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Closed? It's much more than closed.... Well yeah I know that, they're not gonna even have the ride anymore. They're relocating it to Knott's Berry Farm. I knew that... Actually, Demon Drop- though rumored to make its way to KBF (and later Michigan's Adventure)- was sent to Dorney Park, where it is currently awaiting completion of testing.

If this were Facebook, I'd click "like". SO glad to read the Koch family will still run the park. Even more glad to read that Dan intends to keep everything on track (if you pardon the pun). Just one thing... Anyone else thinking it sounds like Dan's a placeholder until Will's children have the opportunity to take his place?

Great PTR, Jackson. I'm glad to hear you had fun. It's so enjoyable to read about your new coaster experiences. Just one thing as far as Voyage goes, though... Did you not try the back seat? I'm not a Holiday World expert by any means, but it seems to me like the closer you get to the front car (without being in it) the rougher the ride. The back seat is where it's at for me- I've had many rougher any-seat Beast rides, and the out-of-control feeling is... absolutely indescribable back there. I've honestly never tried 1-1, but my money's on you (or anyone else, for that matter) liking Voyage at least a little better when given a 6- or 7-1 experience like I've had multiple times.

...Wow. My heart is broken. I sincerely do not know how to put it in any other words but that. I had that same exact experience. I saw Will at the park several times on Memorial Day, and no matter what, he was always, always, always smiling and striking up the friendliest conversations with anyone. He was the essence of the park's friendliness. I had honestly intended to try to meet him on my next visit... It would have been incredible, as a Mechanical Engineering major, to have been able to speak casually with the Voyage designer who had helped perfect such an incredible ride from the park's viewpoint. We never met each other, but even at that I feel like I've lost a friend. My sincerely deepest sympathies go out to the Holiday World family, especially the Kochs.

My personal favorites: Magnum: 1-3. Preferably with the trims off. <3 Millennium Force: 2-1. IMO, I think this is the only row with airtime on the first two camelbacks. That's just me. Beast: 6-3, especially at night. Racer: 1-3 at night. Flight Deck: 1-1 or 1-2. Shivering Timbers: 6-2. Voyage: preferably 7-2, but since that doesn't quite seem to be an option right now, 6-2. Legend/Raven: 6-2.

^ Exactly. I've had some cold spring morning rides on Gemini before, and it was nearly crawling by the time we got to the top of that helix. I'm honestly not surprised by this incident at all.

