McSalsa

Sorry. I had to be "quite general" when it came to that because KIC only allows 20 options per question. If anyone else beyond this point has a very particular ride that makes them feel sick, please leave a comment on it. Thanks.

Ahh, my first poll of the offseason. The subject- puke! In Roller Coaster Tycoon, your guests will ride rides, get sick, and hurl. This happens in real life too, of course. One of the "guest ratings" in these games is "Nausea Tolerance". The question is, how much can you take before...BLAGH...you hurl. Some people can take a lot. Others cannot take much. How much can you handle? Do you keep riding if you start to feel sick? And what rides cause you to hurl the most(this usually varies from person to person). Enjoy.

Well, it was a great year for me too even though I only managed to go to KI ONCE . But that only made the one visit that much more memorable... #1-Seeing KI for the first time in 9 years caused me to nearly explode from excitement. #2-My first ride on The Beast ever. (Awesome) #3-White Water Canyon with my sister and my best friend. Hillariously fun. Also quite wet. #4-Waiting 1 hour to ride Diamondback (should have been only 40 minutes but rain interfered). #5-Seeing my Mom's reaction to Diamondback (she was scared to death! OK I was a bit too...). She was OK, but rode only 1 more ride that day. #6-Eating an amazing Chilli Dog from Skyline Chilli. Hadn't had one that good in a while. #7-Getting hit on by a park employee and not realizing it up in the Eiffel Tower. Yep. Me dumb. #8-Riding The Beast...at night...with my best friend. #9-Ending the day with a gentle ride on the Grand Carousel. See #7. I tried to "save it". And now, the dissapointments... #1-The Crypt...you already know. My first real "ride" after the Eiffel Tower and I was worried it would ruin the trip. Beast made a nice save though. #2-Firehawk's lines. Ouch. #3-Really wanting to try Son of Beast, walk up to it, "we're closed for the day, sorry". And now it may NEVER open again. Now I may never how good/bad Son of Beast really is. #4-Being forced to have KI withdrawl. That's it... And now, McSalsa's Top 5 Rides of 2009: #1-The Beast (Night) @ Kings Island #2-Diamondback @ Kings Island #3-Flight of Fear @ Kings Island #4-The Beast (Daytime) @ Kings Island #5-Red Racer @ Kings Island Sorry for the long post. PS, I will try my hardest to get more visits to KI next year...and other parks as well. So far, Cedar Point and Holiday World trips are possible. Hopefully, all goes well. Bonus: Most Painful Ride of 2009 Vortex. My shoulders ached after that ride. Not that bad. If you count Carnivals, though, a certain Hammer ride had Vortex beat 100 fold...and probably even Son of Beast.

OK, I had another dream about KI to post. Sorry for bumpin this. In the dream, it was 2010. I rode Adventure Express, and then went over and rode The Beast. Then we headed over to Action Zone and examined Son of Beast, which was undergoing overhaul and would not be ready to re-open until 2011. It had a new steel support structure, had been re-tracked, and had new silver trains. A weird part was they had swapped out the old chain lift for a cable lift hill (which leads me to believe Intamin was doing the overhaul as I said "like El Toro" when I saw the Cable Lift Hill). Kings Island also got a new ride of 2010...Screamin' Swing! I had also heard they had chosen the next ride for the "new ride rotation program". It was...TopGun1993 don't read on...Adventure Express, which was going to Knott's Berry Farm. I heard rumors that a B&M Invert was coming...rumor was, it would be Raptor from Cedar Point...wait, could that fit? Could this really be the future? PS: There was no mention of Planet Snoopy in my dream. We "avoided" that area. Summary of Dream: "Good" Stuff: -Son of Beast was going to re-open, though in 2011 -Raptor coming to KI -Screamin' Swing Bad Stuff: -Adventure Express final season at KI before moving to Knott's That's it.

