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  1. 33 minutes ago, Tr0y said:

    Banshee - Bizzaro 

    Drop Tower - Lex Luther Drop of Doom

    The Bat - The Dark Knight Flight

    Delerium - DC Super-villains Swing

    Congo Falls - Aquaman: Power Wave

    Invertigo - Two Face: The ride

    X-treme Skyflyer - SuperGirl Skyflyer

    Timberwolf Theatre - Removed for 2025  coaster?

    I will not stand for this. We need an actual retheme that’s not just slapping an ip in an area. If this happens then we are basically back to Paramount.

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  2. 14 minutes ago, rhyano said:

    I certainly was not expecting this, anyways the next 12-24 months are going to be very interesting looking at potential parks sold or even closed, I surly don't see all 40 some parks in one chain, that's just doesn't seem feasible. I think right away I'm thinking about the person that has Dorney Park or Six Flags America as their home park. 

    I’d be wayyyy more worried about Six Flags America. Clearly CF has plans with Iron Menace next year. Personally, besides CGA I think all the CF parks will be fine.

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  3. 23 minutes ago, Tr0y said:

    I would not be surprised if Action Zone gets rethemed to DC Universe. Since that’s the area most guest believe there needs to be a theming change.

    Be careful what you wish for, we begged and wished for a giga coaster. Look what that got us.

    Hey it wasn’t me lol I didn’t wish for a giga. Even thought it was a nice addition.

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  4. Don’t know if this is true or not but someone told me that the park names would stay the same. I hope that is true. I couldn’t stand Six Flags Mason Ohio. If Cedar Fair knows what they are doing then I think they will go well. Cedar Fair seems to be in charge after the deal. Most of their executives are at the top. 

    I just hope that Banshee doesn’t become Batman the ride and Orion become Superman the ride. If that happens I am personally calling Hershend to save us.
     

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  5. Wow… I don’t know what to say… I never thought I’d see the day…

    As long as CF makes a push to keep our parks the same and turn the other SIX parks into nicer parks then I’m fine but if it goes the other way… things could turn badly FAST. If we start to turn into a Six Flags park then I will pray that Hershend steps in and buys KI. This deal could go either way.

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  6. 19 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

    Each coaster does something different so it doesn’t really seem as saturated as I had originally thought. 

    Thunderbird, GateKeeper, X-Flight, & Wild Eagle are all completely different rides with just wing trains if you think of it:

    Thunderbird is your standard launched coaster

    X-Flight is kinda has a flying coaster layout

    Wild Eagle is your traditional looping coaster

    GateKeeper can be seen as what an actual wing coaster should be

     

    Problem is the GP aren’t going to look at things like that they are going to see the train design and go “oh that looks like a coaster I rode at Holiday World, or Cedar Point” (etc). It’s not about the layout is the same train design that the GP look at.

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  7. 35 minutes ago, Tr0y said:

    They’ve been preparing for this for a while. No wonder Ouimet got voted out.

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    Stop. This is going to haunt me for the rest of my life lol. Even worse. Six Flags Mason Ohio.

    I can’t remember which source it was but I saw them say in the article that if this deal goes through it could be announced at tomorrow morning’s earnings call. We’ll have to see if that’s true.

    8 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

    While I’m not for this, I’m personally not against this if it is done right. In my opinion, some Six Flags parks are essentially Cedar Fair parks already: Six Flags Great America and Fiesta Texas for example. If you take a SEAS approach where you split your brands, it would work…SEAS operates Sea World, Busch Gardens, and Sesame Place. So with that regard, some Six Flags parks would remain Six Flags while others would adopt a Cedar Fair mind set with individualized identities. This is all just a scenario but I don’t think it would be terrible.
     

    Let me be straight, I wouldn’t want Six Flags to touch any current Cedar Fair property, it would be the other way around where Cedar Fair is influencing Six Flags- I don’t want to see The Bat become Batman: The Ride. 

    I 100% agree. If it’s more CF directed deal then I’m all for it. But if it’s more Six Flags then I’m against it all the way. 

