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    Another “I wish I had known this before I bought my Cedar Fair pass” situation

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    On 4/10/2024 at 9:27 AM, DispatchMaster said:

    Agreed. Dude's (or dudette) ad hominem nonsense is insufferable. Best advice is to ignore and move on.

    While I don't appreciate the lack of respect, I do respect the passion for defending their point of view.

    Looking back, I am not innocent myself of the same indiscretions.  I suppose getting older does that? :)

    Another “I wish I had known this before I bought my Cedar Fair pass” situation

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    There is no "in your mind" as that includes interpretations & assumptions.

    The only time passholders were permitted access to a special event is when it was noted prior to the pass purchase either in the terms & conditions or otherwise noted for each individual park pass.

    I suggest those who are unhappy with the agreed upon terms & conditions when the pass was purchased seek out customer service.

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    Another “I wish I had known this before I bought my Cedar Fair pass” situation

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, disco2000 said:

    We get it, another the chain can do no wrong person...

    Pre sales of passes hinges on the product being comparable and improved upon prior years.

    Clearly they are deviating from that.  And clearly some will continue to buy regardless of what the park sells...and clearly some will now wait to see what is being offered.

    Like I said we get it that it is within their subject to change clause, but tell me the last time a CF park held a pass holder preview and didn't allow platinum pass holders to attend?  We will wait...

    Now they changed the pass structure and claim all park passport is equal to platinum except it isn't as it applies to CP pass holder preview.

    Surely you can comprehend that...

    Just like we comprehend it is within their right to subject to change...but that doesn't mean the optics aren't poor...

    So terms and conditions mean nothing and is now considered a "subject to change" clause?  Interesting.

    The season pass sales are comparable to prior years- you get into the park from opening day.  "Improved upon" is a vague opinion.

    The only structure that has changed is your interpretation of what you want it to be.  Any pass purchased in any year did not include special park events unless noted, and since we all know the Preview Days were not included with the purchase of any 2024 pass, this is no surprise.  Surely you can comprehend that.....

    The optics are only poor to those that did not read the terms and conditions.

    I have zero problem to agree to disagree.  Your shoehorning of "We get it, another the chain can do no wrong person..." just because someone disagrees with you is a pathetic form of manipulating the discussion. 

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    Another “I wish I had known this before I bought my Cedar Fair pass” situation

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, disco2000 said:

    Dude, you are referencing a summer pass that some parks sold....and you are referencing what they mean by concerts and pay add-ons.  A season pass preview has historically been a "special" event that a platinum pass would get someone into any passholder preview night being held regardless of park and regardless of which park was the "home" park.

    Further they state the the all parks passport is the equivalent to a platinum, which it isn't as it applies to the CP passholder preview.

    And the additional terms for the All-park Passsport says this with no mention to CP and their passholder preview:

    Additional Terms and Conditions by location:

    • Canada’s Wonderland – Parking is included with the purchase of a Gold Pass and All Park Passport add-on.
    • Knott’s Berry Farm – Gold or Prestige Pass with the All Park Passport add-on is valid only for admission on any regular scheduled operating day and is not valid for entry to Scary Farm. Parking is included with the purchase of a Gold Pass and All Park Passport add-on.
    • Dorney Park – It is agreed between the Passholder and Cedar Fair that in further consideration of your admission to Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom that all claims for injury or loss allegedly incurred or caused while on the premises of Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom shall be raised and pursued only in the court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.

     

    But we get it, there is a lot of wiggle room in the subject to change clause and we are not stupid and recognize that, and certainly even those willing to stand behind CF are certainly not stupid enough to admit that the language can be contradictory (or are they)....and that the optics are poor....

     

    Cool... dude...

