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...and the Cuddle Up. also, the Starfish ride would fit perfectly in NICK Universe. "Patrick's Bikini Bottom Spin."

The only park that seriously has no concerns about downsizing is Cedar Point. Any park with extra expansion property needs to be concerned. The former College Football hall of fame property is selling for $1,000,000 per acre. Assuming there is 500 acres of unused land at KI, that would be $500,000,000 to sell off debt. I think that would be the first asset to go to pay down the debt. Of course, the prices throughout the country would vary.

You're absolutely correct. I did see a Fear Factor show at Universal. And when they ground up the worms and other stuff....had to leave. I'll probably give the show a chance, after all, if these guys have been doing this for a while, I'm sure I might be able to handle it...I'll bring a barf bag. LOL

Not saying that it's wrong. I'm sure it's safe, just watching someone do that sort of thing is not what I want to see. Just thinking about some guy putting a cigar out on his tongue......OWWWWWWW. I might just skip that show if it's not illusions.

The way I read it, it mentions someone putting hooks into their eyelids and lifting weights. There are a minority of people who enjoy pain (masochism) and that's too freaky for me, but if it's only illusion that they are lifting weights with their eyelids I'm ok with that.

What is the Torture Chamber at Halloween Haunt? I read the website, but I'm not sure if it is an illusion show or self mutilation show. Illusions....OK. Self mutilation? I'm not so sure that's appropriate for anyone!

What, exactly is the show "Torture chamber" about? It's in the Paramount theater the first couple of weeks of Halloween Haunt. I read the description on the Halloween Haunt website, but I'm not sure what it is. Also, I went to the park on Sunday, and I didn't see signs for Carnevil and I'm not sure where to go find the entrance.

I guess we will be getting the Feris Wheel or the Inverter. There aren't too many rides at Geauga lake that would fit in at Kings Island as crowd movers. Villian could, however, be transported since the structure is steel. I couldn't guess where it would go in the park if it were transported.

I expected this was going to happen when Firehawk was first moved. Who wouldn't have suspected this to happen, afterall, we are talking about Cedar Fair. The strange thing that I see is that as soon as Cedar Fair took over GL, they took the perks away from the customers and dropped their halloween event. Hmmmm, what happened at KI.....no more Winterfest, and no more take a friend free days, and guess what, down went sales. Sounds like a pattern to me.

Will buying a 2008 pass now, invalidate my 2007 pass and prevent me from getting into the park for the rest of the season? If so I definitely will wait until november to get my pass.

nothing, until I find out what is coming to KI.

ah ha, so in order to get CP perks, you must buy the Platinum pass at CP even though it works at all parks.....in the end it appears that CP has more season pass sales than any of your home parks regardless of weither you use them at CP or not. Thats not going to help KI. On paper it wil appear as if season pass sales at KI will be drastically down if you don't buy your passes at home. Smart move to CP's credit. So they can judge each park for closure based on season pass sales, and CP will never be at the bottom of the sales list. Good for Cedar Fair!!

I'd like to see a western themed Breakdance ride in Rivertown at the Three point throw. A Jump 2 and a Barnstormer in the woods behind the railroad station. a Topple tower on the Flight commander platform and a Flying Eagles where the laser tag used to be.

If you concentrate strickly on the Haunts, you can do them all, even on a crowded night. Also, as the season progresses the lines move faster. If you go closer to Halloween, you should be able to hit all attractions.

Topgun is on the list of thrill rides at the Haunt site. I wonder if the Action Zone area is going to be dark for Halloween Haunt? It might be thrilling to ride Drop Zone in complete darkness. My questions are will there be facades outside of the houses (except for Massacre Manor) and will the train be stopping along the route for Tombstone Terrortory? I always thought that a train ride dropping guests off in the picnic grove for a haunted h use would be kind of neat. Guests could walk through a zone behind the meet and greet theater right between the Wild thornberry ride and Reptar.

On two of the Halloween Haunt signs in front of the Paramount theater, it mentions an attraction called Carnevil. What is this about??

Hasn't there always been a pattern, like...one year an adult ride goes in the park, the next year a ride goes into HB/NICK land and the next year waterpark. I think were due for a waterpark upgrade.

The teaser on Canda's Wonderland shows more coaster today....sure looks like Dominator.

Thats what I'm pointing out, on the Haunt site it shows Circus in 3d, but on the ki website, it omits the Circus and adds another attraction called Dead Awakenings. I was unsure if they were dropping one for the other.

I was looking at this link, and it doesn't show Circus 3 d, is there an updated link somewhere? http://www1.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/even...13&ec_id=15

The Kings Island website has Dead Awakening as a house, and Circus in 3 d is not on the site, have they decided to drop the clowns or add the Dead? The Halloween Haunt website has the Clowns and leaves out the Dead.

Remind me not to ride any rides in Asia.....apparently maintainence IS and issue there.

If they use best practices to determine if the gold pass works for KI, they may extend gold pass options to be used as park only options at the other parks and perhaps offer a Platinum pass to all parks. They could then drop the max pass. I found the name change to equally as confusing.

Maybe replaced with a larger version.

Apparently they decided to fore-go best practices in order to get as much money as they could as quickly as possible. They had already begun to sell tickets when people heard that certain perks were gone.....oops....add them back because we are losing money....but leave out the parking....oops we're losing money again....add parking but not at all parks....oops we're losing money again.....etc. I, for one, will be waiting for a seasons pass until the pass situation is worked out, and ....everything depends on what the next attraction is going to be. (got my Universal Studios 2 year pass 2 parks, free parking, 10 percent discount on hotel, food and gifts, discounts on Halloween Horror nights... best of all 2 YEARS from sept 30.) I'm covered for next year without KI.