[Webcam Outage Discussion]

I can’t believe how upset people are over this webcam thing lol

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3 minutes ago, homestar92 said:

OK, sure, but your example is extremely different than this case. We're talking about a difference of 13 feet. Would the giga suddenly become a giga if they dug a 13-foot pit under the lift hill? If so, then it should be considered a giga now. It's extremely pedantic to try and argue that our coaster is not a giga when its drop is equal to or greater than that of Millennium Force. The generally agreed upon definition is that extreme cases like your example don't count, but if one stat is over 300 and the other is within reason, then it counts. Hence why Apollo's Chariot is universally considered to be a hypercoaster and Magnum also is, despite both having one stat under 200 and one over, but why High Roller wasn't considered to be anything significant despite being 900 feet off the ground.

Yeah that’s why my definition is both height and drop being over 300’, otherwise it gets too messy.

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15 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

It’s not about the coaster enthusiast, it’s about the GP

Even the GP has been saying it’s too similar - even moreso because they don’t realize it will ride differently

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1 hour ago, presto123 said:

For my money, if a coaster has a 300 ft. drop, it's a giga. No doubt about it....

To play devils advocate, if a coaster was only 10 feet off the ground but followed a gently sloping hill downward until it had progressed 300ft down the vertical axis, would you call that a giga?

IMO height and drop have to be 300 or more for giga status. Sure you could have a coaster 100’ tall and dropping along terrain 300’ but it wouldn’t look like a giga, at least in the sense that most of us think of them.

[Decoding 2020]

3 hours ago, MIAParkman said:

I don't think it'll have 7 airtime moments, that's nearly as much as Diamondback. Also, I'd love to see the speed hill have -1.1G's but knowing B&M, it won't be that intense, it'll probably be strong floater especially since this one is higher and will be taken at a slower clip than Levi unless it's a tight apex. Other than that, looks like a very solid ride, I'd still rank Levi and Fury higher since they have more elements but this will be the best Giga in the state and it should easily be a top 15-20 coaster worldwide. 

Yes. I wouldn’t get my hopes up for this being super intense like a lot of people are saying. I think people will be disappointed that way when it turns out to be your standard B&M experience (which is very good, btw)

I think this will be very similar to Leviathan. Like a slightly bigger and faster Diamondback basically

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9 minutes ago, LintemuthStudios said:

I find it funny that everyone is complaining that this coaster is so short when it's longer, taller, and probably faster than all the coasters at Busch Gardens Tampa (my home park). Not to mention that it actually has airtime (none of the coasters I've ridden in Florida have airtime, and I've ridden quite a few). I'd kill to have this down here.

That’s sort of evaluating it in a bubble though and ignoring patterns of existing parks. 

Every time I hear someone say “I would kill to have this in my park!!!” I compare it to lambasting fans of the losing Super Bowl team and being like “I would have killed to have my team even make it to the super bowl!” Yeah but... not really the point.

Not sure that’s a totally accurate analogy but hopefully you get what I mean. Guess you could also argue that KI getting a giga at all would more aptly be compared to flat out winning the super bowl.

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9 minutes ago, DustinTheNow said:

For good ole times sake, this was my original height calc back when we got the footer drawings and the decoding 2020 was mainly trying to decode that faulty scale bar lol. It was 285 ft then, and it’s 285.9 ft high now! Boy how things change, and even more so how things don’t change. Lol 

Oh man lol I forgot I said this 

consider me flabbergasted I suppose

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1 minute ago, fryoj said:

 

The ground at the station is 740 ft. Top of the lift is 1035. Still not getting to 300. 

I bet the first drop will have mag brakes the whole way down and limit the drop to 10mph so it's not too much better than MF

Drive tires the rest of the way to complete the circuit

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2 minutes ago, JubJester said:

Is it a possibility they've created a new train? Floorless would add even more intrigue with this ride.

I mean I guess technically it’s a possibility but I definitely would not entertain that idea

There’s almost zero chance the train is floorless

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4 minutes ago, Imperial79 said:

I think anyone can say they don’t like something if any company didn't their best,  it’s natural. It’s like going to a restaurant, you want good service and good food. You’re not spoiled if you complain about it, you’re paying money and spending your time there.  Ever since I rode MF at CP in 2000, I always wanted KI to get something big like that, yeah SOB was really big news back then as well, got people talking in Ohio.  I think I’ll be happy with this, but I hope it’s at least 300ft height.  The height is a selling point. 

It was established earlier in the thread that the actual height is 280-something I think. The ravine gives it a 301’ drop.

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16 minutes ago, Logan said:

If we didn't get any coaster at all in 2020, no one would be complaining. 

Exactly. You kind of indirectly nailed it here.

A giga is your one shot to build something incredible, and loads of people feel like this has been full of missed opportunities so far.

KI will likely never get anything higher than 300 feet ever again, or at least not soon enough that it’s even worth mentioning.

If it was an RMC, we would probably all be happy right now regardless of what it was.

Gigas have a reputation for being the record breakers, the precedent-setters, the bar-uppers.

On paper it looks like this doesn’t do any of that, and that’s why people are bummed - especially when you consider the size of the plot of land and the topography KI had to work with.

As a footnote, being bummed about the product that KI is getting ready to deliver to earn our dollars is in no way spoiled. This is not a birthday present - it is a product, and products are criticized all the time.

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On 5/20/2019 at 7:58 PM, RuthlessAirtime said:

I'd be okay with the drop length matching or barely beating Fury's if they're truly using that ravine to get a longer drop.

If they're using it to lengthen the drop to just barely get a drop over 300 (like 305ft) and the true height is under 300ft, it will feel like a cheap Six Flags move to me. 

