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It's bad that an accident of this magnitude happened. Park & guests are lucky that it was not worse. I wonder if the recent track replacement have anything to do with the wheel failure (possible alignment issues??) or was it failed tubular track that caused the accident? Failed tubular track on older Arrows is not exactly uncommon- Magnum had a decent amount of track replaced in-season recently. Vortex reached end of service life- track fatigue likely played a large factor into that decision. When BBW was closed the reasons were very similar to that of Vortex.

On CP FB fan pages there has been more acknowledgement & pics of guests being escorted from the park for having their phones out on rides. Some of those who have been booted have given a 1 star google review to voice their displeasure of not being granted a warning. EDIT:

"My dog can't go into a kennel for a day, he has PTSD and it is too traumatic to be around other dogs." ......leaves dog in hot car to die....... Can't fix stupid.

Why would new/ refreshed entrance require a larger footprint than it already is? I believe the current entrance area is bigger than necessary. The original design was for trams to be used to bring guests to their cars.

If there was a real clearing of trees/ brush etc. for some type of project I would have expected the entire area to be cleared by now.

It's a Sunday in June-expect the worst. Take a vacation day & go on a Tuesday or Wednesday. You will all be significantly happier.

I believe there is more than just a building going in. According to some hints dropped: the area will have something for everyone.

Two big differences that I can see: 2 across seating vs. 4 across- the outside seats will have more pressure on the rider due to what I'm guessing is centerline over the rails not being in line with the heartline like the inside riders. Launch vs. lift hill- the bottom of the initial drop on Mantis was one one the worst spots for myself if my legs were not bent just the right way. The launch will put more stress on your body being pushed back into the restraints as opposed to being pushed down. Here is an article from 2020 on the B&M standup redesign & Seaworld: https://www.coaster101.com/2020/09/28/bolliger-mabillard-files-patent-for-stand-up-coaster-restraint/

2 across seating standing is interesting. I wonder if that has to do with lighter trains that will put less forces on the riders. The forces on the riders/ rider's legs on KC was not uncomfortable compared to Mantis.

Those Canadian geese make for some great jerky- which is about all they are good for.

This is one case I stand behind CF 100%. All businesses suffered during the pandemic & had to make difficult decisions to try and keep customers and investors both happy and stay in business while not slitting their throats by giving too much away. It was a tremendously slippery slope. For CF to extend season passes for an entire year is really going above & beyond what should be expected and any passholder should know that true value.

Are there red/ blue/ yellow/ orange/ green spray paint markings on the ground outside of the fence? That is typically a dead-giveaway that something is happening in the area. Each color signifies something underground: utilities/ sewer etc. These markings are needed before any digging is done.

Having been around KIC for almost 19 years I have seen a bunch of stuff here & throughout many sites. KIC It really is an extremely pleasant & knowledgeable fan base. Members like: Shaggy, Terpy (his posts still make us smarter even today), BoddaH1994, Silver2005, flightoffear1996 and numerous others that I can't think of right now have contributed much in the past & some still contribute today. Yes, there are differing opinions but if everyone thought the same way it would be boring (there is another site that is like this that anyone can Review). As disco2000 mentioned, enthusiast sites on FB are incredibly annoying: "Is the park busy?" "What is the weather like in July?" "Will this ride be running next month?" "Why isn't this ride running?" "Why is traffic backed up on the causeway?" ...the nauseating list goes on AND there are multiple questions DAILY for each. I think sites like KIC are currently viewed less due to not being as easily accessible on a phone as FB, Twitter etc. Probably an app thing. It's not a knock on KIC at all, it just is what it is. KIC is a fantastic free site that will get more traction moving forward as FB gets clogged with useless crap. Now if a new coaster starts to get hinted, watch the traffic go up! BTW- any truth to DB getting struck by lightning Saturday?? It was rumored on FB.....

You & I both know that there is much more to marketing than answering, or not answering, a media request.

The best thing about free press? You don't have to say anything which only leads to more talk & the press is still free.

Some data I was able to find. Probably not perfect, but likely close. (63) log flume rides were made 1963-1985, about half are currently operating. Of those at CF parks: (5) are operating (10) have been removed, not necessarily by CF Another Intamin failure...*SHOCKER*

I personally think younger kids (13-17) get a bad rap. Most of my experiences with these incidents are with people 18+ that have an entitled attitude- "You can't tell me what to do" or "You can't tell me no." Some have forgotten how to respect others. It's a small fraction that do crap like this but since everyone has a camera in their pocket everything gets seen- even the stuff that wasn't that big of a deal but gets dramatized so much that it is seen as a riot.

Uncivil people are everywhere today. The cost of the event, or lack of cost of the event, is not the issue. Park enthusiasts gripe about pass cost due to wait times. My hometown park is Waldameer in Erie, PA and the majority of the rides are geared to families. While the park is free to walk around a majority of the time, the holidays require all guests to pay for entry. It's during these times when foolish & violent incidents happen. Waldameer has eliminated fireworks to combat the unruliness and the crap still happens. I personally point the finger at the fallout of social media. Some people cannot differentiate between being able to say anything (which is interpreted as doing anything they want) they feel on social media (which has little to no repercussions) vs. being able to do anything when other physical people are involved.

Too true & I thank you for your service as it is very underappreciated. Our family has enjoyed going out to the movies the past couple weekends only to find that the arcade closes early due to some individuals not being able to be civil with each other. Our Cinemark Tinseltown is located in the "tourist" area of Erie so location is not the issue.

Screamin' Demon to Demon Scooby Doo to Beastie to Fairly Odd Coaster to Woodstock Express (whew...) Racer before recaR with red white & blue track (oh....wait.... )

KI needs the media to have a follow-up article that the individual(s) involved have received a lifetime ban to the park and have also been prosecuted to the fullest extent. At some point people committing infractions (fighting, smoking, cell phones out on rides etc.) need to be held accountable and make it publicly known what the ramifications are. The idea that parks sweeps this stuff under the rug & we never hear about it again could be hurting the park more than helping. It's terrible that parks get blamed for these things instead of the actual people committing them.

Good to hear that there was no collision and that the safety measures put into place surrounding previous collisions worked. Imagine if Intamin could finally take a page from B&M's safety book & learn from previous failures....

With the amount of new track work done this year I would venture to guess that a full course train pull-through would be necessary to test possible points of contact riders could have with the structure(s). During the pull-through is where some may have misinterpreted that a train valleyed.

I hate to be the Debbie Downer or even hint that I'm questioning a park's focus on safety but with accidents like this, the accident at Glenwood Caverns & at CP on TTD something needs to change with how these rides are maintained and how training is conducted.

Same thing happened to a glass my wife was gifted from her mom upon graduating from LPN school & a shot glass I purchased at Super Bowl LII She was devastated, I purchased a "new" glass for her. Guess the old saying applies here: They don't make them like they used to......