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  1. Lawsuits like these are the reason that I cannot stand people in this country.

    Sure, there's a lot of gray in this lawsuit - many events leading to the arrest of this guy that weren't documented as they happened (no video evidence or the like), but you have to ask yourself...why would this guy be in trouble in the first place if 'Nothing happened at all,' as he claims?

    I doubt these girls went to security just for fun and made up a story about how this guy did this or said that. If the girls went to security, this guy MUST have done something that had a negative impact on them.

    I'd like to see a picture of this guy and stereotype him to see if he'd fit the child molester bill.

  2. Unfortunately under Paramount Parks and especially CBS the underbody got a lot of rust built up. Hopefully Cedar Fair gives KI a good once over and some new paint.

    Selling a car with a new coat of paint could prove slightly difficult if the buyer knows that the air conditioner failed in the middle of the summer...(SoB)

    Six Flags parks: the equivalent of your classic 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass with parts falling off and half the electrical systems not working...but hey! Look at those $2000 rims!!!

  3. Remember, though, that in the past Cedar Fair was not approximately $2 billion in debt, plus Cedar Point, in particular, had competition from two (and not too long ago, three) other parks owned by major park chains in the same state.

    Nearly of CF's debt is good debt, and most (to my knowledge) of SF's debt is bad debt. This why SF is in a financial debacle.

  4. Why can't anyone just accept that Son of Beast is changing, we will have X-Flight, and whether or not we receive another attraction, we'll just have to see?

    I just don't see how any more than 7 mil could be spent on X-Flight. I think there's a good chance there may be something else in store (only if the 10 mil doesn't cover SoB), but we'll just have to see.

  5. Because never in its history has KI taken in a second hand ride from another park. I'm sure X-Flight is a great ride, but once KI starts down the road of taking had-me-downs instead of inovating new rides then... I don't even want to think about the consequences to the future of the park.

    You see, the thing that's got me scared is that I'm still skeptical about CFE ownership really being a good thing for Kings Island. The reason is KI's proximity to Cedar Point. CP is, after all, the jewel in the CFE crown. The other four Paramont parks CFE bought are far enough away that they don't directly compete with CP. But KI is close enough that they have always been in competition for attendance and those coveted Golden Ticket awards. From a marketing standpoint, I really don't believe CFE will ever put anything in at KI that could draw attention away from CP. I'm sure they will keep KI clean and well maintained. They will periodically put in new flat rides and even minor thrill rides on the scale of IJST. They may even revamp sections of the park like Paramont did with Nick Universe. But I don't believe you'll ever see another mega-coaster, (on the scale of Beast, SoB or Vortex), as long as CFE owns the park. I'm already wondering if cancelling Winterfest and the removal of the loop on SoB is just the beginning...

    I think that when CF decided that X-Flight was no longer a fit for GL, they looked at which parks could support such a ride (and those that were at least somewhere nearby-I'm still hard for transportation costs being a major factor in the total cost), and KI seemed like a logical choice. Sure, it's a used ride, and sure, it fulfills the need to add a major ride to a large park, but I don't see this as the beginning of a trend during which KI will receive second-hand rides on a regular basis. I don't see CF going down the SF road of regular ride circulation.

    I would agree with you about KI installing much anymore that would compete with CP. KI and CP are two different parks-KI has won the Golden Ticket for Best Kids Area for several years now, and I hope that CF doesn't let some other park take that away from them. Best Kids Area isn't exactly Best Amusement Park, but it's still a major award, and parents are happy to throw money at a quality park that is family-friendly. CP is definitely a coaster park and KI has a knack for flats and children's rides. Hopefully CF will keep the parks separate, but not let KI fall behind in importance. CP and KI have had extremely similar attendance for a while now, and if CF keeps KI the park it is and CP the park it is, there's no reason you should ever have any more 'cross contamination' than there was and is.

  6. I still stand by my post. X-Flight is coming from Cleveland, not California. It would slightly surprise me to hear that moving it from GL to KI would be similar in price as moving it from PGA to PC. Transporting anything anywhere isn't cheap, but when you're looking at barely a couple hundred versus a couple thousand, the cost differences are significant.