     

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  8. 39 minutes ago, BoddaH1994 said:

    Certainly not out of the question. On my pod a few weeks ago, Joel Manby admitted that HFE threw their hat in the ring to purchase Paramount. I’ve actually heard of rumor attempts for them to buy KI as late as 2014. HFE clearly wants KI, they would just need it peeled off in order to afford it.

    I’m on board with HFE buying KI. They run SDC and Dollywood do well. Plus that would open the door to more Vekoma and maybe even RMC and Mack. I don’t think they would raise prices insanely high because KI is not that type of park. Plus Hershend owns Kentucky Kingdom and they charge 35 dollar day tickets.

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  9. 43 minutes ago, DispatchMaster said:

    B&M delivers exceptionally well built, reliable, and efficient products. So that's a great rut to be stuck in.

    Or a B&M wing coaster, which would be another good fit for The Vortex plot.

    I don't get the desire for a Mack Extreme Spinner. Spinning rides have limited appeal compared to something like, say, Copperhead Strike.

    The problem with getting a B&M wing is GateKeeper is 3 hours away and if we wanted to do a launch to differentiate, Thunderbird is 2 hours away so it wouldn’t be very different from the surrounding area coasters. If we were to get a B&M I think a surf would work really well.

    I have heard that Copperhead Strike did not deliver the product CF wanted. It doesn’t have a high capacity and didn’t boost attendance like CF wanted. 

    The reason I have been hoping we get an extreme spinner is that there is nothing like it anywhere near here. Sure CP had Wild Mouse but that’s small. We’ve never in the history of KI had a spinning coaster. Silver Dollar City brings in a ton of families but Time Traveler is easily the most popular ride there. And that’s not just capacity. It has 3 trains. I’ve talked to guests and enthusiasts in line who have ridden all the coasters at SDC and 99% of them said Time Traveler was their favorite at the park. During an hour span, me and a couple enthusiasts I met were marathoning it and it was not at all nauseating. Plus you get a different ride experience every time. I even rode when it was off balance and I was the only one in the car and I was spinning like crazy but I got off and didn’t even feel sick one bit.

     

  10. 1 hour ago, SonofBaconator said:

    To be honest, what’s a ride experience that’s missing from KI? I’m not saying what type of ride, I’m saying what experience- something that delivers something unique. For The Bat it’s the sensation of swinging through the air, for Diamondback it’s floater airtime, you get the picture. 
     

    We don’t have an above the track looper which I argue delivers a different experience than an invert. We don’t have anything that gives hangtime (unless you solely count the last inversion on Banshee.) We also don’t have anything that has crazy ejector but I don’t know that we’ll see that since Intamin and RMC are great at that and CF isn’t working with them at this moment.

    I feel like when I described what experiences we’re missing (excluding ejector), I’m basically describing a Mack multi launch or a B&M dive.

    A spinning coaster 100%. Mack extreme spinner can fill all of those gaps. Hangtime, ejector airtime, above the track looping coaster. I’d also like to throw that we don’t offer a modern launch coaster

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  11. 49 minutes ago, marineman said:

    I am very disappointed in the SSBR (now that we've established that acronym, lol), mostly because my fear is KI will use it to delay building anything significant for at least 2 years. I was really, really hoping for a big, legit 2025 coaster, but I certainly wouldn't bet on that now despite a couple years of rather uneventful releases in the ride department. I mean, the barrel ride? Really!?!?

    Speaking to The Vortex plot, it doesn't have to be a very small coaster. There a lot of woods to the far side that could be used, up to and including the area between Beast, Racers, and Orion with a clever track layout. There's also a big plot to the other side of The Beast, all the way over to White Water Canyon and Mystic Timbers that wouldn't be totally off limits with some creativity (though they won't do it). KI has just been stuck in a B&M rut and they suck at compact coasters (aside from dives, which are largely not very good IMHO), but plenty of companies have made very good rides that would easily fit that space. RMC (albeit an unlikely candidate), Mack, Vekoma, S&S, and even Zamperla. I really hope they go a different direction than B&M for whatever the next ride i, especially in that plot. We could do so, so much better with it.

    I'm still keeping my fingers crossed SSBR isn't ruling out a '25 project too, but if I were one to bet, I'd say it probably does.
     

