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  1. No. While they're fairly common on inverts, there are many sitdown coasters with immelmanns as well.

    On that note, Banshee's first inversion is a dive loop technically. Granted, its the same shape of an immelmann, just traveled in reverse...

    Immelmanns start as one half of a vertical loop before diverting the train to the left or right. Dive loops do the opposite (and thus, to be fair, could be considered "reverse immelmanns").

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  2. Apparently, we do have a floorless coaster... 


    Floorless – A roller coaster whose train has no floor, nothing above or below the rider other than the seat itself. Flying Ace Aerial Chase located in Kings Island’s award-winning kids’ area, Planet Snoopy, is a floorless coaster.


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  3. With regards to ride safety/regulations, I've sort of always had this theory that most parks, particularly large (non-traveling) ones in fully-developed countries like KI is, probably hold their rides to higher standards than does their jurisdiction/governing body. 

    Even morals and ethics aside, ensuring safety as priority no. 1 of a park is as important for business as anything.

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  4. And as much as I wouldn't mind seeing another wooden coaster come to the park, and as much as I like them in general, I will concede that the idea of a fifth (sixth, counting Racer twice) woodie at KI, just doesn't seem all that likely (unless its a low-maintenance topper-track, or relatively small GCI/Gravity Group for Planet Snoopy).

  5. Evidently, but not surprisingly, it seem there's vast disagreement with regards to what classifies "family" intermediate, "thrill", or "high-thrill" rides and where the distinctions between all of them are set. And that's fine. We all define things differently...

    But that having said, to those who consider Mystic Timbers to be little more than a family coaster, I'm curious to know what scale of ride you consider Gold Striker, Thunderhead, Renegade, Prowler, Apocalypse etc?

    Because by every relevant dimension - height, speed, length, drop, angle etc. - all of MT's stats are basically equivalent to, if not greater than, all the aforementioned coasters. Yet it seems only Mystic Timbers receives the subtly deprecating/diminishing connotation of .... "family" that the other ones don't.

    In fact, would you believe that it just so happens to be the second-tallest GCI in the world behind only the outlier Wodan?


    Now of course, that isn't to say that the ride is not popular with families. It is. (inherently, all successful rides are made with "family" audience in mind to some extent, in that they have to be acceptable to a general population of guests)

    The problem I have with it receiving the "family" mark is when its used in the pejorative sense (as is the case sometimes)...

    And then there's the issue of, if Mystic is one of GCI's "family coasters", (despite it being the tallest, one of the fastest, and one of the longest in North America), then what does that make what I consider to be their true family coasters in InvadR, Wicker Man, White Lightning etc.?


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  6. ^^Right. We have some low capacity rides, but that isn't to say it wouldn't be preferable to have something higher capacity.

    Also, Invertigo is not a high-profile ride by any means and has the excuse of being a shuttle. The problem with JDC is that its going to be one of SFGAdv top rides, yet have the capacity far below Nitro, El Toro, and Bizarro. Kingda Ka has poor capacity and thats reflected in its wait times.

    FOF and BLSC? Those are both launched, which also tend to be lower capacity rides in general.

    I'd say most of us are in agreement that an RMC of some type would be a welcome addition to the park someday, but personally I'd like to them improve their capacity first. 

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  7. To clarify, I was referring to drop height, of which it will be the fourth tallest on a lift hill coaster, if were using the more accurate blueprint-specificied measurement of 300.9 ft. That makes it a hair bigger than Millennium and I305's drop of 300 ft (which as far as we know are 300.0 ft)


    Drop heights of lift hill coasters (including cable lifts):

    1. Fury - 320 ft

    2. Steel Dragon - 306.8

    3. Leviathan - 306

    4. Orion - 300.9

    T-5th:  Millenium Force - 300

                 Intimidator 305 - 300


    For all coasters:

