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But that's a day the park is closed. Most of the time the Cedar Fair parks usually announce a major attraction on a day they're open like with Diamondback or Gatekeeper.

Dinosaurs Alive! was announced to the public in March of 2011, Firehawk was in February of 2007, and I believe Nickelodeon Universe was roughly mid-September of 2005. With the addition of the scarecrows, I think that Friday the 13th would be the perfect date to do a simple press release for the new attraction.

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If you have been on one invert u have been on them all, since Kings Island didn't have a hyper it made sense, the perfect park would be full of hypers, gigas, maverick clones, a TTD like coaster, and anything else that is fast and tall, the only good thing about gimmick type coasters is that it draws the idiots away from the good coasters

So all the idiots are at Cedar Point and Magic Mountain, because the good coasters that get consistently ranked as the best of the best aren't at either of those two parks. Glad you cleared that up for me.

[Anyone still have a 2011 Park Map?]

So, I collect park maps for every amusement park I go to, and every season I go. I was going through my collection and I realized that I'm missing a 2011 Kings Island map. Does anyone have a spare that I could buy off of you or the knowledge to point me where to look?

I can point you to a map. There, knowledge.

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I think we all have way too much time on our hands.

If that were the case, the people smart enough to use all that time would have already been in the future riding the new attraction.

...That was a really bad time traveler's joke (hopefully last Friday's Time Travel Committee meeting will get into a discussion about the proper timing of jokes). It was either that, or I'd ask those with too much time on their hands to share it with the rest of us so we can have our turn at the condo (even worse timeshare humor).

[Haunt Thoughts 2013]

What should have been there was: after watching the short dinosaur movie at Kings Island we saw alot of clues that urgent scare was still up. And I would say that carnevil is still up.

From my understanding, the indoor haunts that stay up year-round are Urgent Scare, CarnEvil, Club Blood, Wolf Pack, and last year's Madame Fatale's. These are in locations that aren't used by guests during the regular season and aren't used for storage, which is why Mysteria isn't on the list as they store a lot of Haunt props inside in the off-season. Massacre Manor isn't on the list either because it apparently is not coming back this season. Although, given their track record of "retheming" former mazes and calling them "new", I'm not holding my breath for Manor's replacement to potentially wow me.

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Guys, I know what the roller coaster is, what it's named, what color it is, I know everything about it.

It's a B&M invert. It has a height of 244 feet, a drop 231 feet long, a speed of 77 mph, and a length of 4679 feet.

It will also feature 8 inversions, here is the ride experience: 219 foot loop, making it the tallest in the world, a 180 ft dive loop, a zero g roll, cobra roll, another zero g roll, 270 degree helix, MCBR, 128 foot drop, interlocking corkscrews, then an unexpected heartline roll before entering the station.

The colors are green track and teal supports, and the name is... Banshee!

You should see the announcement withing the next couple of days on KI's website.

I really doubt what I have highlighted in red.

I love how the one thing that threw you off was the announcement date.

I wonder how many of these clowns would be so big and bad if they weren't hiding behind their computers & smartphones...

I would as I moonlight as a clown for a haunted house.

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No. It was much, much worse.

I actually don't recall what was worse...the fights over Diamondback...or the massive Cedar Fair bandwagon of hate from the back-to-back additions of Planet Snoopy and Dinosaurs Alive!/WindSeeker.

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Has anyone toyed around with the possibility that Banshee may be used as a Haunt name? Perhaps Banshee will replace Massacre Manor.

They don't usually trademark their Haunts. As a matter of fact, I don't think a single one is trademarked.

Not individual houses, but they've apparently trademarked "Amusement Dark" as a potential new slogan for the Cedar Fair Haunts.

[Haunt Thoughts 2013]

A tad early to be getting stuff out for Haunt, isn't it?

Compared to other theme park haunts - like Universal Studios who has several of their indoor houses already built - I'd say Kings Island is right on schedule with their preparations.

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If true, that this is an invert, this would make the third coaster in this area where riders are below the track. To me, this doesn't sound like it's been thought through enough. Personally, I'm hoping for a floorless or a B&M giga. I'd hate to see another suspended type coaster in this area.

-T. Forsaken

If you want to get technical, currently only one attraction in Action Zone isn't "suspended" or leaves riders' legs dangling off the ground, and that is Congo Falls.

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I just rode Intimidator at Carowinds. I noticed that there were multiple triangular supports. I know that this has been mentioned before but there are at least 5 or so and most of them are for a single support, not multiple ones like the 2014 construction is showing. Curious....

It's going to be a intamin giga watch and see. 4breast seating with lapbars.

Open-air trains?

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^ And how do the seats feel? Are there Big Boy options available?

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No, families all over 54".

So what happens to the families with smaller children? Does the entire demographic get neglected and the crowds--along with their money--go elsewhere?

Yes Crypt. That is exactly what I'm saying. By building a giga, they will probably need to remove all of Planet Snoopy rides effectively neglecting everyone with small kids and driving them into the arms of traveling carnivals and circuses who will be be the only ones around to provide any rides for people with small kids. Families with teen, pre teen, and growth disorder children will rejoice.

Well, it is festival season right now.....

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Secondson wrote: In my ever-so-humble but outspoken opinion, the only reason a giga exists is for the sake of feeding the thrill enthusiasts' desire for ever-increasing height and speed. But then after they've had their fill and get bored, they crave more...something even higher and faster. At what point does it become enough? Read my previous post. At what height and speed would a coaster need to be for it to satisfy you? And what happens when you get bored with it, but there are no other higher and faster coasters left to conquer?