    I wouldn’t say it’s off the table yet because CP added 2 coasters back to back but with 2 maybe more CF parks adding coasters in 2025, I think 2026 is our year. 2024 the focus is on CP and Dorney. 2025 is most likely Canada’s Wonderland and (redacted) with also a shot of Carowinds getting a water related ride of some sort. I think 2026 will be KI and Valleyfair’s year. Personally I think KI is in a test period for their next coaster. I think CF wants to wait to buy more coasters from Zamperla until they see how TT2 turns out and I think KI is waiting to see how Vekoma handles things next year before deciding. We could get anything. The only manufacturer off the table is Intamin.

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  12. 12 minutes ago, Imperial79 said:

    I think Camp Snoopy will be done by opening day, they started this month so they have till April, 6 months working on it should be enough to get it done.  

    1. Would be nice to see a new changing/restroom building near the Tidal Wave Bay area. 

    2. New pavers under and around the Eiffel Tower.

    3. Add some LED lights on the Log Flumes drop, it used to have lights, and this would look great at night! 

    4. This is not for 2024 but in the future build a new hotel next to Soak City, like what CF did with Carowinds. The park would make more money with it and could get nice views of SC and KI at night from upper floors. 

    I don’t know if you saw my construction updates post but it is not looking good for Camp Snoopy being open by opening day. Well, at least not Snoopy’s Soap Box Racers. Vekoma confirmed to Holiday world that they would be opening the first family boomerang in the US. They wouldn’t say where the others were going but theirs would be the first to open in 2024. 

  13. 11 minutes ago, Hawaiian Coasters 325 said:

    I haven't been keeping much track of things, but I have not heard any announcement of blue racer getting the second half done. It might've been said awhile ago and just missed it, but where did this get confirmed?

    I believe both Racer and Beast trackwork were done in 2022 (more Beast work though as Racer was just a small section in 22), but still both can be done at the same time especially if it involves just that one turn before lift 2

    Or just get rid of the front and back line dividers altogether. At this point it is just a way for people to try and bypass the remainder of the line if the line is backed up on one side, but not the other (even I've been guilty of doing it at times). Not at just Bat, but at rides like Beast and Viking Fury that still have 2 sided station queues and only use one.  Plus at Beast when they assign rows it basically makes the whole lines for front or back of train kinda pointless. I'd rather see the park get rid of the divided queues altogether. They did it with Racer's queue last year where the queue house isn't divided anymore. 

    When the red Racer retrack was announced they said in 2024 blue will receive the finished retrack on the second half. I don’t know the specific date of the tweet but for reference It was the same day Voyage was announced to receive a retrack for this season. Kind of random connection but only thing I could think of to link the dates.

    Correct me if I am wrong but hasn’t the front and back on The Beast been completely removed this year? The signs were removed and a trash can blocks the back of the train entrance.


     

  14. What improvements/additions would you like to see in 2024? I’ll state what we know is coming then share my thoughts. 

    1. Camp Snoopy. (Including Snoopy’s Soap Box Racers and Beagle Scout Acres. With a possible Flying Ace retheme and repaint.

    2. Blue Racer second half retrack. 
     

    • I would like to see more re tracking done on The Beast. The new track has really improved the ride experience however the turn into the second lift is starting to get rough in my opinion. However, with The Racer retrack coming next year this isn’t very likely until 2025.
    • Camp Snoopy open by opening day. I know this is just being picky but it did hurt opening day this year when AP wasn’t ready. I’ve stated this in the construction updates topic but with that information I stated there it is not very likely to see it open until summer. 
    • I think a sign showing which direction is the front and the back of the train would really help The Bat. I don’t know how many times I saw people in the line for the back of the train go up front of the train slowing ops down by going in front of front of the people in line for the front of the train. A sign that shows which line is for which would really help operations.
       

     

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  15. 27 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

     

    I wouldn’t know, I ran a simulation of it on Planet Coaster a few years ago but that’s a computer game mind you.

    This would cause a train to stop on the mid course break run unless the crew can dispatch the train in 60 seconds. Because Steve does not have multi move so it would take even longer for the trains to park in each block zone before a train can roll through the mid course break run. To achieve this they would have to dispatch right after the outer bank airtime hill.