    Good bit of information from Shaggy, though. Interesting.

    Does Vekoma only manufacture in the Netherlands? It'd cost a pretty penny to ship overseas on an initial install...I just have an EXTREMELY difficult time believing that it would cost over 10 mil to move a 15 mil ride you already own, especially when you're shipping it about 200 miles. 7 mil I would believe in an instant, 9 is really pushing it.

    I'd enjoy seeing the actual numbers just see how wrong I am.

  7. Actually, it cant' be said that most people do have a positive image of Cedar Fair. Most don't even know what it is, and Cedar Fair likes it that way. They may well know Cedar Point, but the average visitor to Dorney or Knott's or Michigan's Adventure has NO idea what Cedar Fair even is.

    And an accident at one of those parks does not reflect in any way on Cedar Fair as a whole as far as the general public is concerned. Investors, avid park fans and roller coaster enthusiasts have a different world view than most people.

    I couldn't agree more with this. I would assume that there are a few SF parks that are a little more than decent to be in (SFNE?), but the Six Flags tag many times reads, 'Open your wallet up wide, and prepare to be disappointed.'

  8. I'd believe 1.6 more than anything. 2.7 is total bull****, and I don't see how Six Flags could have fooled anyone with that number. That's half a mil from CP and KI.

    I haven't been to Aurora since the late 90's when Geauga Lake and Sea World complimented each other. GL has been around since the late 1800's in one form or another (CP has been around for just a little longer) and Sea World had been around for a little over 30 years until it was shut down. These parks could have worked for MANY more years, but Six Flags robbed the duo of their long-term future success.

    It was a good, regional park that people from the Cleveland and Youngstown area to easily get to, and it wasn't like 'those big expensive parks.' Until Six Flags tried to install rides to pull guests from Cedar Point, the park was a perfect fit for its guests. That's what is killing GL today; Six Flags tried to compete with a park that clearly outmatched it. CP was built the way it was from the ground up, unlike GL. Turning a park into something COMPLETELY different than what it has always been rarely yields great success. I think CF has recognized this and its goal is to transform GL back to the stable, clean, local park that it was.

    I don't see how anyone loses with X-Flight coming to KI. GL loses a coaster it couldn't support, and KI gets a ride that the public will think is brand new. The GP doesn't know (and if they know, they don't care!) that it's coming from GL. Whether a ride is brand new or used, it has zero effect on a guest's decision to ride it or not (unless you're talking about the Chance spinner that has a tendency to lost its cars). KI can financially support such a ride, and although moving it to the park is a large cost, CF is only profiting by doing this. They're cutting the fat, and building muscle.

    If anything else, CF is giving coaster whiners a reason to shut their mouths for one more season, and at an attractive price.

  9. See you on the midway!

    at Fort Cooper

    I had some fun with Google Earth today (it's winter break, and I'm bored) and it's going to be a tight squeeze if no more is cleared than what was in the aerials from a few weeks back.

  10. If the park had any desire to expand, I suppose it wouldn't be too difficult to loop around from the FoF pavilion to that area where Racer has that very large crest. It'd draw traffic back to the corner where Vortex is, and the park could have an excuse to tear down that God-awful laser-tag building. (Does anyone remember when they used to show those movies in there? They always had the AC on, and it was freezing!)

    That side of the main Coney drag could use a little attention some day.

    I suppose if they did loop around the maintenance buildings, they could leave them there and put up a fence or something to give it more appeal. Then again, why would you ever want maintenance buildings in the middle of part of your park?

  11. well i just didnt mean to 2 rides, they could add a jump2 over there near Flight of Fear, actully i think a jump2 would do perfect over there with Flight of Fear and X-flight

    I respectfully disagree. With the amount of land that will be available once X-Flight is finished and the size of the pavilion and walkway beneath Racer, I just don't see how adding to the number of attractions back there would be feasible unless more is changed. If the park was willing to move those red buildings elsewhere, and a path looped back around to another point in Coney, it'd be possible. However, there's a big white metal tank that most likely won't want to go anywhere. If that building closest to Racer's lift were to be moved, I could see a Jump2 fitting in there. There's always that space between AE, Racer and FoF that is nice, green, and unused.

