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  1. I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone who is following this project to be disappointed in the webcams being down. This is Kings Island's longest, tallest, and fastest steel coaster. Kings Island may never build another coaster of this magnitude. Sometimes we (myself included) take a lot of these larger coaster installations for granted. We've had Diamondback (a world-class hyper), Banshee (a world-class inverted), Mystic Timbers (a world-class wooden coaster) and Orion (what will be a world-class giga) all within a just over 10-year timeframe. How many other parks can we think of that has received these kinds of installations within that same timeframe? The economy has been a tailwind during that time, but there's absolutely no guarantee that will continue to be the case moving forward. Cedar Fair has already come out and said that these larger installations are likely going to slow down. Kings Island is very unlikely to see this kind of marquee installation again for a LONG time, and as such, this is going to be their flagship coaster for a LONG time. Missing out on seeing the progress of a coaster that we've all been (1) waiting for a long time to be built, (2) were overjoyed to have announced, (3) is currently under construction, and (4) may not see an equivalent scale coaster built at this park ever again is definitely disappointing. The construction work being done now is literally the first or second thing that most Kings Island guests will see as they approach the park next year and for years to come thereafter. Regardless as to how you feel about the coaster this is a milestone moment in the park's history. Is it worth organizing a protest and start picketing around Kings Island because of this situation? Of course not. This is a hobby of ours so we want to make sure and keep things in the proper perspective. But in the context of our hobby this is absolutely an incredibly exciting time, and to be missing out on some of this for whatever reason the webcams are down is a bummer. Hopefully we'll continue to have those charitable posters continue to post pictures from publicly-accessible areas to satisfy our curiosity!
  2. gad198

    Decoding 2020

    Has the title of this thread been changed? Decombing 2020
  3. gad198

    Decoding 2020

    All of the newer B&M hypers - those built after 2005, are all fantastic. The only B&M coaster I haven't ridden in North America is Goliath at La Ronde (long story!) so I can't comment on that one, but needless to say I have thoroughly enjoyed all of them. Fury, Mako, Diamondback, Goliath at SFOG, Behemoth and Leviathan are all in my top 10 overall coasters. If B&M is behind this project the ride will be incredibly fun regardless as to how long the ride ends up being. Fury 325 is a better ride than Leviathan. The only thing that a lot of people wished - myself included - is that Leviathan were a little longer. It just feels like Leviathan is way shorter than Fury 325. Out of curiosity I checked out POVs of each coaster from the start of the first drop to the final brakes, and there's an eight second difference in ride time between the two coasters (50 seconds for Leviathan vs. 58 seconds for Fury 325). Eight seconds! The first drops on either coaster are the among the best first drops on any coaster. Very few people will be complaining once this coaster opens. I would be shocked if this coaster does not have at least a 300' lift height. The visual aspect of having a huge lift hill is part of the draw of these coasters. You also have the marketing aspect to consider. The marketing people would prefer not to qualify that the coaster isn't 300' tall, but it does have a 300' drop. It's much easier to say that the coaster is over 300' tall. I would also be surprised if: the trains are anything other than straight 4-across and 32 seats total the total track length is less than Diamondback the ride uses any of the former SOB plot of land Kings Island isn't going to overthink this. They already got the hardest part right - making the decision to partner with B&M to do this project. They know that they only have one opportunity to build a coaster of this magnitude and they've had plenty of time to consider how to best leverage their available resources. One of the world's best coasters is coming to Kings Island. I really hope that everyone who has a chance to follow this project realizes how fortunate we are. Six Flags and Busch season pass holders have a nearly zero chance of ever seeing a project like this at any of their respective parks anytime soon. Are there going to be things about this project that some people will question or dislike? Sure. Just remember that the opportunity to follow along with a project of this magnitude at your home park will only come along a few times in your life. Make sure that you remember this time for all of the right reasons. One of the world's best coasters is coming to our park!
  4. gad198

