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  1. 11 hours ago, Oldschool75 said:

    They don’t make much off SS.

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    Some people with inside knowledge have said SS is a loss leader and only exists as it fits with managements personal and political beliefs.  If someone was bored enough, you could always go look up political donations to the GOP politicians who have spoke at the event and similar in the past. Or the fact the park has hosted things such as Sean Hannity's Freedom Concert and when park officials introduced Sean, called him a "dear friend and real leadership for the country". But none of that proves anything, but the land clearing along with previous survey markers in the area does make you wonder now doesn't it?

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  2. On 2/6/2021 at 5:38 PM, Captain Nemo said:

    Kind of ridiculous! They can tell themselves it isn't age discrimination but in a court of law I don't see that working in Cedar Fairs favor if it came to that.


    On 2/6/2021 at 5:50 PM, BoddaH1994 said:

    I think age discrimination only pertains to people above 65, so legally it’s probably okay. Ethically it’s very Kinzel-ish. 

    The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) only covers workers over the age of 40. But that only pertains to employment. This is not a requirement of employment so the ADEA does not apply to the dorms. As a private business they can choose who to rent to and who to not rent to, the same way a hotel or car rental company can require someone to be over 21/25/XX years old. Someone could sue if they wanted too, but the case would be moot as the law doesn't support their argument and I would imagine the judge would dismiss the case "with prejudice" meaning it couldn't be resubmitted later.


    https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination#:~:text=The Age Discrimination in Employment,younger workers from age discrimination.

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  3. 10 hours ago, BoddaH1994 said:

    ^ ...Often on private property. The idea of a cemetery came along later. So you’d have an arrangement like this or be buried in a graveyard*.

    I did not know that the cemetery was essentially lost. Just imagine if you were out hiking in the woods and you found an old, overgrown cemetery in the middle of the woods. How creepy would that be?

    *Fun fact: What is difference between a cemetery and a graveyard? A cemetery is a stand alone plot designated for burial while a graveyard serves the same function but is on the property of a church. 

    I have actually had this experience more then once, both hiking public spaces and exploring around a friends family farm in the hills of Kentucky.  Honestly, I find them more peaceful then creepy myself, but I am intrigued by the history in them, who is buried, what is their story, etc? 

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  4. Okay, its time for my review of Orion as I have somewhere between a dozen and a dozen and a half rides on her. I would rate Orion a 3.6, not great but also not terrible.  It is an okay ride at best and to me that is a bit disappointing.  If I had to choose Orion or one of the other B&M's in the park, Orion would be my third choice of B&M's in the park.  This was a huge investment from the park, and I am incredibly thankful for the investment, but this is not a ride that people will travel for. Millennium Force is known as a ride to travel for, which brings new money to the park, I just don't see Orion having the same effect.  Will I ride it again, of course yes! But I wouldn't wait more then a half hour to 45 minutes for it, I would rather spend that time waiting in line for something else at the park.   Should you ride it? Again that is a yes, it has some fun elements, speed hill and turn into the brakes, even if others leave more to be desired, looking at you wave turn and turn around, but everyone should ride it and form their own thoughts on her.

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  5. 6 hours ago, FreedomPenguin said:

    Well if you feel the need for security from vaccine go vaccinate, I will simply use my right to not, as I have zero concern about my immunity/health from it. 

    We all have opinions I will agree to disagree.

    And you are no different then the person who hides a zombie bite.  A vaccine is for herd immunity for those who can't get a vaccine for medical reasons.  Let me tell you about my buddy from the preschool I volunteer at, his name is Buddy*. Buddy has had a heart transplant and has since started to reject it. He is on immunity blocking drugs and the common cold could kill him. Buddy has been isolated with his mother as he can't even risk having a family member expose him, which means the last time he hugged his father or sisters was early March.  We don't get vaccines or wear a mask for ourselves, we wear a mask and get vaccinated for Buddy and everyone else like him who want to be safe but can't and are counting on us to help keep them safe.


    I support your right to not get vaccinated,  but if you choose to not take others health seriously, then please stay home to help keep those of us safe who are trying and doing our part.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, FOFirehawkFAN said:

    There is literally no social distancing going on everyone is just standing where they want none of these people are in my group


    Nice to see that social distancing isn't happening all while people wear their masks wrong. Can't wait till we all get locked down again. /s

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  7. 1 hour ago, coaster sally said:

    "Theme park expert Dennis Speigel, of the Ohio-based International Theme Park Services, said he is advising his clients with big new attractions to keep them under wraps and wait for the next normal vacation season to have a splashy debut."



