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  1. On 9/25/2018 at 4:33 PM, homestar92 said:

    If we extrapolate from existing data points, probably a Haunt maze that will be painfully visible from the main midway all season long.

    Though it does have a large station. You could build a pretty darn good haunt maze in there.

    KI will be solidifying their legacy as the "defunct-ride-turned-permanent-haunted-maze-structure" Capital of the World!...

    The Smurf Ride (CarnEVIL), Action Theater (Urgent Scare), Son of Beast (Wolf Pack), Crypt (Madame Fatale), and now Firehawk (maybe alien-themed to complement FOF)...let me know if I've missed any...

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    1 hour ago, Maverick44 said:

    You are problem right. I would like to see it on the actual point of Cedar Point lol. So this leaked info about B&M 2020. Couldn't that also mean construction could start at the end of 2020 for a 2021 opening? I think CP gets the 2020 coaster / rides.

    Cedar Point got three new large coasters over the past five years.

    KD got Twisted Timbers this year.

    CW and Carowinds getting something for 2019.

    2020 is KI's year, without question IMO (and as noted above, the documents specify at as much).

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  3. 2 hours ago, silver2005 said:

    Just for re-clarification- S&S still makes Arrow parts since they absorbed them, yes?

    Undoubtedly. Yet another reason (among many) why all three KI Arrow coasters (contrary to some belief), are among the rides FURTHEST from the chopping block in the forseeable future, baring metal fatigue. 

    On 6/12/2010 at 10:01 PM, The Interpreter said:

    And even in the case of Arrow, S & S will happily sell almost any part...

    http://www.s-spower.com/coasters.php

     

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  4. On 2/9/2005 at 5:11 PM, Jasper said:

    I think SOB would be alright going backwards. it would be a lot more rougher. I think SOB is just fine but I was just thinking what if.....

    The chiropractic industry around Greater Cincinnati would have been booming!

  5. On 9/22/2018 at 12:03 AM, GavPenn said:

    My guess is the removal of eXtreme Skyflyer. They could be using this space for the B&M, if they use the old S.O.B. station. Kind of how millennium force does at the end. Or even a splashdown like Diamondback.

    As long as Skyflyer is profitable (along with SlingShot), that thing isn't going anywhere...Relocated to somewhere else in the park if absolutely necessary, but certainly not removed..

    11 hours ago, MaestroJr said:

    Has anybody else thought of The Bat leaving? It just doesn't seem like it ever is busy and even with The Bat theme is in shambles compared to its 1990s Top Gun self. I feel like it takes up some nice space as well for something to be built back there in Action Zone. 

    I can not stress this enough...

    http_%2F%2Fbelle.zzxc.net%2Ffun%2Fki-ride-records-2014.jpg

    I do not care how many times you see any of the Arrow coasters being walk-ons, Vortex, AE, and The Bat, are among the best capacity attractions in the park. :)

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  6. 2 hours ago, fyrfyter said:

    Here’s what concerns me about this list. Vortex lost 60k riders per year. Extrapolate that out another 4 years. That puts it down another 240k riders. That puts its annual ridership around 760k. That’s a problem for a large expensive coaster. It’s on par with Firehawk and BLST.

    Even if it does fall to the number you extrapolated, I don't think the total yearly operating cost of Vortex divided by the number of rides it gives would be high enough to justify its removal...

    Vortex is large, but I don't think its operating cost is very expensive.

    SFMM will have 20 coasters next year, and as far as I know there's no sign of Viper being removed anytime soon.

    EDIT: I just looked up VIPER and it apparently has been closed indefinitely without any reason given by the park...:huh:

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  7. 3 hours ago, fryoj said:

    Yeah, with the placement of the antique cars and them taking up half the midway, the DA location for the Giga was compromised and left some complications about where to put the station. This would clear that up quite a bit. 