    Decoding 2020

    Just wanted to comment on a couple of things: In the first picture that sixohdieselrage just put up today (thank you for putting up those great photos by the way!), you can see that towards the bottom of the cleared area towards the end of The Beast covered shed that there is a line of trees starting to be cleared. If you look at the photos that sixohdieselrage posted last week on page 14, I would direct your attention to the fourth photo in that post. https://KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34621-decoding-2020/&do=findComment&comment=817208 You'll notice that while the angle of the photos isn't exactly the same, there is definite tree clearing in that area now that wasn't present in the April 27 photos. I think that is a pretty clear sign that the clearing has not reached its full extension in that direction yet. If that is the case, I think the odds of this project interacting with the old SOB plot will continue to go down with time. I think Cedar Fair will choose pretty bright colors for this project. Remember that this coaster is going to be in the back of the park. That is pertinent because the back of the park is a long way from the I-71 highway. They are going to want to make absolutely sure that this coaster really stands out even from longer distances to accentuate the height. I think that's one of the reasons that they originally put brighter yellow paint on Diamondback's lift hill and then used softer tones on the rest of the coaster. Personally, I'm with others here that have expressed a desire for a GateKeeper blue track with white supports combo. The white supports on GateKeeper and Fury really make those coasters pop on the skyline. If the Polaris or Orion names are used I think that will further lend itself to spacey kinds of colors - gray, silver, white, black, softer shades of blue. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how the rest of this project develops!
  5. This 100%. My first thought anytime I see a front-of-line option is "does this seem like a good value?" I think $850 is a really good price point. It's way too expensive for the person making a few visits a year and it's a good enough value for anyone who visits 10 times or more. I also agree with you that price hikes for the daily Fast Lane Plus options would be in good order to cut down the numbers of people in the Fast Lane lines, thus increasing the benefits for those who do purchase Fast Lane.
  6. I rode this last Friday. Overall, I'd say that the ride is good. I think the ride is fun and it definitely fills a niche within the park. I respect everyone else's opinions. Having said that, I don't really think that there's anything particularly memorable about this ride. The ride was designed to be a more family-friendly launch coaster and Mack certainly succeeded in that objective. The seats and restraints are comfortable. Load times were a little long and the ride seems to be having some early season hiccups, so hopefully that gets straightened out before too long. Those of you heading down to ride will want to hit this first because of some of the technical issues. I think Kings Island would definitely benefit from a coaster like this at some point, but there is absolutely no way I'd be in favor of getting one of these before a B&M gigacoaster. The possibility of B&M gigacoaster 3.0 interests me WAY more than a third launch coaster at Kings Island. Most of the guests who just got off the ride or were chatting about the ride elsewhere in the park all said pretty much the same thing - that it is a fun coaster for what it is but not something they were dying to get back in line for again quickly. My final grade would be a B-.
  7. Manta and Tatsu - the best B&M flyers in the US - are really, really good rides. Having said that, they aren't what I would consider re-rideable coasters. The forces that those rides exert can be a little uncomfortable given the position you're riding in, and as a result, I very rarely have a desire to immediately re-ride. One of the reasons that a B&M giga is going to work well at Kings Island is because of a high re-rideability factor. I always want to immediately re-ride the best B&M hypers - Diamondback, Fury 325, Mako, etc. The ability for a ride to be both thrilling and re-rideable is a very difficult thing to achieve in a ride, and that's one of the reasons that B&M hypers have been extremely successful for the Cedar Fair chain. They're really fun rides, they move a lot of people through, and they are really tall which makes people talk about them. People of all ages like B&M hypers. I don't really think the same can be said of the B&M flyers, at least not to the same degree. I think Banshee took care of the "adding inversions" to the park's lineup very well for the time being. The park needs a "here's our no-doubt-about-it-we're-putting-this-on-all-our-brochures-and-billboards-and-commercials" signature ride. Cedar Fair is not going to overthink this. Diamondback was the best addition to the park in the last 30 years. Some may debate that, but if you look at the popularity Diamondback has enjoyed these last 10 seasons, the high guest satisfaction, high uptime, ridership numbers and hourly capacity I'm really not sure that there's a case to be made for any other attraction. Adding something that will top Diamondback will make everyone happy, and I look forward to seeing what B&M can do with a giga on the land available to them.
  8. Dueling Dragons had separate load and unload zones. That's the only B&M that's had them to the best of my knowledge. When the KI giga comes, I would hope that the park would opt to have things set up Fury 325 style. The small stretch of track between the station and the lift hill can serve as its own block. Fury can actually have a train on the lift hill while dispatching the train that's in the station. The train simply stops on that section of track and is held until the train ahead of it is at the far turnaround by the front gate. That setup frees up the station to have a train in the station unloading and loading while others are out on the course. That is one of the reasons why the hourly capacity on that coaster is amazing.
  9. SeaWorld San Diego is a nice park. My friend Dave and I were out there a few months ago and we really enjoyed our visit. The biggest issue they have is that the park doesn't have a whole lot to do on the "amusement" side of the park, so this will be a welcome addition. This new B&M dive will fit in very nicely in the park, and it will be the only B&M dive west of the Mississippi. I'm sure they'll get some mileage out of this addition.
  10. Is there a "let me see what 2020 brings" option? With the possibility of B&M hypers/gigas at Kings Island & Hersheypark and an RMC Gwazi, I'm WAY more excited about anything in 2020 than I am for anything next year. Copperhead Strike and Yukon Striker look like the best of the 2019 bunch, but I'd rather take the possibility of anything top-shelf worthy in 2020 than the sure-fire 2019 additions.