    Could it happen? Sure, but I doubt it ever will, unless sometime down the road, the park decides to add a new area that branches out beside Coney. That'd be quite an expensive investment.

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  12. Yeah, if you would call an area with two coasters a "new theme area." I don't see the park adding another large attraction to the FoF pavilion after this installation. Does anyone remember what happened when PKI decided to build a few rides and put them in a cement wasteland and only have one connecting pathway? It's called Action Zone, and if you're nuts enough to go to BAFF day, it's a bottleneck for traffic. I like the idea of giving it a theme, but I wouldn't go so far as to make it a big park subdivision like Coney Mall or Rivertown.

    I support giving it a theme and giving it a name like Area 51 or something along those lines, but two rides is more than enough with that slim walkway under Racer.

  13. One has to wonder if the park planned for this situation to eventually occur. I would assume that when the park put FoF in, they at least CONSIDERED leaving additional utility support in case they decided to install another attraction back there in the future. Then again, it's obvious that the decision to move X-Flight to KI couldn't have been made until Cedar Fair purchased the park in the first place, so I suppose we'll never know if PKI had wanted to eventually have some type of ride back there.

    Going back to what I said in another thread-there's lots of space back there (it's just trees) and if another line needs to be run to that area, I'm sure it wouldn't be a big to-do. It's not like the park would need to tear up a road to lay lines underneath it (Maverick).

  14. Do you guys really think they can tear down a coaster move it and build, test it and open it in a few months?

    Change "few" to "several", and the answer is: yes.

    Keep in mind as well, this area is in a part of the park that has little surrounding it other than trees. Unlike IJ:ST, it's not in the middle of the park and one would think that with an easily-forged access path from Columbia Rd. behind SoB to that area, it wouldn't be difficult to bring hardly anything back there (concrete, steel, cranes, etc.). It's an area where machines can be a little more spread out (hence the idea that more land has been cleared than may be absolutely necessary) and parts can be stored on site rather than in the parking lot (or parts can be moved from the lot to that site as they are delivered). When I say parts, I mean big parts...like supports and track.

    Does anyone know the time frame of de/construction of Stealth/BA?

  15. If I recall correctly, that area of land has a slow grade down from the FoF pavilion, does it not? I know that X-Flight was built on basically flat land (surprise, surprise, another Six Flags parking lot coaster), so the question is, how would this ride fit back there? If there is a grade to that plot of land, there are going to be some seriously goofy looking footers sticking WAY out of the ground (supports wouldn't all the way to the ground), that is, unless they re-grade the entire thing flat and perpendicular to the upright.

    Then again, I may be completely wrong. From the recent flyover pictures, it's difficult to tell. Does anyone have a picture of that lot from the FoF pavilion?

  16. I cannot see the park keeping those trains. I have no doubt they are some of the most expensive rolling stock that one could purchase for a wooden coaster (since they are completely and totally custom) but to modify them would not go far enough in my opinion. I'm 6'2" and I know that there are a few taller people on these boards, but even SOB's trains are painful enough for me to not only get into, but sit in for the minutes while I get the **** beat out of me. I've heard the Millennium Flyer rumor as well as (oddly enough) Intamin trains. The stock on Intamin pre-fabs looks pretty nice and enjoyable. Only time will tell.

    If those darn Premier trains are only modified, I'm going to be nothing short of slightly disappointed. Remove the loop and don't half-ass the job. Get better trains.

    Although I will give credit to the ones that Premier built-those things have taken a HELL of a beating over the past six years. Premier is a grade-A company in my book...

  17. Good question. My Google Earth still shows the campground (understandable) with all the campground roads mapped out-on Google Maps, many of those campground roads have been rightfully removed and GWL Street is there. No GWL Street on my Google Earth.

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