I got to have this same exact experience earlier this month, and- unless something catastrophic happens to the park- you're going to absolutely love it. I don't have many suggestions as far as food goes since I was more in awe of the rides, atmosphere, and staff, but I suggest that, if nothing else, get back row rides on all three of the coasters. They are SO not to be missed, particularly Legend and Voyage! Legend's laterals are ridiculously wild! Compared to Raven and Voyage, Legend doesn't have much airtime, but that first drop... whoa. I've got great cold chills just remembering it. Voyage, on the other hand, is a complete psychological, airtime-filled experience in the last row that will, if you're anything like myself, completely blow your mind. There aren't even words. This isn't to say, of course, that Raven is an "average" coaster. From the parking lot, Raven looks a little dull- but DO NOT miss out on a back row ride on it, either. It's my #3 wooden coaster (beyond Beast and Blue Streak and behind only Legend and Voyage). The first drop- seemingly tame from the parking lot- has airtime in the back that caused a personal thought similar to "Oh, this is a good drop... Wait, I'm still not over it... The train's speeding up, but I'm not over it! What is this-- HOLY AIRTIME STRAIGHT INTO A TUNNEL, BATMAN!" And the rest of the ride causes similar thoughts with its less-than-Legend-but-still-amazing laterals and rightfully famous 5th drop. However, as Raven is the shortest coaster in the park and is located just to the left of the front gate, I'd suggest that you hit it up first in the day. While it seems like a bad suggestion to say so when most of the GP is going to have what I call the "Action Zone effect," where everyone runs for the closest ride inside the front gates, I felt that Raven offered the most consistent rides throughout the day. I've heard Voyage and Legend can be very temperamental with the cool morning rides, so by riding Raven first, you're giving the other two time to warm up. Next, I'd probably hit up any flat rides you might be interested in, possibly such as their flying scooters. Again, this is to allow the other rides to "warm up," though I had no experience with this myself. Better safe than sorry, I suppose! From there, I'd find myself in Legend's queue for a last-row ride. The sound effects at the top of the hill are perfectly timed with your experience in the last car, and the result, again, has got me typing this with cold chills. The ride is just that fun for me, and Holiday World embellishes their rides with "small" touches that have colossal results as well. Your next destination, of course, is to what's consistently hailed as the holy grail of coaster enthusiasts: Voyage. I can't even begin to describe a back row ride on there, so I'm not going to try. Though I'm not sure the current six-car setup delivers quite the same amount of forces, I'm sure it delivers something close enough to the total package which will be enough to make you want to re-ride. So please feel free to, though you may want to note that- at least as far as I noticed- the ride gets oddly rougher the closer you sit to the middle of the train. I really don't have anything to offer as far as Splashin' Safari goes; I've never been. Yet. It was also a little chilly on May 8, so I didn't try to get a ride on Pilgrim's Plunge, but the riders' general reactions while exiting the ride were enough to make me determined to ride next time I go! This is all a little disorganized since it's a little late and I got kind of excited for you while writing this (), but there's my general "let's start the day at Holiday World" plan. Hope it helps, and enjoy your visit! EDIT: ahaha, Terpy and I just basically contradicted each other. This is a little awkward... You might want to pay a little more attention to his since I'm sure he's been there more than the one time I have, but for what it's worth, this plan of attack generally worked for my cold early May visit.

Wow, awesome PTR! I love your attention to detail. Or, more specifically, your attention to Universal's attention to detail. Haha. Planning on hitting up anything else while you're in the area?

This is a really interesting question! For me, it would probably depend on what we get (if anything) for 2011. If it was something rather Voyage-like, then I'd visit plenty of times. As it stands, I probably wouldn't visit more than 3 times, to be honest. Single-day admission costs enough that I wouldn't be able to do it too often... plus, it seems Holiday World still offers passes in this alternate reality.

I'm a little confused on this one... What "giant planter"? My mind instantly jumped to the old Lazer Tag building spot, but that's nowhere near Skyline, is it?

^^ As of May 8th, yes. However, it wasn't as loud as the video made it seem. In fact, the Legend was worse at the top of the lift hill, and even then it wasn't that loud. EDIT: Maybe it's that "new train smell sound".

^ To be fair, I think you have to consider diseases such as diabetes, where certain nutrition is required to stay healthy. Said nutrition, combined with the disease, does not exactly make it as easy as "hitting the treadmill"... -The nephew of an aunt with diabetes, just saying.

^ My thoughts as well... including the part about adding them, though I am overall excited for the Timberliners. I've heard less-than-great stories about the effect of Millennium Flyers on Hersheypark's Wildcat in the areas of airtime, smoothness, and overall fun, but I've decided that's not going to bring me down. Timberliners are a completely different beast with their ability to steer, not to mention that the Gravity Group has basically made it clear that they want them to enhance the ride, not neuter it. TGG focuses far more on the wild, "out of control" feeling, whereas Great Coasters seems to focus more on more family-friendly rides that pack an at least respectable punch and length maintained within a tiny footprint, a goal by no means bad. Of course, I've never ridden a GCII coaster; this is just outsider speculation. But regardless, I do think they're taking into effect the nature of their rides. As such, I will remain optimistic within reason about future Voyage rides.

EDIT: Nevermind.