Your welcome. PS: For anyone who doesn't understand what this video is (HUH!?!?), it was from opening day 2000. Son of Beast was still "finishing up" construction and did not open along with the park that year, instead it had to wait a few more days/weeks until it debuted in (I think) early May 2000. It was then closed once again after riders complained of roughness. A few weeks later, it was open once more, and got much better reviews. I made my very first KI Trip sometime in August 2000 and Son of Beast was running all day that day. My cousin rode it and declared it "the best ride in the park" if I remember correctly, a 10/10 (he gave original Beast a 9). By 2003, however, the bad reviews started to come in, then the '06 accident hit and Son of Beast has been on a downhill spiral ever since. I think this guy sums it up correctly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_oaGXcdWgs#movie_player This video may be about Holiday World's Voyage, but the comment made at 2:20 is very fitting- some coasters just start off great (in fact, I don't think there are many at all that are considered bad when they open) but give it a few years and the best and worst will begin to show.

What more needs to be said about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iwFrdqAYEQ...feature=related Found this video on youtube that seems to be from either 2000 or 2001, because King Cobra can be spotted in it. It features Son of Beast, and gives a look back at "brighter days" for the ride. Just felt this was worth sharing.

Do they still have the blueprints? An idea popped into my head last night as I first saw those videos: a theme park built with the theme "the great rides of the past return!". It would be filled with re-creations of classic roller coasters that no longer exist, coupled with classic flatrides and classic theming and atmosphere. Sigh. If only I had the money do that... PS: For Terpy... It's a no limits recreation of a ride that no longer exists. I think you will be quite pleased.

Oh, and if anyone finds more old roller coaster videos, feel free to post links to this page. And we don't care even if the coaster/ride is still standing today (let's say it's a video from when Vortex first opened, etc). But make it at least pre-1990s if possible. Old Pictures are also welcome. For Example: Beast POV as a "baby" in 1979. The coaster remains, but is now 30 years old. My how time sure does fly. From the KIC video page on youtube.

While this isn't footage of KI, I thought some of you "old school" (or even new school) coaster fans would enjoy some classic roller coaster videos of rides that simply no longer exist. I found this video on youtube: It's a video of the infamous Crystal Beach Cyclone. One of the most violent roller coasters ever built, and possibly even more so than even today's most vicious monsters (Voyage, El Toro, etc.). The music in this video, in my opinion, fits this coaster PERFECTLY. More Videos on the same channel: The Rye Aeroplane Coney Island Ohio, Pre-1971 (The prelude to Kings Island of sorts) And here is a link to the channel itself with even more videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=swampfoxer#p/u Enjoy.

Not necessarily. I'm not a coaster engineer, but please humor me. Imagine if Voyage was exactly the same as it is today, but dig a 60 trench at the base of the first drop (154'). Now "extend" the first drop into that trench. Now you have a 214' foot drop, like Son of Beast. My understanding (and ride experience) is that the drop on Son of Beast works fine, despite its height and speed. The problem is traversing the Rose Bowl at high speed. In theory, the Voyage train would crest the second hill and traverse the rest of the course just as it does today. The only difference is a longer and faster first drop. My point is that a wooden hypercoaster doesn't have to be rougher than any other wooden coaster, as long as the other elements (curves, turns, banks) are designed to be taken at reasonable speeds. To answer your original question, I think the biggest barriers to another hyperwoodie / looping woodie are cost, maintenance, and the fact that steel does hyper and loops just fine. Personally, I agree with you: I'd love to see more giant wooden coasters. Excellent points. If anyone ever does another wooden hypercoaster, I give these suggestions: -Don't use a "Twister" style layout. Make it "a classic out and back coaster on a much bigger scale." You can have Helixes and turns, but save those for the END of the ride, when it has lost some of its speed. -Have Intamin build it, so it can be a pre-fab. This will reduce costs and make the ride much, much smoother than most normal wooden coasters. Of course, the end result is a "Wooden Diamondback" of sorts. It works, and you get records, but you can get the same result from a B&M Hyper for about the same price. So you would only do this for records, it seems. Though you could probably mix it up a bit (have a few helixes with tunnels near the end of the ride, etc) to make it different from its steel hypercoaster "brothers". Just more thoughts...

