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  1. During the press conference Dewine said he told the business in this "other" category he would make the announcement in a week and that was a week ago meaning he planned to announce this today all along and the suit was nothing but an insult.
  2. "the ruling affirms that facilities must follow Ohio Department of Health safety protocols to keep patrons and all Ohioans safe and healthy. These facilities were due to open Tuesday anyways. However, our office disagrees with the ruling’s analysis of law.” All Dewine would have to do is say we well the rules say no more then X people in a given area, and neither park has provided a plan on how to comply with that. A great example of this is the fact Cedar Fair plans to use traditional que lines, the state would be able to argue that mass groups of people put into a small space can't be done in complacence with the rules. That is also a single case in the state where multiple other cases have been ruled against the business case in point, Gilded Social v. Amy Acton where a bridal shop was ruled against. When we consider case law we can not look sideways but must look upwards, what did the appellate court rule, what about the supreme court what have they said? I want the park to open just as much as everyone else, and do believe it can be done safe as is evident with other parks like Disney Shanghai opening. But this route was a poor choice for the park as the general thought is the parks were due to be announced in the next few days, most suspecting Friday the 5th anyways. I do not blame the park for this lawsuit either, they are under incredible pressure from the Warren County Commissioners that has been asking them to sue since the March. The park is currently a pawn in a political game, a very unenviable position to be in.
  3. Not great, and IMHO it was a tactical error on the parks part, but the park is being pushed by the Warren County Commissioners so they are between a rock and a hard place. Every other time someone has sued to reopen in Ohio and federal court, the courts side against the business and they stay closed but now with the added cost of court. The case wont be heard by a judge for 60-90 days, and then wont be ruled on for up to a year. And if at the end of a year if they are still closed, and not just reopened with the lifting of restrictions, now we begin the appeal process which is up to 3-5 years between cases. The standard on how the courts will treat all of these cases is South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California. This is a very recent supreme court ruling, and yes it is a ruling even thought they never heard arguments which is an extraordinary measure. But the Supreme Court upheld churches being closed, and churches have more autonomy to stay open then a business. Below is a telling paragraph and will be cited everywhere else to throw out these lawsuits. All of this lawsuit did was make Kings Island a hostile party to the Governor, the park is being used as a pawn by the county commissioners and in the end the park is the one who will get hurt. The precise question of when restrictions on particular social activities should be lifted during the pandemic is a dynamic and fact-intensive matter subject to reasonable disagreement. Our Constitution principally entrusts “[t]he safety and the health of the people” to the politically ac-countable officials of the States “to guard and protect.” Ja-cobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11, 38 (1905). When those officials “undertake[] to act in areas fraught with medical and scientific uncertainties,” their latitude “must be especially broad.” Marshall v. United States, 414 U. S. 417, 427 (1974). Where those broad limits are not exceeded, they should not be subject to second-guessing by an “une-lected federal judiciary,” which lacks the background, com-petence, and expertise to assess public health and is not ac-countable to the people. See Garciav. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, 469 U. S. 528, 545 (1985). EDIT: So I have now had a chance to read the court filling in its entirety and it is not great. If my lawyer filled this in court, I would be embarrassed with all of the cutting and pasting errors and obvious revision where things were removed but the grammar wasn't updated to reflect that. "that latitude remains subject to limitations imposed by both the Ohio Constitution", both what? In other parts they politicize the topic while in others they make claims that are illogical and go against existing law. "The Ohio Department of Health, its Director, and county health departments claim the authority to criminalize and fine operation of safe amusement and water parks." Yeah they do that every single day across the state and country, i.e. food safety laws. This is blatantly nonfactual as they have set up a public board to review business objections to not being allowed to open, and other courts have upheld them as constitutional already, "without providing any process, venue, or judicial review to determine whether these Ohioans’ businesses are in fact safe enough to warrant operation". "This harm may only be remedied by a ruling from this Court, and Defendants must be immediately and permanently enjoined from imposing criminal, civil, or equitable sanctions on the safe operation of Ohio amusement and water parks including Plaintiffs." This is not the only way they can be freed of a perceived harm, they could use the review boards already in place that the courts already view as acceptable, and courts typically look down on plaintiffs that could have received relief elsewhere and didn't attempt that route first. Long story short the lawsuit doesn't look like it will be ruled on in Cedar Fairs favor, but IMHO this wont even go to trial purely due to the speed of our court systems. Reading elsewhere on what Cedar Fair plans to do to reopen, they are lacking in a few key areas compared to other parks that have been allowed to open. The biggest example is Cedar Fair believes they can safely social distance in a traditional que line whereas most every other chain has gone to a digital ride wait system. My speculation and it is purely speculation is that Dewine wants them to go to a similar system and Cedar Fair up to this point hasn't been willing to or is unable for some other reason and that is the hold up. Once they get this last sticking point worked out they will reopen with the rest of the parks, and remember only 1 park is operating in the entire country with everyone else due to open in the next week to couple months. What ever Disney does is going to be the standard everyone else will be held too. They have experience reopening parks in other countries and are a pillar of society that people look up to for guidance.
  4. Museums could be done with mandatory masks and limited capacity. Not only do you have to limit capacity for the museum itself, but each sub area would need a lower capacity as well. The increased employee cost with lower till revenue might make it impossible from a financial perspective, but it isn't impossible from a logistics perspective.