Disclaimer: I mean this in the most respectful way possible. First off, yes, Voyage seems to be intended to operate every day of Holiday World's calendar. Paula has made no suggestion aimed towards them closing it anytime for testing. If the park is open, it seems they intend to have Voyage running. Now hear me out, even if you disagree... I know we're all totally psyched for the Timberliners. But guys, it seems like we (meaning enthusiasts in general, not just KIC) are sitting around groaning about it unfairly. It's not as if Holiday World is intentionally making everyone wait to get a ride on their new trains. If you read through Paula's exceptionally patient and overly kind comments on the HW Facebook page, this will become evident. (I know I couldn't be as patient as she's been. Nearly every post is related to "When will we ride the new Voyage trains?") They want to get them running. If one of their main pluses is reduced maintenance/retracking on the ride because of the trains, don't you think they'd want them- and them alone; not the PTC train- running now? They're doing their absolute best to get the Indiana testing requirements out of the way while ensuring that the trains themselves will be flawless when we get our hands on them. They don't want to lunge headfirst into something and get I305-esque results. By I305-esque results, I mean not making sure everything was absolutely 100% perfect before letting the GP on. First drop trim brake rumors, anyone? YUCK. Will, Paula, and the rest of the Holiday World family are doing their best, just like they always seem to do. We should be thankful they want to be sure it's done right the first time, because, frankly, hearing things like "the boats were too long for the lift hill- oops!" just kind of irritates me. And in the meantime, why not simply revel in the fact that there's even a Voyage to ride? It's not as if they've shut it down until the Timberliners are functional. I'm convinced they withheld a train from Darien Lake and Predator for a specific reason: Voyage still remains an absolutely mindblowing ride, and they want us to have an opportunity to experience it. So let's just be glad it's running at all, because honestly, if it were me running the park and paying for Voyage's retracking fees, not running the ride till the Timberliners arrived would be very, very tempting. That being said and on a side note, it does seem like Holiday World is kind of getting screwed over on actually receiving the trains. I agree with DaveStroem to an extent- I think someone may be in for it when this is all said and done. But then again, it may be just another case of the Gravity Group wanting to make everything perfect. And as far as I'm concerned after my first Voyage rides earlier this month, good things come for those who wait. Especially if the Gravity Group is involved with it. Now don't go spending my whole $.02 in one place. Just kidding.

I. Will. Take. You. Down. Terp. You have been warned. () Anyway, nice TR! I may have to snag a churro or two (read: as many as possible) when I get up to the Point this year. But everyone knows CP's getting the world's tallest, longest, fastest, meanest, highest-inversion-count flying wooden Aquatrax for 2011!!!!!!!!11!!!1!11

*starts praying for cryptic messages on GCI's or TGG's Facebook pages*

Here's my two cents on it. Personally, I think it should at least be attempted. And I'm not just saying it in hopes of getting some ERT or something. Yes, it's going to be tricky to pull together as it stands. Yes, like other people have said, the whole "work" aspect would be especially troublesome. And I'm not about to deny that, because the logic makes sense. Having workers that aren't really hired by the park yet do work seems, from a layman's perspective, to be a legal nightmare. And I agree. But still, do try. Just because you won't be able to instantly grab the camo netting and go to town on The Crypt's ride chamber doesn't mean this still isn't a great idea. Even if it amounts to just a "Live 5@5," that's still a step closer to being able to contact the park directly. Even if they don't always take advantage of suggestions we might provide, this would still absolutely be an unparalleled source of involvement with something we all really do love. Yes, unparalleled. As great of a site this is, the arguments that "this is what KIC does" just don't click with me. Where's the direct contact with people who can change and order things within the park? Knowing that they read the forums is okay- but that's all it is. We can do anything from nicely suggest to downright demand things from the park on here, but when it's all said and done, our suggestions are half-noteworthy at best. After all, our suggestions can be taken either as "a great idea I heard from our fans" or as "just some thoughts by some passioned park enthusiasts we need not worry about". A Kings Court would be- assuming we use our earpiece wisely- valued, respected, and exciting. Meeting with the Court could be something management would look forward to- and by all means, we should make it something to look forward to! Which brings me to my next point: were this to happen, we couldn't dare abuse our stance with the park. We would need to realize that the park by no means owes us anything and that this is NOT some means by which we can start unloading our demands. Nobody's going to enjoy attending some meeting where all they hear is "bring back the Eagles," "fix _____ theming," "take off The Beast trims," and "tear down/open/remodel Son of Beast". That's not being a great source of park guest information- that's just plain being annoying. And I think being too persistent in those needs, important as we feel they are, would be a tempting action but the Court's quickest downfall. Does that mean a Court should just be a rowdy band of people who tell the park what it wants to hear? Absolutely not! What I'm saying is that theming, for instance, may- may, not is- be something the park could stand to hear-- but when approached, it should be first and foremost respectful. Realize that the park officials may actually agree quite a bit with your points but simply isn't in a position to carry your requests. After all, wasn't it just last month that we had a debt management firm bidding for the right to own Kings Island and several other parks?! If we can keep this mature and respectful, yet lighthearted and helpful, then I think this is a prime opportunity for both the park and for ourselves. But if a couple of nay-sayers are going to shoot this down, then by all means send me the contact information and let the park know I'll be stopping by soon. Rome wasn't built in a day, but I'm sure they covered a few streets in that time. -Alex, who's had quite a while since he's posted this much.