The Suspended Coaster wasn't a failure. It was simply replaced by a newer design- the rise of the inverted coaster is what killed it. By the time we got Flight Deck(Top Gun) in '93, all of the problems had been solved. Flight Deck isn't a maintence nightmare like The Bat was at all, and though it has some rust, it still operates very well and is an enjoyable ride. I understand, though, if you think them "failures" because they didn't turn out to be the mega thrill rides we had hoped for (though some of them are excellent "family thrill" rides). I also hope, in the future, someone sees the lignt that Suspended coasters are NOT the same as Inverts, and builds a new one. One problem though- Arrow is gone...would B&M or Intamin build a Suspended coaster...and what the heck would theirs be like!?!?

Oh, on another subject, I do also wonder if a existing coaster (Son of Beast, cough cough) could be CONVERTED into a Plug & Play via retracking? It seems possible, and might work wonders for Son of Beast. Just an extra thought.

Well, for the most part, Son of Beast was a flop. Sure, it worked for a while, and has its fanbase, but when the ride sends rider after rider to the hospital, is mocked by enthusiasts, and is closed down most of the time, it's a flop. While its fate remains unknown, I ask you a question: do you think we will ever see a giant wooden coaster on this scale again, or has SOB killed the entire idea? There is also a bonus poll, will loops in wooden coasters ever return? My Opinion: While Son of Beast has "hurt" the idea of a 200+ foot wooden coaster, I do think it's possible, but only 1 company I can think of stands a chance. Intamin. Why do I think this? Meet Colossos @ Heide Park, in germany... http://www.rcdb.com/988.htm Colossos stands 196 feet tall. 4 feet taller and it would be considered a hypercoaster. Yet this coaster doesn't suffer from any of Son of Beast's problems. Why? It's a pre-fab plug & play coaster. From accounts I have heard, the coaster is steel smooth. If you cannot make it to Heide Park, then at least go ride El Toro @ Six Flags Great Adventure, which stands 181 feet tall and has been known to reach 75 miles per hour(they are running it FASTER than the design calls for...Cedar Fair would never do that! ). There is also a chance the Gravity Group might do it, but I don't seem to like the idea of that because their coasters, as good as they are, can be quite rough (I have heard Voyage described as "abusive boyfriend/girlfriend you can't get enough of!" before) and if that style of coaster went over 200 feet, it could be just as bad as Son of Beast if not worse. This is all just theory, but I do think it could work. If Son of Beast does get removed, hopefully Cedar Fair will put a Intamin Plug & Play Hypercoaster in its place for us shortly afterwords. As for loops...yes, that IS possible. Just don't make the loop so big the train has to be ultra-heavy to "do" it. That means that it is possible, but not beyond a certain size. I would also suggest having steel supports on such a coaster. Sorry for the long post. If you don't like my polls...why did you click the polls section!?!?

I know. But in the roller coaster industry, being an ACE landmark does help a ride as it will give it "extra value"(and a popularity boost, though if a coaster becomes an ACE landmark it is probably already popular) compared to coasters that don't earn the title. I didn't say Racer & Beast would last forever, but they have both already outlived quite a few of their younger peers and will probably outlive a few more before their time finally does come. I would expect both Beast & Racer to remain standing for at least 25 more years, if not longer. Unless, of course, there is some sort of freak accident (meteors, tornadoes, crazy dudes, etc). Then no coaster is safe from destruction. PS: Do not think short lines at The Racer or any other ride means "it's not popular!". In 2000, Racer had short lines. And yet when the final tallies came in, more people rode The Racer that year than any other coaster! Son of Beast, which was new for 2000 and had CRAZY long lines(I remember those)wasn't even in the Top 5. PS #2: Wonder what coaster got rode the most thus far this year...probably Racer or Diamondback...

