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  1. 3 hours ago, PilotDude said:


    Not great, and IMHO it was a tactical error on the parks part, but the park is being pushed by the Warren County Commissioners so they are between a rock and a hard place.  Every other time someone has sued to reopen in Ohio and federal court, the courts side against the business and they stay closed but now with the added cost of court. The case wont be heard by a judge for 60-90 days, and then wont be ruled on for up to a year. And if at the end of a year if they are still closed, and not just reopened with the lifting of restrictions, now we begin the appeal process which is up to 3-5 years between cases.  The standard on how the courts will treat all of these cases is South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California.  This is a very recent supreme court ruling, and yes it is a ruling even thought they never heard arguments which is an extraordinary measure. But the Supreme Court upheld churches being closed, and churches have more autonomy to stay open then a business. Below is a telling paragraph and will be cited everywhere else to throw out these lawsuits.  All of this lawsuit did was make Kings Island a hostile party to the Governor, the park is being used as a pawn by the county commissioners and in the end the park is the one who will get hurt.


    The precise question of when restrictions on particular social activities should be lifted during the pandemic is a dynamic and fact-intensive matter subject to reasonable disagreement. Our Constitution principally entrusts “[t]he safety and the health of the people” to the politically ac-countable officials of the States “to guard and protect.” Ja-cobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11, 38 (1905). When those officials “undertake[] to act in areas fraught with medical and scientific uncertainties,” their latitude “must be especially broad.” Marshall v. United States, 414 U. S. 417, 427 (1974). Where those broad limits are not exceeded, they should not be subject to second-guessing by an “une-lected federal judiciary,” which lacks the background, com-petence, and expertise to assess public health and is not ac-countable to the people. See Garciav. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, 469 U. S. 528, 545 (1985).




    So I have now had a chance to read the court filling in its entirety and it is not great.  If my lawyer filled this in court, I would be embarrassed with all of the cutting and pasting errors and obvious revision where things were removed but the grammar wasn't updated to reflect that.  "that  latitude  remains  subject  to  limitations imposed by both the Ohio Constitution", both what? In other parts they politicize the topic while in others they make claims that are illogical and go against existing law. "The Ohio Department of Health, its Director, and county health departments claim the authority to criminalize and fine operation of safe amusement and water parks." Yeah they do that every single day across the state and country, i.e. food safety laws.  This is blatantly nonfactual as they have set up a public board to review business objections to not being allowed to open, and other courts have upheld them as constitutional already, "without providing any process, venue, or judicial review to determine whether these Ohioans’ businesses are in fact safe enough to warrant operation". "This harm may only be remedied by a ruling from this Court, and Defendants must be immediately and permanently enjoined from imposing criminal, civil, or equitable sanctions on the safe operation of Ohio amusement and water parks including Plaintiffs."  This is not the only way they can be freed of a perceived harm, they could use the review boards already in place that the courts already view as acceptable, and courts typically look down on plaintiffs that could have received relief elsewhere and didn't attempt that route first. 


    Long story short the lawsuit doesn't look like it will be ruled on in Cedar Fairs favor, but IMHO this wont even go to trial purely due to the speed of our court systems. Reading elsewhere on what Cedar Fair plans to do to reopen, they are lacking in a few key areas compared to other parks that have been allowed to open.  The biggest example is Cedar Fair believes they can safely social distance in a traditional que line whereas most every other chain has gone to a digital ride wait system.  My speculation and it is purely speculation is that Dewine wants them to go to a similar system and Cedar Fair up to this point hasn't been willing to or is unable for some other reason and that is the hold up.  Once they get this last sticking point worked out they will reopen with the rest of the parks, and remember only 1 park is operating in the entire country with everyone else due to open in the next week to couple months.  What ever Disney does is going to be the standard everyone else will be held too. They have experience reopening parks in other countries and are a pillar of society that people look up to for guidance.

    I would look more to the lawsuit filed in Lake County Ohio in which the Gyms sued to be able to open, rather than the items you quoted.  The ruling happened very quickly and favorably for the gyms.