    1. Kingda Ka - 418 ft

    2. TTD - 400

    3. Red Force - N/A but <400, and probably > 328 (Height is 367.3. The bottom of the drop looks to be about 20-25 ft from the ground)

    4. Superman - 328.1

    5. Fury - 320

    6. Steel Dragon - 306.8

    7. Leviathan - 306

    8. Orion - 300.9

    T-9th Millenium Force - 300

              Intimidator 305 - 300




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  8. While I haven't ridden Georgia Scorcher, it seems to be the best of both worlds in that its much better designed than their first couple of attempts in the Vortexes of Carowinds and CGA, but didn't go overkill on the stats side in the way Riddler's Revenge, Green Lantern/Chang, Mantis did.

    That having said, do I think B&M could build a tolerable/decent "modern" standup rendition if given the opportunity? Probably, if they model after GS and keep the layout miniminalist enough.

    But to me its a matter of opportunity costs more than anything. Something like GS wouldn't be "bad" edition per se, but there are just so many better options to be had, IMO.

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  9. The "Cedar Fair hasn't built record breakers for Kings Island" trope bemuses me like the "Cedar Fair won't build [insert coaster type/model] at KI because its at Cedar Point" argument... when you correct them, its the same counter-response...:)

    Mystic Timbers and Banshee

    "Ok, but besides those..."

    Diamondback, Banshee, Orion

    "Ok, but besides those..."


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  10. On that note, its important to remember that an original manufacturer going out of business rarely poses an issue when it comes to procuring replacement parts if another company inherits their patents (and if there's a market for it, someone almost always does ie. Arrow --> S&S; Morgan --> Chance etc).

    The link that Wikipedia lists is broken, but it is supposedly Oregon Rides Inc. that possesses the rights to Eyerly Craft Company's rides.


  11. Whenever I'm stressed, worn out, and/or its winter and  and am ever-so-anxious for Summer to arrive and all the great things that come with it, I turn to one of my favorite songs of all time...

    The world seems to have stopped on its axis, and we're not even sure at this point if or when our lives will regain some sense of normalcy in the following months, but for about 3 minutes, one can escape that all in this ol' gem: 



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  12. Don't know if I'm the minority on this but I wouldn't mind seeing what Premier could build for the park a third time around.

    Full Throttle polls pretty well despite its shortness. A longer version of that could be our Maverick.

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  13. I just don't see it.

    While its certainly not outside of the the realm of possibility, and would be a welcome addition to the park, I'd say a Dive is more likely.

    While I'm aware there was an 8-year gap between Banshee and Patriot, its relevant mentioning that a floorless somewhere in 2023-2025 would be nearly a 20-year gap between the last one built in the US (Hydra, 2005) and over a 10-year gap worldwide (Nitro, 2013).

    The reason for B&M invert sales stalling would have to do with nearly every park that wants/can afford one already has one.

    There are plenty of parks out there without floorlesses that could afford one, but more (in my opinion) interesting models have surfaced, thus rendering them obsolete.


  14. I've always had a soft spot for the ride. It debuted right around the time I had begun transitioning from then-HBL/Nick Central towards the other areas of the park. My 7-10 year old self thought of it as the "coolest thing". It probably helped that the 2003 Italian Job was one of the first (and still one of my favorite) 'true' action movies I had seen as a kid.

    This, however, also would explain why I've historically been much more favorable of the ride, when to compared to the opinions of other members.

    I also have little recollection of experiencing Coney Mall/Rivertown with the original Les Taxis/Eagles inhabiting that area, as opposed to the (admittedly unsightly) ride that is there now. From my persepctive, the coaster has always been there. So I guess thats why I don't seem to be bothered by the appearance as much.

    For the record, yes, I know. The aesthetics are bad, the placement sucks, should have gone in AZ etc, Taxis/Eagles should not have been removed etc.

    I agree with alll those arguments. The argument/sentiment I DON'T agree with is that it should be removed prematurely (before the end of its natural service life) simply because of it looking bad. I realize there's an irony in this in that the justification given for removal of Taxis/Eagles was that Mr. Fisher thought those looked bad.