    Of course, this does at least make you have to consider that maybe it's not going to be a giga afterall. Removal of an inverting coaster could lead to the addition of another inverting coaster. I'm still firmly in camp giga, but this would at drop the odds to at least 90-10. 

    If this means anything... KI without Firehawk would still have 4 "hanging coasters", so I don't we'd be getting another one...

    2 minutes ago, BuckeyeBond said:

    I’d be very surprised to see KI remove a Vekoma Flying Dutchman for a  B&M Flyer. To me it makes zero sense to remove a Flyer just to add a Flyer. Although more reliable B&M flyers also have crap capacity.

    And from my experiences on Superman: Ultimate Flight at SFGAd, they're not even that reliable!    *for a B&M*...

    30 minutes ago, kirbias1 said:

    Firehawk makes more sense because that is where the alleged 2020 coaster is probably going to go. It leaves that whole area towards DA and back behind Banshee open to go wherever. Just hope they don't us Firehawk's blah station.

    IMO Firehawk is in a location that wouldn't really get in the way of a giga, or at least, I don't think it would. It's a good amount of track condensed into a relatively small footprint.

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  8. Ok after thinking through this some more, I am starting to think that this could be WS instead.

    Firehawk is not really something that anyone could consider "big" by coaster standards.

    And the use of the word "air"....

    Wind - air - wind - air - wind - air - wind - air...

    Who knows?...we'll just have to wait and find out.

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  9. 3 minutes ago, fyrfyter said:

    Never say never. If it’s not popular, the point is moot.

    Remember now, lines don't necessarily indicate ridership ;)

    On 9/19/2018 at 6:06 PM, SonofBaconator said:

    These are old numbers that @malem had posted a while ago. If you go by the numbers of 2014, Vortex is the 5th most ride at the park with a ridership of a little over a million- compare that to Firehawk which has nearly half of Vortex's ridership. I wonder if capacity would improve on Firehawk if they shaded the break run and only used one side of the station.

    http_%2F%2Fbelle.zzxc.net%2Ffun%2Fki-ride-records-2014.jpg

     

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  10. "The air is eerily calm"...

    I don't know about you, but to me that phrase basically confirms this is about Firehawk...Obviously we won't definitely know until then...but to me that pretty much spells the end for one of the 3 Flying Dutchmans ever made.

    I fully understand the reasons for it leaving, and understand why it should go, but I can't help but to be truly saddened by this. I was 9 when it came to KI. I basically grew up with this coaster, and even though its bad capacity made it hard to get on, when I did, I really loved it.

    Assuming this is true...

    'Twill be missed...

    -_-

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  11. Personally, I literally can not speak on whether or not there has been a trend in declining/inclining quality of the Haunts/FearFest through the years....

    As, there is one HUGE confounding factor...

    Age. :)

    The first time I went to FearFest in 2006 (8 yrs old), I was horrified and thought everyone was done extremely over-the-top....

    By 2012....   'meh' (for obvious reasons)

  12. I do not know the exact numbers with regards to Vortex's ridership over the past few years (but I do know that lines DON'T necessarily indicate ridership - Vortex is a people-eater remember!)

    Aside from ridership, I would say the three most important factors a park considers when assessing the value of a ride is Safety, Reliability, and Capacity (in that order).

    Vortex, along with the two other Arrow coasters in the park, passes those tests with flying colors (no pun intended). Therefore, if that is to mean anything, I would say Vortex is relatively safe from the chopping block right now...

    Very rarely do parks remove rides for the sake of putting something else there (I recall Mr. Helbig saying had SOB not been removed, Banshee simply would've gone into a different area of the park).

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    While Vortex just misses out on my top 10 coasters at KI (#11), that's most certainly NOT because I dislike it, to use @VortexBFForever's philosophy, I just happen to like 10 other coasters better.

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    BeastForever, who has not experienced an ounce of headbanging on Vortex in nearly a decade.

    Why? I "grew out" of that problem LONG ago.