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  2. 1 hour ago, PilotDude said:

    Gravity does the pulling through the magnets though. The only energy expended by Drop Tower is the winch motor pulling the gondola and release mechanism to the top and a negligible amount spent on the sensors and servo's to move restraints and the like.  Everything else is done by the Earth.  The motors add the potential energy, just like the lift hill of a coaster and physics takes over from there.

    I know, I'm saying when the motor is pulling the gondola through the brake portion, it is exerting a higher load, hence why it speeds up when it gets through the brakes.

  3. 2 hours ago, PilotDude said:

    "Rare-earth magnets are strong permanent magnets made from alloys of rare-earth elements"(Wiki, 2020).Rare earth magnets require zero electricity, hence the permanent magnet part, which is exactly why they are used on rides.  The only way they would lose their magnetism is if the world stopped spinning, which as you can imagine brings on an entire new set of problems.  The magnets are not why the two rides had issues, it was the linear induction motors and the large 3 phase motor for Drop Towers lift.   Both need large amounts of power in short amounts of time causing a brown out on the grid they are connected to. A LIM is just a giant capacitor that releases all its energy at once, but most be recharged quickly between each launch. Drop Tower has a huge 3 phase motor that according to park mechanics has an under sized capacitor leading to too large of a draw on startup. 


    I had originally thought of replying to him, but I was thinking he was saying that it required more energy to pull through the magnets, but I also may have misread.,

  4. 15 hours ago, bengalsguy23 said:

    Is there any chance we see contactless restraint checks like Disney does? Does anyone know the reason most parks do hand checks? Is it state legislation, company policy, for insurance reasons or something else?

    I could see the potential of the ride operator walking down, asking the guests to pull on their seatbelt for them and then pull on the restraint.  It is a confirmation that the restraint is actively working.  It's a safety item.  I seem to recall Disney asking me to push down and pull up on a restraint at one point as well when I was there recently.

    13 hours ago, flightoffear1996 said:

    How would you work that with the seat belts though?  Does the ride monitor seat belts?

    Most rides don't even monitor the restraints, on an individual basis.  The B&Ms do, as does Delirium.  I think that's it.

  5. 11 minutes ago, disco2000 said:

    The bigger problem is many states unemployment programs were developed in COBOL, an Eisenhower-era computer language.  Probably not many on this site haven't even heard of the program.  It is so old there are more COBOL programmers in retirement than there are in IT departments LOL.  States have put out an all-call to anyone knowing that language to help them.  The programs simply couldn't keep up with the demand.

    I know many in the service industry that were fortunate enough to get processed through unemployment and were actually receiving more in unemployment than they do working.  But many people in all business sectors were also seeing this benefit of making more in retirement than when employed.  And of course, many more are still waiting for their first unemployment check.

    Even though the Orders are clear when an employee shouldn't work, as you pointed out, the fact of the matter is if they think it is allergies, a lot will continue to work even though per the Order they shouldn't.  Currently, there are no federal legal requirements for paid sick leave, but many employers have began to temporarily offer sick time for self-quarantine purposes.  Many employees are not aware their employer now offers that benefit, or they are afraid of retaliation and being let go if they use that time.

    Unfortunately, many in the service industry still fall in the category of being off work for two months, never received their unemployment, and work for an employer not providing sick leave.  Now that they are back working, they may be more likely to work even when showing symptoms.  Greater Cincinnati has it's first reported case of an employee working sick at the Big Ash Brewing restaurant and has shut down temporarily due to this employee testing positive.  I expect these stories will become just as common as the viral videos of people not following social distancing.

    As @King Ding Dong alludes to, what happens to a KI when the employee checking your restraints and has the "welcome back riders, how was your ride" spiel mic tests positive - will KI have to shut down for two weeks?  Just that ride/rides in that employee's rotation?  What about a guest that tests positive within 14 days of attending KI - will they self-disclose to KI so that the park can try to track down everyone that may have come in contact with that person?  Will that person need to remember what time they rode rides so that the employees on shift at that time can be tested/self-quarantine?  Wait until the first case at an amusement park and then keeping a diary of your day and what time you were where may become the norm?...