That's not only why gigas exist, it's the reason amusement parks exist. You act like feeding thrill seekers desires is a bad thing. It's actually the business plan. If you aren't seeking thrills, why go to KI? You can go to the community park and ride the slide and go swimming in the community pool. Feeding thrill seekers desires is what KI is. That's why we don't have 6 Racers. How high is high enough? How fast is fast enough? I'm not sure, but we'll let them know when they get there.

By your logic, that means Planet Snoopy shouldn't exist. Amusement parks need to cater to ALL demographics. As overrated as Cedar Point is, it has pretty much everything under one roof, even having as many as THREE areas for the little kids. As for the thrill seekers' business plan being the only plan worth doing, need people be, once again, reminded of Worlds of Adventure?

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If it is an Invert I would be very disappointed. I would rather have a Giga or Wind Rider or even a Dive coaster.

I agree.

I third that. Doesn't anyone else think inverts are outdated? And head swirlers?

From a realistic standpoint, I'd say the Giga coaster itself is "outdated". In the thirteen years since the debut of Millennium Force at Cedar Point, only one other Timmy Giga has been built (305), along with a single Morgan (Steel Dragon 2K), and one B&M (Levi). Whereas in the thirteen years since the debut of Katun at Mirabilandia, thirteen other inverted coasters have been built, and that's not even counting the nineteen before Katun.

Sure, Millie has continued to rank at the top of the Golden Ticket Awards for Best Steel Coaster, and Leviathan is B&M's first Giga of their own, but why is Steel Dragon the only Giga outside of a Cedar Fair park? Why didn't Six Flags try for a Giga, even after 305 (Kingda Ka notwithstanding)? Why, in the ten years in between Millie and 305, where there no other Timmy Gigas built, but instead a mish-mash of Hypers, Stratas, and other Launchers?

It would be very weird that Leviathan be the only Giga from B&M, so I would assume more will be churned out from them over the coming years. But, to me, it doesn't look as if Gigas aren't as big of a crowd seller as the enthusiast community would desperately like you to believe. Otherwise, there would be at least seven more that were already built by whomever, instead of the focus now being spent on third-party companies like Gerstlauer, Mack, and Zierer, or the next new gimmick, like the B&M Flyer, Dive Coaster, and Wing Rider.

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I am surprised screamscape did not post there was Intamin track seen on 71S.

I see two potential options for this:

1. You can email Lance about your sightings and he'll post it within the next 48 hours on the site and we can further waste posts about how Screamscape should be taken with grains of salt and is wholly unreliable after he does, or
2. You can divulge every bit of information you have regarding the B&M/Intamin Giga coaster you are so desperately sure is being built on the grave of Sonny, giving us names of contractors and sources so they themselves can get fired from the project.

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it does look like ring master is right

Upstop deserves the credit as he made the comparison to Montu first.

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I can see that happening. And I also don't see it interfering with AE too much to ruin the experience (maybe just the few seconds of calm and relaxation before dropping into the first tunnel).

The thing that irks me, though, is the possibility of bottlenecks for the new attraction in that location, and Action Zone itself is one big alley full of bottlenecks. I sincerely hope at least a new path is constructed that goes behind Delirium/Sling Shot and connects to AE/Coke Oasis Plaza.

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I'm clamoring for an invert. There, I said it.

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for your comparson.

Dangit, everyone else beat me to it.

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On a side note...has Screamscape ever been correct in its predictions? At any time?

While I didn't check out many theme park fansites as much as here and KIExtreme (exceptions being OrlandoUnited for Harry Potter and Horror Night Nightmares every HHN), Screamscape managed to snag details on:

• Diamondback
• The Simpsons Ride @ Universal Orlando
• Wizarding World of Harry Potter Phase One & Two
• New Fantasyland @ Magic Kingdom

Those are some of the most recent ones I can think of. Thing is with Screamscape, though, is that it's designed to be a hodgepodge of rumors, gossip, and information from multiple sources and fansites all rolled up into one mega site. Of course, most of what Lance puts up on his site is either a few days late (especially if you've been watching his Kings Island page) or just flat-out bogus rumors (Point fans still won't forgive him for the Intamin Aquatrax incident), and most times it's the fansites themselves that stumble upon the juicy stuff, like BGWfans nabbing the blueprints to what would eventually be Verbolten.

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Unless Cedar Fair went bargain shopping and is buying in bulk.

They could still get a bargain and order multiple different coasters and get a better price from B&M. I'm sure B&M would be happy to get multiple orders for all or any one of their coasters.

Worked for people who number their flags and water their gardens...

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If its the intamin track I saw going to ki their drops are a spiral sometimes. With a 45º cable lift and a spiral drop it takes up hardly any room.

And if it's the B&M track that I saw going to Dollywood, they have spiraled drops on some of their coaster varieties. See their line of inverted, stand-up, floorless, sit-down, etc.

[Dive in movies]

I don't get Jurassic Park's PG-13 rating. There's little to no blood and language. The only real graphic scene is the bathroom scene, but you can't actually see any blood.

Scenes of terror, most likely. People getting eaten by dinosaurs, and, of course, the scene with the mangled, bloody goat leg falling on the roof of the Jeep. Oh, and don't forget the severed arm that lands on Ellie's shoulder.

[2013 KI Gay Pride Night]

I've only "attended" Pride Night twice - working the event one year in Park Services, the other during a dress rehearsal of Haunt - but it was a blast just from a spectator standpoint (I did get a chance to go ride rides after dress rehearsal ended, though). Even though I'm not gay, I still really want to go as an actual guest just based upon the last two experiences. That, and everyone is super nice and clean during Pride Night.