    Headbanging? What is this headbanging everyone speaks of?  :D 

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  13. 21 hours ago, nicescoot said:

    I've heard things about the parts through the rumor mill so it may not actually be true. The people who told me said its because of how few flying dutchmans are even left. I agree that it is still popular though. I enjoy riding it when I decide to wait for it. They would have to draw the line eventually though if the upkeep gets to be too much even if it is still somewhat popular. Part of how its rarely a walk on though is because it doesn't really pump out capacity like the other coasters in the park

    There were only 3 flying dutchmans ever made, and they're all still operating... 

    - Firehawk, Nighthawk at Carowinds, and Batwing at Six Flags America (however Batwing does happen to down at the moment due to waiting for replacement parts)

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    The second thing I put in boldface is true though. While I do believe Firehawk is still popular enough to justify its existence, its important to remember that lines don't necessarily indicate ridership (See Banshee)...

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      20 hours ago, super7 said:

    These are rides that need to go and be replaced
    Congo Falls
    Vortex (replace with B&M floorless)
    Stuntcoaster (its hideous, low capacity, and did I mention its ugly in the middle of the park?)
    Invertigo
    Boo Blasters (it was done soooooooo cheaply, even when it was Scooby Doo.  Enchanted Voyage and Phantom Theatre were excellent dark rides)
    The skycoaster and the vertical launch upcharge (for same reason as Stuntcoaster, they are hideous!)

    -As much as I dislike Invertigo, as far I know there's nothing wrong with it from a maintenance perspective, and it takes up very little space that could be used for something (its practically hanging right over the picnic area, in the most remote location of Action Zone

    - No matter hideous you might think the upcharge attractions, those bring in a good chunk of money, and as long as they continue to do so, those things aren't going anywhere...

  14. To echo what @upstop said, I think if/when Vortex finally has to go (hopefully that's still a while from now), some type of 90 degree drop coaster, whether it be a B&M Dive Machine or a Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter, would fit it's footprint perfectly!

    And if they would find a way to "re-re-use" Vortex's station (which as we know used to be the original Bat's) that would be awesome!

    I wonder if a station has ever been used for 3 different coasters throughout its lifespan...

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  15. The double-edged sword of having such a fine collection of wooden coasters is that none of them make great candidates to be RMC'd...

    I sure wish we had a washed-up old woodie like Mean Streak, Hurler, or Colossus lying around.

    RMC is taking every park's trash and turning it into treasure...

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    Alas, KI does not possess any trash.  -_-

  16. ^Ehh I wouldn't say that's too egregious an offense...

    Or at least, it wouldn't be like breaking the 11th Commandment, which to everyone here that doesn't already know....

    THOU SHALL NOT REMOVE Adventure Express!

    There's also, on the 8th day, God made Adventure Express, and He said, "This sacred ride shall be honored and revered for ages to come!"

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  17. FUN FACT:

    Construction for Diamondback officially started October 11, 2007 (https://archive.is/20130128040706/http://kiDiamondback.com/public/latest/blog/index.cfm?entry=badd8f9e-684a-46ba-80d0-a4ced97a1822), with the removal of a single tree near Swan Lake.

    In other words, if this 2020 coaster is to be a Giga, I think "official" construction might be starting sooner than we think...

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    @Hawaiian Coasters 325 For that video you found above, I couldn't help to notice that it said "World's Longest Gigacoaster".

    I found that to be a little funny considering that "World's Longest Giga" would be one and the same with World's Longest Coaster.

    Like saying World's Tallest Strata, World's Fastest Launched Coaster, or....

    World's Roughest TOGO - :D

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  18. Ever since I first rode Skyhawk at CP way back in 2010 I've been wanting so badly for KI to install a Screamin' Swing!

    But honestly, we've been in desperate need of some major flats ever since the deterioration/demise of TR/Crypt.

    The Drop Tower/Delirium/WindSeeker trio is just not enough!

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