our diverse team has grown to 17 wonderful and talented people. Our website is currently being built and should be up soon. www.KI50MOVIE.com We are currently working on multiple pre-production chores and finalizing our fundraising campaign. Look and listen for us on tri-state radio and television programs promoting the project over the winter. We are still in need of home movies and photos from over the years. (You must be the owner or have the rights to any submissions. Please do not submit photos or video you found on the internet) We will be announcing an open call for former employees of Kings Island in hope to start filming interviews during the summer of 2019 and 2020. (Unfortunately, current employees of Cedar Fair will not be able to be interviewed) We updated the project logo....Look at the beginning of the post
  41. 19 points
    If you were mislead, its of your own doing. The park never put those fliers up, nor did they comment or react to speculation. All the "teasing" was perpetuated by fanboys (and girls) not KI.
  42. 19 points
    Why on earth would you bring sidewalk chalk to the park?
  43. 18 points
    coasterfanatic83

    Decoding 2020

    After reading for the last week, I have come to the conclusion that we are too caught-up in the numbers. Height, potential speed, drop, length, etc... Guys, it is Kings Island. Cedar Fair. B&M. And a massive land clearing. This will be a phenomenal ride. Mystic Timber's numbers are not good at all. The layout looked boring. We all had reservations. And now it is the best ride in the park. Chill out on the details (that haven't even been confirmed by the park). KI/CF/B&M know what they are doing.
  44. 18 points
    stashua123

    Decoding 2020

    The sense of entitlement I am reading in this thread has driven me to post. We are incredibly lucky to be possibly getting such a great addition to the park. And those who seem bothered over what may or may not be true (those footings prints look pretty real but I have my questions about the full ride layout) just dont seem to be seeing the bigger picture. Kings Island has the perfect market to draw from. A loyal base of guests and passholders any other park in north america would dream of. Since 2007 we have consistently gotten major investment. Yes Cedar Point and carowinds may have gotten larger investments. But I don't think since before the days of paramount our park atmosphere has ever felt so complete and inviting. This year the small things... racer going trimless... the glockenspiel... the soon to be completed fountains. It all looks amazing. City population doesnt matter. Cincinnati is within a days drive to half the country's population. Why else did Amazon choose cvg as their cargo hub for prime air? I could agree with the outdoing cp sentiments if this was dick kinzel era Cedar Fair. Absolutely disagree at the moment. Mystic Timbers was a perfect addition. Banshee as well. Diamondback was amazing. All of these were perfect for our park already full of amazing rollercoasters. The terrain this coaster may take advantage of will allow for many great things in my opinion. I think we need to wait and see. It's only may. Many rides on paper dont look exciting but turn out to be blockbusters (maverick) In comparison to other former paramount parks, other than carowinds I must say we have been sweetened with major investment. When did kings dominion last get a new coaster from the ground up? 2010. Michigan's adventure? 2004(??) Believe me. We are not getting the short hand of the stick. 3 new coasters in a decade. Put things in perspective. Enjoy this season. The new changes. The little ones. Finding out what's coming. Wait and see..... And be grateful despite it possibly not being what was expected that we are getting an amazing addition. *leaves soapbox*
  45. 18 points
    Shaggy

    Decoding 2020

    I'll repeat what I have said in many different formats, and I truly mean it... I've been a fan/attendee of KI for a long long time... well over 35 years... and I sampled the park under every form of ownership in those years. I can say, for certain, Cedar Fair is doing a tremendous job with the park. They have restored a flair/vibe to the park that was all but obscured for years. (That includes all facets of the customer facing side of the business.) Those making the obviously informed decisions are to be commended.
  46. 18 points
    Codyfryguy

    Decoding 2020

    After driving home and thinking about the entire situation.. I have decided to delete the screenshots.. I do not want this coaster to be leaked because of me... I do apologize to anyone who was wanting to look at the screenshot without posting it elsewhere. I feel as if this is what is best for Kings Island Central and everyone else involved in this amazing community. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
  47. 18 points
    JAHill

    International street makeover

    Me visiting this thread in search of wholesome discussion of the new changes to I-Street.
  48. 18 points
    IndyGuy4KI

    International street makeover

    I am asking that we close the book on the picture discussion at this point. I am going to close it with this: I try to work very closely with the park to get information to share with you, the members. When they can, they do send us information, pictures, answer our questions for the Ask KI a question thread, and do interviews with us at the park. They do this because we have a good relationship and they want to share our excitement about the park. I would like to keep that relationship to bring you guys information from the park. When the members are not being respectful of their requests and park rules (whether you agree or disagree with them) they are not going to want to continue the same relationship with us. I ask that you keep that in mind as you post on KIC.
  49. 18 points
    Shaggy

    International street makeover

    FYI... just to add some tid-bits here... The "Pedestals" you see today were altered for either the 2nd or 3rd season of operation. Originally, the water bowls sat on top of the simple round cylindrical "tubes." Later, for decoration (and added support) the bowls were given 8 support arms each. In the pictures above you can see how the original pedestal "tubes" still exist and the original bowls with the later-added arms sit over top of them. The original IS configuration's street-scapes, curbs etc were all removed/altered for the first Winterfest in 1982. That's also when the "trees" were added along the fountains. The pavers on IS are the oldest in the park - and were added many seasons (1982) before other areas in KI - they have been repaired/replaced a few times over the years. The fountain and its filtration system was completely overhauled in 2003 due to a severe series of "cracks" that left the original concrete crumbling and leaking underground in places. Basically, they built a fountain over the fountain. This was also done in prep for the return of the 2005 Winterfest. For 2005's Winterfest, additional pathways from IS down to the fountain were added for access to the ice-rink. There is a long-standing rumor that a capsule of personal momentos may have been placed under IS by the original designers/contractors. But I've never had it verified officially.
  50. 18 points
    Best addition of the last 10 years. Taste those salty enthusiast tears.
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