    Here is the Prestige part of the terms.: which, ironically, have the same terms as the Summer Pass:

    Prestige Season Pass Terms and Conditions

    Updated July 27, 2023

    THE Cedar Fair L.P. TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAIN A DISPUTE RESOLUTION AND ARBITRATION PROVISION THAT GOVERN HOW CLAIMS A PASSHOLDER (“PASSHOLDER” OR “YOU”) AND WE HAVE AGAINST EACH OTHER ARE RESOLVED. PLEASE READ THE PROVISION CAREFULLY. IT REQUIRES YOU TO ARBITRATE DISPUTES WITH Cedar Fair AND LIMITS THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU CAN SEEK RELIEF. BY ACCEPTING THESE TERMS, YOU AGREE TO RESOLVE ANY DISPUTE WITH US ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO THESE TERMS THROUGH BINDING ARBITRATION OR SMALL CLAIMS DISPUTE PROCEDURES AND AGREE TO WAIVE YOUR RIGHTS TO PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION SUIT.

    A Cedar Fair L.P. (“Cedar Fair”) Prestige Pass is valid only at the park from which it was issued and grants a revocable license to the registered holder for admission and use of all available rides (unless restricted by conditions that could ultimately prohibit someone from riding safely, including but not limited to height, weight, age, physical limitations such as pregnancy and heart conditions, or observed inappropriate behavior), shows and attractions on any regularly-scheduled operating day of the season to the amusement park or outdoor waterpark for which it was issued.  A Prestige Pass is valid for only one visit per day, and a readmission hand stamp or pass scan is required for same-day re-entry. No re-entry is permitted on select days throughout the season. Passholders may only possess one valid season pass per season. This pass also does not include admission to park areas not open to the general public or requires a separate admission fee.  Fees for parking, food, merchandise, games, pay-per-experience attractions, concerts, and special events are not included unless expressly noted at the end of these terms and conditions on a park-by-park basis.

     

    It is interesting that you bring up "historically".  Why would anyone ignore the terms and think that what has happened "historically" in the past will continue?

    But dive into "historically" even deeper.  When has any season pass granted the holder any right prior to the season open?

    Dude....

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    Another “I wish I had known this before I bought my Cedar Fair pass” situation

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    *added for emphasis
    Coming late to the party, but reading the terms & conditions, it seems clear that the pass purchased is valid only for the park purchased and does not include special events.
     
    I'm a bit confused why the season pass TOC is being, for lack of a better term, ignored.
     
    2024 Season Pass Terms and Conditions

    Summer Season Pass Terms and Conditions 

    Updated August 29, 2023 

    THE Cedar Fair L.P. TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAIN A DISPUTE RESOLUTION AND ARBITRATION PROVISION THAT GOVERN HOW CLAIMS A PASSHOLDER (“PASSHOLDER” OR “YOU”) AND WE HAVE AGAINST EACH OTHER ARE RESOLVED. PLEASE READ THE PROVISION CAREFULLY. IT REQUIRES YOU TO ARBITRATE DISPUTES WITH Cedar Fair AND LIMITS THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU CAN SEEK RELIEF. BY ACCEPTING THESE TERMS, YOU AGREE TO RESOLVE ANY DISPUTE WITH US ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO THESE TERMS THROUGH BINDING ARBITRATION OR SMALL CLAIMS DISPUTE PROCEDURES AND AGREE TO WAIVE YOUR RIGHTS TO PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION SUIT. 

    A Cedar Fair L.P. (“Cedar Fair”) Summer Pass is valid only at the park from which it was issued and grants a revocable license to the registered holder for admission and use of all available rides (unless restricted by conditions that could ultimately prohibit someone from riding safely, including but not limited to height, weight, age, physical limitations such as pregnancy and heart conditions, or observed inappropriate behavior), shows and attractions on any regularly-scheduled operating day of the season to the amusement park or outdoor waterpark for which it was issued.  A Summer Pass is valid for only one visit per day, and a readmission hand stamp or pass scan is required for same-day re-entry. No re-entry is permitted on select days throughout the season. Passholders may only possess one valid season pass per season.  This pass also does not include admission to park areas not open to the general public or requires a separate admission fee.  Fees for parking, food, merchandise, games, pay-per-experience attractions, concerts, and special events are not included unless specifically noted at the end of these terms and conditions on a park-by-park basis.