    Businesses aren't currently required to close for 14 days if they have an employee test positive.  Most likely what will happen is the employee will have to be off for 14 days, have at a minimum one and probably two negative COVID-19 tests before returning to work.  Big Ash Brewing is literally under 5 minutes from my house.  They are requiring all employees to be tested.  It would be impossible for them to find everyone that person had contact with and it's a HIPAA violation to say their name, so hopefully they didn't transmit to anyone else.  They likely would require everyone everyone on that team that works with this individual to take a test as well.

    Ultimately, it's going to fall on guests/customers to determine if the risk is worth the reward.  You are seeing that in general.  The Skyline I visit every Thursday for lunch at work has been empty the past two weeks, when it's generally at capacity at lunch time.  

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  6. 21 minutes ago, IceePirate said:

    It doesn't really take all that much effort to inspect a ride. Maintinence does most of the job for them, the inspector just has to sign off saying it's good to go. Side note: I still don't understand why the dept of agriculture is in charge of inspecting rollercoasters. Should probably be ODOT imo

    If ODOT was in charge of coaster inspections, there would be pot holes in every ride at KI.

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  7. 2 hours ago, CheetahDrew said:

    I found these photos particularly interesting I don’t know if anyone has gotten a survey from KI but these are some of the questions (Neither are my photo) 



    The park trying to staff from 8 am to midnight would be a nightmare.

    When I went to Disneyland last summer, they were open from 8 am until midnight, that was a LONG day.

  8. 2 minutes ago, Outdoor Man said:

    If Ohio follows the same trajectory as Georgia has- which despite opening back up 2-3 weeks ago has had an infection curve that's been basically flat since March 31- opening sooner than July could be possible.  With any virus or infectious bacteria- being outdoors is the best place one can be rather than being cooped up breathing the same air over and over.   

    Regardless, when they do open- we're looking at what will be the most sanitary environment EVER at the park.  My guess is that disinfectant was NEVER used on line queues throughout the year, even when the random patron blew chunks in the lines.... Now, maybe several times daily for a while after opening.

    I would argue the queue rails probably have never been "sanitized".  The trains probably weren't disinfected regularly either.

  9. On 4/26/2020 at 4:21 PM, Klabergian Empire said:

    I have a question for anyone who has operated Vortex (maybe @VortexBFForever can answer): Was the mid-course brake run capable of stopping a train? If so, could the train make it to the brake run from there?

    It actually stopped in the MCBR every morning when you are running start ups as well.

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  10. 15 hours ago, PatchesC said:

    2 Qs you might be able to answer: Do OPs do the LOTO and area searches for lost items themselves? What's the most complicated LOTO ride you are aware of?


    There are actually not a lot of areas to go into that require LOTO.  When I worked at the park, most employees did not go through LOTO training, it's something generally reserved for your best employees and Supervisors.  They will not shut down a ride in order to retrieve an item, unless it's medically necessary.  They would look for it at the end of the shift or the next morning.

    They also, in the past, required a Water Sentry to be working at each water ride, effectively it was a step toward being a lifeguard in case anything happened.


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  11. 3 minutes ago, coaster sally said:

    I don't feel rides depreciate, they are more like houses.

    They absolutely do.  If they didn't you'd see more resale rides on the market.  This is why it was cheaper to scrap Vortex and Firehawk than to sell them.  Look at what Coney Island is selling their rides for vs. what they likely cost new.

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  12. 58 minutes ago, Hawaiian Coasters 325 said:

    I say if the park can't open in July, that is when it will make sense to just cancel the 2020 season and make everyone's season passes available for 2021. 

    The park will open, as long as laws allow it.  Even if it is in August.  

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  13. I totally forgot about Windjammer,  Just watched the POV it looked boring and having just rode the Roller Coaster at New York New York, I can say I have no interest in riding any other Togo coasters again.  Those restraints are BRUTAL.

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