Dunno why you'd spend all that money just to have the actual height be barely under 300ft

In light of recent events

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1 minute ago, BSBMX said:

Nope, you didn't scroll far enough. I read the number wrong, it's 1035.9, giving us a drop of ~301'.

Yep I corrected it 

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2 hours ago, BSBMX said:

Hard to read (need better pics!), but I think this lists top height of lift at 1065' (elevation height, not ride height), and bottom of drop is at 735', giving us a drop height of 330'. Need a better view of the 10xx' number, but I'm guessing it's 1065'.

Somebody else pointed out it says 1035 not 1065

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10 minutes ago, bjcolglazier said:

Because 99% of people don't freakin' care! That's why. That said, we'll see what we get. 

If the marketing trends regarding every single ride ever built are any indicator, people absolutely do care. The KI marketing team doubly so.

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I'd be okay with the drop length matching or barely beating Fury's if they're truly using that ravine to get a longer drop.

If they're using it to lengthen the drop to just barely get a drop over 300 (like 305ft) and the true height is under 300ft, it will feel like a cheap Six Flags move to me. 

Dunno why you'd spend all that money just to have the actual height be barely under 300ft

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13 hours ago, ohiocoasterfan said:

This is precisely why I’ve been predicting a 320 plus drop which would break Fury’s record. Each one of those lines is 10 feet.
There is a 40 to 50 foot height drop from the Firehawk cleared area. 305 height 325 plus drop is my prediction and will be a world record holder.

All depends on if the drop pullout can even fit there. I can’t tell from any of the photos posted

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6 minutes ago, fyrfyter said:

 

That’s where the important parts are missing. It’s either a page is missing in between, or we are getting different pieces at different scales. That doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless one page has more details to it. I’m guessing missing a page in there.

 

If they were the same scale throughout, you could easily piece together the pages one right after the other.

 

EDIT: One more thought- since it is coaster track, they could be shifting the areas being shown. That would throw off the border. But even with that said, the scale should still be the same and any existing elements should line up perfectly. I think these images have been doctored to look like something they are not.

For what it's worth, when I overlaid the layout image onto google earth to try to measure the layout, it was difficult to get things to match properly. If I had the buildings next to Dinosaurs Alive lined up properly, racer was a bit off and DA path wouldn't fit, and vice versa. One thing I could never get to line up properly was The Beast track. If I lined The Beast track up, literally nothing matched at all.

Can't speak to the legitimacy of the layout but that did feel weird. It didn't seem like enough was missing that the layout is going to be wildly different, but it definitely looked and felt like something was missing.

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3 minutes ago, DustinTheNow said:

Best (unpowered) element on a roller coaster! 

^ That outer bank turn feels like it's going to launch me clear across Lake Erie every time.

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1 hour ago, jcovelli said:

While not a roller coaster engineer, I am an engineer (marine), and I don't see anything wrong with this design.. and in fact this looks like it would be a pretty fun element! Especially if launched just fast enough to barely make it over the top (aka TTD and Kingda Ka).  However, I believe the support columns and footers would be different than anything we've seen to support that structure. 

There’s nothing wrong with his design on paper, it’s just a pretty certain thing that’s not what KI is building 

[Decoding 2020]

Some of you are off your rocker on these launched coaster theories lol

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Just now, SonofBaconator said:

Every new coaster, whether at a regional or destination park, should have a "wow" factor that will attract people to that park; something that's worth the price of admission. In this case I don't think people would travel to KI just to ride another Diamondback which keeps me positive.

Even for The Beast Unleashed video, the comments were full of GP saying "wow just another Diamondback? Meh" and I tried my hardest to make it wildly different. 

KI has to be aware of the risk of constructing something that looks way too similar to Diamondback. I have no doubt it will be very different in some way.

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35 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

For a second could we talk about the pros/cons of this ride being just at or under 300ft? I guess if it is short I want to know the benefits that were foreseen. This is all speculation.

Now that I think about an actual pro to this, what if it's just at 300-310 and they're going for an airtime record? Think nothing but the world's tallest, most sustained ejector airtime hills. Back to back to back to back. Like a steel El Toro. That would be unbelievable. 

I am saying this only because the layout suggests it could be the case.

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1 minute ago, fryoj said:

World's Tallest Hyper Coaster. 299 feet. A record never to be broken. 

After I figured out whether to laugh or cry, I'd riot

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11 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

For a second could we talk about the pros/cons of this ride being just at or under 300ft? I guess if it is short I want to know the benefits that were foreseen. This is all speculation.

If it is shorter than 300 feet, I am desperately hoping it's a new ride model.

If the leaked layout is the real deal, I am desperately hoping it's a new ride model.

I would be more than okay with this thing being something totally new given the information we have.

Part of me is still holding onto a shred of hope that KI disseminated some somewhat-bogus documents to shroud what will be the park's biggest investment ever. They know the blueprint song and dance – it has happened for several projects. My brother, who is a project management professional, told me it would be entirely possible to submit blueprints to the city that were slightly off and amend them after the fact. Is it possible they're tired of the blueprint leaks and have found a way around it? I SERIOUSLY doubt this is the case, but I'm kinda hoping it is based on all of our calculations and models we've seen so far. I want an epic giga with at least one record involved, sue me I guess lol.

Additionally, I'm really struggling to shake the feeling that KI would very much want to break records for what is almost certainly one of the most anticipated giga projects for the last 10ish years. I can't think of a single park that has had people asking "Giga?" for every single season for several years in a row. The fact that all the info we have right now conflicts with something groundbreaking is... extremely strange to me.

That said, I'll still ride the crap out of a mediocre giga if we get it. Could even NOT be a record breaker and still have a legendary ride experience.