Beast isn't going anywhere soon. Same goes for Racer. By becoming ACE landmarks, they pratically became invincible. As long as Kings Island stays open, that is...heck, I could even see Beast staying open after KI is long gone much like the Coney Island Cyclone is today (Astroland is dead, it's still running!). Racer...maybe not so much. As for what ride will go next, there is actually a bit of a formula for this for the steel coasters. Take opening date. Add 20-25 years. There you have it, because that's how long the average steel coaster lasts. So...adding 20 years... Flight Deck-2013 Vortex-2007 (It should already be gone!!!) (I say 2013 to 2015) These still have quite some time though... Invertigo-2019 Flight of Fear-2016 (I doubt it, it has a good chance of becoming an ACE landmark) Firehawk-2021 (I am taking into account its years as X Flight) Diamondback-2029 (I also doubt this one, B&Ms seem to be able to last longer than "normal" steel coasters) I am not taking into account the "family" coasters because I think those are probably, due to their smaller size, easier to maintain and keep up. Either way, it appears we are about to have a very bad decade as far as coaster removal goes...uh-oh..

Do I even need to explain this? The title says it all. Some of the original theming is still intact in this video. Enjoy. 111% Coasterbob62's work. Also check out this video, it's a news feature of Kings Island in '93, the year Paramount took over: Also from Coasterbob62.

Umm...we already have one of those. It's called Diamondback. Having 2 B&M Hypercoasters would be a waste of money, unless you build it right next to DB using a similar layout and make it like Racer... So your saying we can't have 2two B&M hypers if they are not racing? What if one had a loop, or if one was a flyer? That would be OK, but a B&M "Hyper Looper" would render Vortex useless though...and a 200+ foot flying coaster...hmm...I am getting some ideas... A B&M Hyper Invert! BWA HA HA HA HA!!! Just remembered, I have ridden a B&M Hyper Invert in No Limits called "The Bat Returns". It stands a whopping 270 feet tall, has 6 inversions, and is just awesome. Link to page: http://www.coastercrazy.com/track_exchange...il.asp?tid=7664 You will need to join the page to download it. Now, how to convince B&M to build it...hmm...

Umm...we already have one of those. It's called Diamondback. Having 2 B&M Hypercoasters would be a waste of money, unless you build it right next to DB using a similar layout and make it like Racer... So your saying we can't have 2two B&M hypers if they are not racing? What if one had a loop, or if one was a flyer? That would be OK, but a B&M "Hyper Looper" would render Vortex useless though...and a 200+ foot flying coaster...hmm...I am getting some ideas... A B&M Hyper Invert! BWA HA HA HA HA!!!

OK, having not made a poll in a few weeks, I need to get back on track. So, here is an interesting topic. When you think, "the average roller coaster", what kind of ride pops in your head? A Arrow Mega Looper? A classic woodie? Something that should not be considered anywhere near "average"(X2, Son of Beast, and other "oddities" and such)? Here is what still pops in my head: a classic out & back wooden coaster. Pictured is Blue Streak @ Cedar Point, a perfect example. What do you think of when you imagine "the ordinary roller coaster"? Enjoy. PS: If you don't like polls...you shouldn't be here. Though this really is more of a "discussion"...

Or "Tractor O' Zoom"...wait, that's not supposed to exist until 2010...never mind.

ROFLMAO! THE FRICKIN THING GOES 93 MILES AN HOUR!! How much more "express" can you get? 120mph+ on "Top Thrill Express?"?

A very quick and sloppy response joke to this...(Terpy should LOVE this ride!) PS: Red squiggly line thing is supposed to be Diamondback. And I got Sear's Towers name "wrong" (what u talking about Willis!?!?).

Well I am not Shaggy, but I would go with option B if I were Cedar Fair since it is $13 million cheaper. Might take a few years before we start trusting SOB again though. PS: The $13,000,000 saved could buy us a roller coaster like Voyage @ Holiday World, which if I am correct only cost $7 million to build or so, AND have enough left over for a giant flatride!

You never know. That dog can eat a lot of food, so he might be able to eat you! DA DA DUM!