    Thoughts on Orion being pushed back to next year?


    Well that is one possible strategy, goes against commonly held marketing beliefs and logic, guess we will see how it turns out cotton. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, Gabe said:

    It was? Quite the opposite.  Walt's park has the MaxPass, which is much easier to navigate.  As regards temp checks, the park isn't going to take each one individually.  People will pass under a thermal scanner, which is monitored.  Anyone showing above the threshold will be removed,

    My brother was at Disney World in late February and per his report most of the kids rides had you check in with a wrist band, and it gave you the time to come back. So they went to play until it was their turn to ride. He said they and other parents loved it and were raving about it.  This was outside the FastPass stuff they had. He stated this was unlimited and they were able to use FastPass elsewhere.

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  9. 36 minutes ago, DejaVu2001 said:

    Closing every other queue is not a solution. A queue is a complete back and forth section. They would have to completely reconfigure the queues cutting out and re welding sections of railing.

    Exactly why the only solution is a virtual queue but doesn't look like Cedar Fair has chosen to not go that route.  IMHO this is a mistake as virtual queuing is the future of amusement parks, case in point Disney was using it before the COVID-19 shut down and it was receiving rave reviews.  Keep people out of cattle corrals where they can't spend money, and get them out and moving to places they can spend money, seems like common sense to me that they will pay for themselves in a short amount of time.

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  10. 4 hours ago, flightoffear1996 said:

    They are not implementing a virtual queue?

    Nope, looks like lines on the ground in the queue. But from the Worlds of Fun video it doesn't look very effective. They are good in front and behind you, but forget that you also need to worried with left and right as well.

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  11. 1 hour ago, chibul said:

    It sounds to me like standard queues - they mention social distancing in the queues, and there's no mention at all of a virtual system. 


    I may be wrong, but a season pass at this point might cost less than a two-day ticket? 

    That is what I assume it to be as well but was trying to get a confirmation from an official source.

  12. 1 hour ago, DonHelbig said:

    You won't until later this month. It will be announced when you can begin to purchase or reserve a visit. 

    What is the process for ride ques? Is Cedar Fair/ Kings Island going to use a virtual system or is the idea to try to maintain social distancing in the "cattle corals"?

  13. 9 hours ago, Driver8rws said:


    I think the lawsuit was just a publicity stunt and they already knew the date they'd be allowed to open.  Hence the white tents already up at the entrance.

    Be careful saying that on this site, anything not praising the park will catch flak around here.  If you read the suit they filed, they said they were ready to open immediately, but here we are still waiting for them to announce a date in the future even though they have been given permission. This is nothing more then a publicity stunt and IMHO a bad decision by the park.

  14. 41 minutes ago, CheetahDrew said:

    Oh it is finally over, Thank God, I truly believe that he would not have made this announcement today if they had not filed that lawsuit. 

    During the press conference Dewine said he told the business in this "other" category he would make the announcement in a week and that was a week ago meaning he planned to announce this today all along and the suit was nothing but an insult.

  15. 20 minutes ago, teenageninja said:

    I would look more to the lawsuit filed in Lake County Ohio in which the Gyms sued to be able to open, rather than the items you quoted.  The ruling happened very quickly and favorably for the gyms.

    "the ruling affirms that facilities must follow Ohio Department of Health safety protocols to keep patrons and all Ohioans safe and healthy. These facilities were due to open Tuesday anyways. However, our office disagrees with the ruling’s analysis of law.” 


    All Dewine would have to do is say we well the rules say no more then X people in a given area, and neither park has provided a plan on how to comply with that.  A great example of this is the fact Cedar Fair plans to use traditional que lines, the state would be able to argue that mass groups of people put into a small space can't be done in complacence with the rules. That is also a single case in the state where multiple other cases have been ruled against the business case in point, Gilded Social v. Amy Acton where a bridal shop was ruled against.  When we consider case law we can not look sideways but must look upwards, what did the appellate court rule, what about the supreme court what have they said?


    I want the park to open just as much as everyone else, and do believe it can be done safe as is evident with other parks like Disney Shanghai opening. But this route was a poor choice for the park as the general thought is the parks were due to be announced in the next few days, most suspecting Friday the 5th anyways. I do not blame the park for this lawsuit either, they are under incredible pressure from the Warren County Commissioners that has been asking them to sue since the March.  The park is currently a pawn in a political game, a very unenviable position to be in.