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  16. 6 hours ago, SonofBaconator said:

    Add a fourth train to Steel Vengeance and turn the transfer track into a block zone where the train stops before ascending the lift hill- though this would ruin the pops of airtime you get before the base of the hill.

    This most likely cause set ups though. And that would further worsen the problem of slow lines.

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    I’ve just heard something on the Holiday World podcast that I thought would be worth sharing. Take this with a grain of salt. I decided to listen to the HW podcast on Good Gravy to see what was new with the project and I heard something that caught my attention. They started talking about SSBR and how they like the theme but then they mentioned that Vekoma was quiet about where the other Vekoma boomerangs were going during project development but could confirm them that Holiday world’s would be the first to open next year. Now this isn’t 100% confirmed but I would not be surprised to see SSBR open in the summer like Adventure Port did last year. Holiday World has stated that Good Gravy is scheduled to open with opening day May 4th. What are your guys thoughts on this?

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  18. 14 hours ago, WoodVengeance said:

    I do think it's likely we may very well see a new coaster with near-misses, quick transitions, and/or multiple smooth inversions, but I don't think we would see something that's like an exact replica of a coaster that already exists at Cedar Point. I think Cedar Fair does want to have the coaster lineups for Kings Island and Cedar Point as different from each other as possible, since it helps give people more reasons to visit both parks. That's not to say it's unlikely Kings Island would get a coaster model that already exists at Cedar Point, as Banshee was added to Kings Island when Cedar Point already had Raptor. However, it is worth noting that these two coasters were built 20 years apart and that definitely does become apparent if you look at how the two rides differentiate from one another. (Raptor being more snappy, while Banshee is more graceful. Raptor having traditional OTSRs, while Banshee has vest restraints. etc.) Even if they're both the same model, they do feel like completely different rides. (Also, Inverts are just so common that I don't really think Cedar Fair really cared if they built a second one in Ohio)

    Even if Kings Island gets a coaster model that Cedar Point has, it's likely it would have some sort of key difference or marketing draw to help set it apart from its counterpart at Cedar Point. Take a Dive Coaster for instance. If Kings Island wanted to add a Dive Coaster in the future, they may look to put a beyond-vertical drop on it (like Dr. Diabolical's Cliffhanger or Iron Menace) and/or add different elements to help differentiate it from Valravn. Either that or they go with a completely different ride model/manufacturer to help it stand out even more.

    I think our next coaster will definitely be a thrill coaster with the addition of Snoopy’s Soap Box Racers. I think it’s highly likely it comes in 2026. With an outside shot of 2025. With 10 of our 15 coasters (including SSBR) being 48 inch height requirement or lower I think the park will focus on something that doesn’t have to have a 48 inch height requirement. If it comes with it that will be a bonus but I don’t think that is what the park will be focusing on.

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  19. 2 hours ago, Maddog said:

    Not getting into an argument about brain/head size here :P but any restraint near my head sucks.  I don't like it when my head, or ear, or anything hits a restraint.  OTS restraints suck, period.  The vest style is far superior from a rider comfort perspective.  

    B&M has developed a new type of OTS restraint that can be seen on Monster at Grona Lund. It is smaller than the bulky ones from the original ones. B&M seems to be going away from vest restraints on inverts after Banshee. The new Phoenix rising will feature lapbars. I really like the vest restraints on every B&M except Banshee. Banshee’s crush my thighs and other coasters with the same restraint don’t. The dive coasters and wing coasters aren’t as positive G focused as Banshee is so they don’t come down so hard on my thighs. This is not to say that I don’t like Banshee, it’s my 2nd favorite invert behind Afterburn. I really do like it, it’s just an improvement I would like to see.

  20. 1 hour ago, Maddog said:

    I'm with @DoomPlague, I don't get the calls for OTS restraints on Banshee.  The vests are FAR more comfortable.  Raptor is an unpleasant head-banger, and if Banshee reverted to that I would never ride it again.

    Banshee wouldn’t be a headbanger like Raptor with OTS restraints. The vest trains are lighter so they currently rattle around the track like crazy. With the OTS restraints the trains would be heavier so it would run smoother. The reason Raptor is rough is because next year it turns 30.

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