  5. Ah, I see now. That is a really good line of thinking, and they do apply some sort of force, but the amount of braking force is directly related to the speed of the object since they are eddy brakes. With the gondola creeping up they exert little force, but with the gondola going at 91 mph it exerts a significant force at first that decreases as the gondola slows to a stop. Below I have included a link, pdf warning, but it is a paper written by a couple physicist about how eddie current breaks work on roller coasters. They did some real world testing on Kanonen at Liseberg Amuesment Park in Gothenberg, Sweden. For those who don't want to click the link, here is the TL:DR "The faster the train, the stronger the currents induced, and the stronger the braking force." "Since the speed of the train is reduced by the brakes, stronger eddy currents are produced in the earlier brake fins and more energy is absorbed than in the later break run." http://physics.gu.se/LISEBERG/eng/magn_brakes.pdf
  6. Gravity does the pulling through the magnets though. The only energy expended by Drop Tower is the winch motor pulling the gondola and release mechanism to the top and a negligible amount spent on the sensors and servo's to move restraints and the like. Everything else is done by the Earth. The motors add the potential energy, just like the lift hill of a coaster and physics takes over from there.
  7. "Rare-earth magnets are strong permanent magnets made from alloys of rare-earth elements"(Wiki, 2020).Rare earth magnets require zero electricity, hence the permanent magnet part, which is exactly why they are used on rides. The only way they would lose their magnetism is if the world stopped spinning, which as you can imagine brings on an entire new set of problems. The magnets are not why the two rides had issues, it was the linear induction motors and the large 3 phase motor for Drop Towers lift. Both need large amounts of power in short amounts of time causing a brown out on the grid they are connected to. A LIM is just a giant capacitor that releases all its energy at once, but most be recharged quickly between each launch. Drop Tower has a huge 3 phase motor that according to park mechanics has an under sized capacitor leading to too large of a draw on startup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_magnet
  8. With Carnival a German restaurant would be a nice addition. In fact any variety beyond burgers and fries is a welcome addition. I would love to see a German sausage place with kraut and all the fixings, maybe even some schnitzel sandwiches. Fest house has so much potential and it is wasted on the typical park food.
  9. Fun fact, this is due to county fairs. Back in the day as fairs added rides, the obvious place to put the rides inspectors were under the department of agriculture as they were already involved with the fairs. Now Ohio is lucky to have two world-class amusement parks that obviously don't fall under the fair model and agriculture, but Ohio has left the inspectors alone as the overwhelming majority of their work still takes place at fairs and festivals.
  10. Sorry, my tone didn't come across great in my response, I should have phrased my wording better. Please don't ever be sorry for trying to learn.
  11. Why would they? They are conducting an acceptance test from the manufacturer to the park. Then the park will do the state testing which isn't nearly as involved as you think it is. It is more paperwork in nature then hands on inspecting. The manufacturer of each ride has a checklist the park will do before the state arrives. The state is worried that the park has "installed" the ride according to the manufacturers recommendations. This is things like counting bolts, not checking that they are tight. Checking that E-stops work and the ride completes a cycle or two with out issues. Ohio is one of the "stronger" states when ti comes to ride inspections, but they barely scratch the surface and leave the overwhelming majority of it up to the park and manufacturer to figure out. Ohio has 8 inspectors for 4,000ish rides in the state. Each one needs to inspect 500 rides spread across the state, 10 per week, 2 per day every day Monday through Friday. Now remember we are in Ohio, so most rides are down for the winter, which means the "season" to conduct ride inspections is even shorter, maybe 4-6 months April to maybe September, so now we are looking at 4-6 rides per day or 1-2 hours per ride max. We have fairs and festivals later then that, but each ride only has to be inspected the first time it enters the state in a given year.
  12. The thread got cleaned up and you were the longest surviving post so you inherited it.
  13. We should expect to see multiple dips and surges over time with the testing data. Right now only healthcare workers or inpatients that a positive test would change treatment are getting tested for the most part. You still have some drive up testing being done, but that makes up less then 10% of the number of people tested based on some quick math. These drive up test centers tend so also use the slow results methods. Had a buddy get tested with a doctors recommendation, and he is on day 8 of waiting for results and he was told to expect results in 10-14 days. Once these results start coming in the number will spike for about two weeks and then we will find our new "normal" rate of infections.
  14. Why should we believe anything any government tells us? I like to take anything anyone says with a grain of salt until I can verify it myself. I know this sub isn't for politics and I 100% agree with that rule, but out our national government has had an interesting history of the information shared during this crisis. Not pointing blame at any one person or group, just pointing out that every source of information should be vetted before you trust it. This is exactly why we can't compare our positive test rate to any other country. It is such a simplistic comparison that it really make the resulting analysis suspect. Unless information is in things such as a per capita rate or the like, it isn't a fir comparison. Then if you factor in each individual states first day of infection and any measures they may be taking to combat the spread, it is pretty hard to look at this pandemic from a nationwide perspective. For instance NYC is being devastated, but here in Ohio we are pretty much business as normal when it comes to hospitals. I do not have a stats background, but I am very curios to see the data and analysis once the experts have time to study the pandemic.
  15. China choose the fast and furious route and paid the price in human lives. We are trying the slow and methodical to save lives.
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