  11. I actually am more excited about the area around the coaster than I am the coaster itself. I am definitely not a Steelers fan, but I think the interactive areas look really interesting. If nothing else, a lot of these areas will be accessible and open when the weather is poor. It'll be interesting to see how this ends up looking when everything is complete. Personally, I'm not digging the coaster, like, at all. Aesthetically it's not pleasing to look at. The layout doesn't seem to have a lot of flow to it. It looks like they decided to add a bunch of random elements together with no regard for how everything flows together as a whole. I haven't been to the park since 2011 and this definitely won't be the ride to bring me back.
  12. A KI giga made by anyone other than B&M would be a mistake of epic proportions. RMC coasters would probably bring a more "thrilling" coaster, but you have the following major drawbacks: much lower capacity - 24 seat trains (vs. 32 for a B&M) much slower loading due to the design of the trains and restraints. I've yet to see ANY RMC coaster load and dispatch quickly more guests will be turned away because of the more restrictive restraints way more downtime. I've ridden 8 RMCs thus far and have experienced downtime of some kind at 7 of them. Ask Cedar Point reps how they feel about their RMC right now I'm not even going to discuss the possibility of an Intamin since there's an almost zero percent chance of that happening. They still haven't figured out how to make good restraints! Kings Island is not going to spend $30 million (or more) on a new attraction without knowing EXACTLY what they're getting. Cedar Fair B&M hyper installations have all been fantastic and have been very popular with park guests. More importantly, B&M coasters are good financial investments for the parks. RMC coasters cost as much now as new B&Ms and come with way more headaches. Mack hasn't gone anywhere near 300 feet yet. Kings Island knows that if they're going to install sometime of this magnitude that they absolutely, positively, have to get it right. Kings Island won't overthink this.
  13. I do think there's a very high probability that a giga coaster is coming to Kings Island within the next few seasons. The odds of the giga being anything other than a B&M are close to zero though. Cedar Fair hasn't worked with Intamin in years. Mack has yet to go anywhere near 300'. Cedar Fair isn't going to spend $30 million on a project of this magnitude without knowing exactly what they're getting. Leviathan and Fury 325 and the smaller B&M megas like Diamondback have been enormous hits for their respective parks. A B&M giga at Kings Island would have a strong possibility of being the best ride in the world. There's no other coaster company that provides the combination of reliability, comfortable ride, throughput, and ROI that B&M provides. From the park's perspective you finally get a no-doubt-about-it signature attraction. Mystic Timbers was a brilliant addition - fun, re-rideable, a 48" height attraction...but it didn't break the bank. The Western Row construction project didn't include the expansion of Kings Island Drive without cause. The new parking arrangement is designed to better flow through more cars. It's been nearly 10 years since Diamondback, a ride that completely changed the dynamic of the park. The attendance of the park can more than support a ride of this magnitude. It's time. If it makes financial sense for the park to install a giga, they will. Kings Island has the land. Kings Island has the attendance. It's just a matter of time.
  14. Just got back from the park. I got in line at the Skyline on International Street at 4:15. The line at that time was to the door with the one switchback open. I walked out at 40 minutes later right at 4:55. I apologize if this has already been discussed, but there are two issues with the setup at that particular location: The drink stand setup is abysmal. The drink stand is located between the serving line and the cashier station. In and of itself that's not a big issue, but there were no drink cups at that location. People who want drinks have to go to the cashier station and then go back to the drink station, cutting back behind people in line behind you. There was only one cashier...on a Saturday...at the beginning of prime meal times. Look, I get that it's early in the season and that finding enough people to work until schools are let out is tough. However, it's becoming more and more clear that the biggest bottlenecks at most of the food stands are at the cashier stations. I don't know why the folks responsible for implementing food service simply refuse to take positive steps towards eliminating major bottlenecks at food service locations. There are only a few potential bottlenecks at each particular location; the cashier stations, waffle fries at Chick-Fil-A, etc. If Kings Island food service management refuses to address these issues and address them quickly, there are going to be many people who will simply spend their food dollars elsewhere. I do have a food plan. Having said that, I'm not going to wait 40 minutes again for two cheese coneys, fries and a drink. More and more I realize that my time is way more valuable to any "value" I feel like I need to extract from my meal plan. I would much rather pay double for my meal plan and be able to have quick service. To the folks at Kings Island food service management, something has to be done. You can do what you can to improve the situation or you'll have the situation improved for others as people don't renew their plans. The dining plans offer amazing convenience, and your consumers want to be loyal. Having said that, your consumer base isn't inelastic as far as the demand. Your consumers are only going to buy if there's value - good food AND quick service, and right now we're not getting the latter. KI - it's your move.
  15. Cedar Point has two things that KI doesn't...nearly 100 years of additional history and Lake Erie. It would be hard for any one additional investment at KI to overcome those two items. Having said that, I do agree that KI is a giga coaster away from being in the "best coaster destination in the US" conversation. Building Diamondback really changed everything for the park. Having an extremely popular, tall, high capacity coaster at the park really took the park to another level. With the opening of Mystic Timbers the park will have four world-class coasters - two really good wooden coasters, one of the best inverts in Banshee, and the aforementioned Diamondback. Adding a giga would bring the park a fifth world-class coaster, and more importantly for the park, would give the park a marquee, no-doubt-about-it signature attraction. As I said earlier, I still believe that Kings Island will get a giga sooner rather than later. I think building Mystic Timbers first was smart and will allow Kings Island to have more popular attractions in the lineup to help soak up some of the additional crowds that the giga would bring. All of the changes at Kings Island and the better infrastructure around Kings Island (Western Row/I-71 construction) just feels like something big is coming. In 2008 there was one world-class coaster (Beast). In a few years we might have five. Kings Island is ready to hit the big time.
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