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  16. 7 hours ago, Klabergian Empire said:

    "unsee the flavor

    Bro...thats like saying:



    Anyway....How do y'all think this lawsuit will work out?


    3 hours ago, PatchesC said:

    Is there a date for it to go in front of a judge already? For all I know it could be sitting in a very big pile a judge won't review for weeks.


    Without the government giving a date they can open, financially it may not make sense to even bring people in for training. They had already stated they needed a few weeks for that, so if DeWine would have given the okay to open immediately it'd be the earliest June 18th to 25th pushing training and final prep. The health order as is gives them 26 days till July 1st thats it.

    Not great, and IMHO it was a tactical error on the parks part, but the park is being pushed by the Warren County Commissioners so they are between a rock and a hard place.  Every other time someone has sued to reopen in Ohio and federal court, the courts side against the business and they stay closed but now with the added cost of court. The case wont be heard by a judge for 60-90 days, and then wont be ruled on for up to a year. And if at the end of a year if they are still closed, and not just reopened with the lifting of restrictions, now we begin the appeal process which is up to 3-5 years between cases.  The standard on how the courts will treat all of these cases is South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California.  This is a very recent supreme court ruling, and yes it is a ruling even thought they never heard arguments which is an extraordinary measure. But the Supreme Court upheld churches being closed, and churches have more autonomy to stay open then a business. Below is a telling paragraph and will be cited everywhere else to throw out these lawsuits.  All of this lawsuit did was make Kings Island a hostile party to the Governor, the park is being used as a pawn by the county commissioners and in the end the park is the one who will get hurt.


    The precise question of when restrictions on particular social activities should be lifted during the pandemic is a dynamic and fact-intensive matter subject to reasonable disagreement. Our Constitution principally entrusts “[t]he safety and the health of the people” to the politically ac-countable officials of the States “to guard and protect.” Ja-cobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11, 38 (1905). When those officials “undertake[] to act in areas fraught with medical and scientific uncertainties,” their latitude “must be especially broad.” Marshall v. United States, 414 U. S. 417, 427 (1974). Where those broad limits are not exceeded, they should not be subject to second-guessing by an “une-lected federal judiciary,” which lacks the background, com-petence, and expertise to assess public health and is not ac-countable to the people. See Garciav. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, 469 U. S. 528, 545 (1985).




    So I have now had a chance to read the court filling in its entirety and it is not great.  If my lawyer filled this in court, I would be embarrassed with all of the cutting and pasting errors and obvious revision where things were removed but the grammar wasn't updated to reflect that.  "that  latitude  remains  subject  to  limitations imposed by both the Ohio Constitution", both what? In other parts they politicize the topic while in others they make claims that are illogical and go against existing law. "The Ohio Department of Health, its Director, and county health departments claim the authority to criminalize and fine operation of safe amusement and water parks." Yeah they do that every single day across the state and country, i.e. food safety laws.  This is blatantly nonfactual as they have set up a public board to review business objections to not being allowed to open, and other courts have upheld them as constitutional already, "without providing any process, venue, or judicial review to determine whether these Ohioans’ businesses are in fact safe enough to warrant operation". "This harm may only be remedied by a ruling from this Court, and Defendants must be immediately and permanently enjoined from imposing criminal, civil, or equitable sanctions on the safe operation of Ohio amusement and water parks including Plaintiffs."  This is not the only way they can be freed of a perceived harm, they could use the review boards already in place that the courts already view as acceptable, and courts typically look down on plaintiffs that could have received relief elsewhere and didn't attempt that route first. 


    Long story short the lawsuit doesn't look like it will be ruled on in Cedar Fairs favor, but IMHO this wont even go to trial purely due to the speed of our court systems. Reading elsewhere on what Cedar Fair plans to do to reopen, they are lacking in a few key areas compared to other parks that have been allowed to open.  The biggest example is Cedar Fair believes they can safely social distance in a traditional que line whereas most every other chain has gone to a digital ride wait system.  My speculation and it is purely speculation is that Dewine wants them to go to a similar system and Cedar Fair up to this point hasn't been willing to or is unable for some other reason and that is the hold up.  Once they get this last sticking point worked out they will reopen with the rest of the parks, and remember only 1 park is operating in the entire country with everyone else due to open in the next week to couple months.  What ever Disney does is going to be the standard everyone else will be held too. They have experience reopening parks in other countries and are a pillar of society that people look up to for guidance.