    But two wrongs don't make a right! :)

    Backlot is a fun little ride, still one of my favorites, and I hope to enjoy it for as we long as we still can. I suppose I'm in the minority in that I hope it stays quite a bit longer.

    Or at least, consider this for a second...

    For years, decades even, its been said if there's one ride that Cedar Point is really missing, its a really good, modern, family coaster. Meanwhile, we already HAVE that perfectly good family coaster, and yet you hear countless clamors for its removal! What a world...

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  15. On 2/17/2020 at 3:11 PM, coaster sally said:

    Inversions are not in anymore.

    Can't say I see it that way, if anything I'd argue the opposite - that they've made sort of a comeback over the last 10 years, relative to the 90s and 00s when it seemingly was at the top of every park's bucket list to get their (usually non-looping) hypercoaster.

    As for what I think would be a great replacement for Vortex, I consider these things:

    - We want to gain inversions back

    - Could use a vertical drop coaster

    - Floorless trains will always be a nice/marketable gimmick

    - And lastly, we want this to rival the aesthetics that Vortex brought to the area


    A B&M dive checks off all these boxes. Not to mention, it would fit easily into the plot and just might be within the price range/timetable to be had by 2023.

    Yes, I'm aware that corporate has said they plan to "slow down" coaster installations in the coming years, however one could say its an extenuating circumstance that they probably don't want Vortex going unreplaced for too long.


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  16. I'm thinking KD's choice to go with a wing coaster might indicate that they want their next next coaster to be as different as possible from their other B&M looper (Dominator - floorless).

    Conversely, this is why I think B&M dive makes the most sense for KI, in that it'd differentiate from Banshee more than a wing would.

    As much as I enjoy Floorless coasters (and I even like Rougarou), I think I like Dives even more, and it would cross off the 90 degree box the park is missing, and potentially tack on another 200 ft+ coaster.

    Most dives have floorless trains anyway, so you'd have two marketable gimmicks in one.

    (Note: I don't say "gimmick" in a pejorative sense here. I think both floorless trains and vertical drops are actually just really fun elements)

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  17. On 11/8/2019 at 10:40 PM, chuck norris said:

    If they go dive, they should commit and stick B&M

    I'd have to agree with this. As intriguing as it'd be to see a Gerstlauer come to the park, even if just to change it up a bit, I also think it'd be best just go with B&M for the dive.

    It'd fill the space better, be about 50% higher capacity than an Infinity, and probably, would just be a better ride anyway.

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  18. I should have clarified. It was Superman at SFGAdv.

    While I would admit Tatsu, Manta, and their flyers overseas look to be great rides (and probably are superior to three flying dutchmen), I still just don't think I would want a B&M flyer at KI, for the simple reason of the fly-to-lie configuration.  One of the most uncormfortable experiences I've ever had on a ride. Once, I got stuck on the brake run for a good 10 minutes at SFGAdv, felt like I was going to pass out

    Meanwhile, I never had any problem with Vekoma's lie-to-fly. I guess I'm in the minority on that. I'll take the risk of a sunburn over all the blood rushing to my head...

    Yes, Nighthawk is very rough (I've heard/read), but I always found Firehawk to be smooth. Batwing, I've heard mixed things reagarding its smoothness...

    All I'm saying is that the one Vekoma Flyer (Firehawk) I found to be much more enjoyable than the one B&M flyer (Superman) I've ridden.


    B&M flyers are better capacity than Vekoma's, but still not nearly as good as B&M Dives, Wings, Floorless etc They also seem to have a fair amount of downtime as well (although perhaps still not as much as Vekoma flyers)

    If a custom B&M flyer were to come KI, or another CF park sometime in the future, I suppose it would be a welcome addition, but holistically speaking there are just so much better options to be had IMO.


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