To be honest, I've been semi-anxiously awaiting this report. I love reading your great TRs, giga- and this one did not disappoint! Thanks for writing it! Oh, and one other thing I want to clarify... Were the lines really that short for pass processing? I'm getting mine processed this Saturday, and my lack of any-park-besides-KI-or-CP knowhow has me cringing with horrible flashbacks to LONG April/May weekend processing lines. Haha. I really want to get that first ride on Voyage as soon as possible! Just saying.

Every time I saw The Crypt on opening day, it was closed. However, I was only at the park until 2. Anyone able to confirm the hours thereafter?

This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. I don't know how to express my love for it in any other way besides saying I AM SO IN.

^ Bam. Done: Richard. Also, I vote for him. He's much more realistic than ol' Shag.

I actually have problems with dry eyes myself, and I wear contacts. On top of this, I have astigmatism issues with both my eyes, so my contacts, while secure, don't fit just right in my eyes. In spite of that, I make a point to wear my contacts (on top of almost daily wearing them) when I visit parks, and I've never lost them. Moreso, they almost never shift around on my eyes when I ride a launched coaster. The only exception to this was one- and only one- ride on Top Thrill Dragster a year or two ago. It was an exceptionally humid and warm day, and my eyes were spazzing out and spontaneously watering up when I'd rub my eyes thanks to allergies. My contacts were essentially on an ice skating rink and were being really iffy about sitting properly on my eyes, so when we launched, one slid to the side. I shut that eye till the ride was over and readjusted it when I got off. No biggie. I've never had any similar issues when my eyes were dry, either. So if it were me making this decision, I'd go with contacts just so you don't have to deal with pocketing/holding onto your glasses. But that's just me. Oh, and also- welcome to the site!

Anyone else notice that they're going in order when releasing these? They started on King Cobra's corner of Action Zone and have worked their way up through Oktoberfest and Coney Mall... which makes me guess that we're next going to see a BLSC, Beast, or Diamondback POV next, if they're doing it intentionally. The only thing wrong with this theory is that they skipped over Flight of Fear and Firehawk... hmmm. EDIT: Well... I guess King Cobra's still technically part of Adventure Village at the time of the recordings, isn't it. EDIT again: Ha, I just realized that there wouldn't be any POVs of those two coasters since they weren't built yet in 1995. Nothing to see here, move along...

The site doesn't work on any web browser for me- Chrome, Firefox, or IE. Up until about 10 minutes ago, it would redirect me to the shopping page for Firefox and IE. EDIT: Site now works in Firefox just fine. Chrome still has nothing. I don't care what IE gives me. Haha. EDIT again: Site now works everywhere. I like it! It's MUCH better than the old yellow site.