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  17. 7 hours ago, Hawaiian Coasters 325 said:

    Trying not to get my hopes up too high since he did say most of the venues is good news. However, he did say something about how it's better when it's mostly outdoors referencing the zoo which amusement parks are pretty much outdoors as well. He then said that inside is where it gets harder so part of my feeling is the not so great news may be at the museum center and other museums since they are pretty much indoors. 

    Museums could be done with mandatory masks and limited capacity. Not only do you have to limit capacity for the museum itself, but each sub area would need a lower capacity as well.  The increased employee cost with lower till revenue might make it impossible from a financial perspective, but it isn't impossible from a logistics perspective.

  18. On 6/2/2020 at 11:36 AM, teenageninja said:

    I know, I'm saying when the motor is pulling the gondola through the brake portion, it is exerting a higher load, hence why it speeds up when it gets through the brakes.


    On 6/2/2020 at 1:15 PM, goettablitz said:

    That is what i was attempting to say.

    Ah, I see now.  That is a really good line of thinking, and they do apply some sort of force, but the amount of braking force is directly related to the speed of the object since they are eddy brakes.  With the gondola creeping up they exert little force, but with the gondola going at 91 mph it exerts a significant force at first that decreases as the gondola slows to a stop.  Below I have included a link, pdf warning, but it is a paper written by a couple physicist about how eddie current breaks work on roller coasters. They did some real world testing on Kanonen at Liseberg Amuesment Park in Gothenberg, Sweden.  For those who don't want to click the link, here is the TL:DR "The faster the train, the stronger the currents induced, and the stronger the braking force." "Since the speed of the train is reduced by the brakes, stronger eddy currents are produced in the earlier brake fins and more energy is absorbed than in the later break run." 





  19. 21 hours ago, teenageninja said:

    I had originally thought of replying to him, but I was thinking he was saying that it required more energy to pull through the magnets, but I also may have misread.,

    Gravity does the pulling through the magnets though. The only energy expended by Drop Tower is the winch motor pulling the gondola and release mechanism to the top and a negligible amount spent on the sensors and servo's to move restraints and the like.  Everything else is done by the Earth.  The motors add the potential energy, just like the lift hill of a coaster and physics takes over from there.

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  20. On 5/28/2020 at 6:46 AM, goettablitz said:

    because the magnetic brakes are rare earth magnets and are therefor always energized

    "Rare-earth magnets are strong permanent magnets made from alloys of rare-earth elements"(Wiki, 2020).Rare earth magnets require zero electricity, hence the permanent magnet part, which is exactly why they are used on rides.  The only way they would lose their magnetism is if the world stopped spinning, which as you can imagine brings on an entire new set of problems.  The magnets are not why the two rides had issues, it was the linear induction motors and the large 3 phase motor for Drop Towers lift.   Both need large amounts of power in short amounts of time causing a brown out on the grid they are connected to. A LIM is just a giant capacitor that releases all its energy at once, but most be recharged quickly between each launch. Drop Tower has a huge 3 phase motor that according to park mechanics has an under sized capacitor leading to too large of a draw on startup. 


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  21. On 5/18/2020 at 8:06 PM, silver2005 said:

    I don't think there's all the big a demand for German food in a theme park seeing outside of parks more specialized in European theming like BGW and EPCOT. 

    With Carnival a German restaurant would be a nice addition.  In fact any variety  beyond burgers and fries is a welcome addition.  I would love to see a German sausage place with kraut and all the fixings, maybe even some schnitzel sandwiches.   Fest house has so much potential and it is wasted on the typical park food.

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  22. 18 hours ago, Maverick44 said:

    Make one wonder how the heck the dept of agro is in charge of these massvie rides haha. 

    Fun fact, this is due to county fairs. Back in the day as fairs added rides, the obvious place to put the rides inspectors were under the department of agriculture as they were already involved with the fairs. Now Ohio is lucky to have two world-class amusement parks that obviously don't fall under the fair model and agriculture, but Ohio has left the inspectors alone as the overwhelming majority of their work still takes place at fairs and festivals.

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  23. On 5/14/2020 at 7:22 AM, PatchesC said:

    I didn't know how involved inspectors may or may not be during the construction of a new ride. Sorry for ignorance.

    Sorry, my tone didn't come across great in my response, I should have phrased my wording better.  Please don't ever be sorry for trying to learn. 

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