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    2023 Q2 quarterly report

    in Kings Island

    Posted

    I am not a finance person but I don't believe it as bad as it looks.  Things are still balancing out post-pandemic.  2022 was such a massive increase in net revenue to top those #'s would have been quite staggering.

    Below is the 2022 2Q results with 2021 & 2019 results.

    Second Quarter 2022 Highlights

    • Net revenues totaled a record $509 million, an increase of $285 million from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, net revenues increased by $73 million, or 17%.
    • Net income was $51 million, an increase of $110 million from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, net income decreased by $13 million.
    • Adjusted EBITDA(1) totaled $171 million, an increase of $169 million from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, Adjusted EBITDA increased by $7 million, or 5%.
    • Attendance totaled 7.8 million guests, an increase of 4.4 million guests from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, attendance declined by 654,000 guests, or 8%.
    • In-park per capita spending was a record $59.52, a 6% increase from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, in-park per capita spending increased 26%, driven by double-digit percentage increases across all key revenue categories.
    • Out-of-park revenues were a record $60 million, representing a $19 million increase from the second quarter of 2021. Compared to the second quarter of 2019, out-of-park revenues increased by $10 million, or 21%.
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    Top Thrill Dragster Incident

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    My gut tells me the "screenshot" yesterday of the Zamperla website is a total hoax.

    Top Thrill 2?

    CP has been VERY reluctant to acknowledge the ride formerly known as TTD other than new promotional video of the ride & the new formula for thrills.  Using TTD in any variation would be like KI using "Beast" in another coaster name.

    Tomorrow will be fun and will hopefully move on from a very dark time in CP's history.  I highly doubt we will hear about the future settlement or result of the lawsuit against CP & hope the victim from a couple years ago gets everything +more.

    Fury 325 Support Failure

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    With Fury being in it's 9th year of operation, I'm leaning more toward a metal fatigue issue than design issue- mind you I have zero engineering design experience but do deal with metals.  Metal fatigue is tricky- kind of like a crack in a dam- it takes a while to show up but once it starts the end is coming quick!

    If Fury is "repaired" with a large sleeve-like device welded over the cracked area it's likely fatigue.

    If Fury is down until new support shows and new footer is poured- it was a design flaw.

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    Shunt

    in Kings Island

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Rayna said:

    Can anyone tell me what rides I can go on with a shunt at King's Island?

     

    Consult your Dr. before anyone else.

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    Waldameer owner Paul Nelson has passed

    in Other Amusement Parks & Industry News

    Posted

    https://www.yourerie.com/news/waldameer-owner-paul-nelson-dies/

    He was a fixture in Erie for decades and turned Waldameer into a very nice amusement park for Erie.  One of the best moves he made was selling the old carousel fixtures in the 80's which generated much needed cash for the park which Mr. Nelson used to reinvest into the park & the early stages of Water World.  It turned everything around.

    There have been numerous videos of Mr. Nelson over the years.  I one of them he comments how he has never had to "work" a day in his life.

    He will be missed by the Erie amusement & Erie community.

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    NEW CHAPERONE POLICY KI 2023

    in Kings Island

    Posted

    14 hours ago, Tr0y said:

    In all seriousness tho, I would have much rather seen more serious punishment to the unruly individuals than a new blanket rule that affects us all.

    A large majority of people get "information" from videos.  Have videos of guests breaking the rules being escorted from the park on a continuous loop shown on every TV in the park.  Include a text # to report incidents and that unruly guests will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Smoking, line jumping, phones out on rides etc..........

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    NEW CHAPERONE POLICY KI 2023

    in Kings Island

    Posted

    Very sad that things like this are needed.

    It doesn't effect me at all anymore but some of my best trips were with my 10 & 11 year old cousins and I was 19.  I have a hard time wrapping my head around being a legal adult but not being allowed to bring younger siblings due to not being 21.

    This policy also gives me the impression (other than lipstick on a pig) that the incidents at parks (not just KI) are due to kids under 21- which couldn't be further from the truth.

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