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  1. 2 hours ago, terry wass said:

    chaperone policy enter stage right. The only parks with issues are those near urban areas with public transportation systems. Never have seen much as far unaccompanied minors causing problems at CP, however have seen it at KI. If these parks want to make $$ and become a family destination for vacations they may have to make some hard choices.

    Six Flags Great America is an hour's drive away from both downtown Chicago and downtown Milwaukee and doesn't really connect to either of their transit systems (Chicago maybe has a bus that runs to Gurnee, but it's about as useful and frequent as the one running from Cinci to Kings Island). Gurnee is pretty close to Kenosha, which has been the site of some recent political unrest. But that was an extenuating circumstance and I don't even think the park was open when that was going on.

    The problem isn't so much a class thing as some have suggested in comments on articles like this as it is an uninvolved parents thing. Kids from wealthy families and kids from poorer families are both going to turn into little jerks if they have the kinds of parents who will just drop them off at the theme park frequently to be rid of them for a day. Now, there is some correlation to involvedness of parents and class just because obviously married single-income families are better equipped to spend time raising their kids, but the married single-income family is an incredibly rare thing even in the upper levels of middle class.

    Additionally, the chaperone policy equally prices people out. You either pay more for your kids' passes which costs more money, or you have to buy passes for mom and/or dad, which costs more money AND requires them to spend their time accompanying their kids to the park. So you either increase the cost or you increase both cost AND hassle. Raising prices is the better solution for everyone. Especially that sweet, sweet "one visit a year but we bring two kids and buy one of everything" demographic that theme parks LOVE.

  2. 15 hours ago, disco2000 said:

    And @BoddaH1994 makes a good point, even for the parks that don't have Prestige, they should be able to print a single use front of the line pass for Prestige+ passholders visiting the park.  But even so, one would expect to at least get that at the parks that do have the Prestige program.

    The problem with this is that training will not stick if it relates to a program that will be used so rarely. When I was at Valleyfair, the employee at one of the stores commented "ooh, a Platinum Pass" when I scanned my pass for the discount and said that mine was only like the third she'd seen all year (probably because there are no Cedar Fair parks particularly close to that one so locals certainly won't buy Platinum very often). If employees at the smaller more distant parks rarely see platinums, Prestige+ will be even more rare and you can expect a hard time getting them to give you a promo that was probably mentioned one time in their first week of employment, if at all.

    Heck, my first visit to Valleyfair I bought Fast Lane and I asked which rides required Fast Lane Plus (not realizing that all FUN parks didn't have FLP) and she literally said "what's Fast Lane Plus?"

    If the Valleyfair people don't know what Fast Lane Plus is and rarely see platinum passes, you can't expect them to know about the front-of-the-line pass when the extremely rare Prestige+ passholder shows up.

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  3. As a big, big Whizzer fan, this looks like it perfectly captures the essence of the old Schwarzkopf model on which it's based. Very cool addition. If not for the fact that the park's closure is already planned, I would say that this would be an awesome addition to California's Great America too, especially since there's not anything of note in the spot that once housed their Whizzer.

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  4. 6 hours ago, disco2000 said:

    ^and hope they limit the quantity or you still may be back to Racer using your front of the line pass their lol.

    You get one per visit. I really don't think it will affect the length of Fast Lane lines much at all. First off, only Prestige Pass holders get the perk. Second they get to use it on only one ride per visit. Once they've chosen their one, it's gone until tomorrow. So you're only adding the Prestige Pass people to the Fast Lane queue, you're spreading them out amongst all of the Fast Lane rides, and once they've used their one and only skip, they're out of the pool. The effect on the length of Fast Lane lines will be negligible at best. MAYBE one additional cycle if you are very, VERY unlucky.

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  5. So at first I was like "who's this for"?

    But then I realized, most of my visits are just a quick little one-hour or less visit after work, where I grab a meal and maybe catch a ride. But that means I ride almost exclusively rides like Racer, Adventure Express, The Bat. Things that rarely have any line at all on weekdays. But the single skip-the-line pass per visit means that my quick little half hour visits will allow a ride on literally anything I want. So I can maybe ride Backlot or Invertigo more than once a year. Or Flight of Fear. Plus, if the perks are good at every park, I can use my skip-the-line pass during my annual CP visit on Steel Vengeance and buy just a regular Fast Lane because I don't find the other Fast Lane Plus rides all that appealing (especially since most are part of ERT already). In the past I just suck it up and stand in line because I don't want to pay for Fast Lane Plue, but regular Fast Lane doesn't feel worthwhile. This changes the equation entirely.

    VIP area is meh, unless they are significantly better than what's offered this year.

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  6. 48 minutes ago, MDMC01 said:

    Not sure, but I was there and they (Berlin) rocked! Didn't plan on going to a concert today (other than Hi-Fi Honey, which was actually the show I was intending to see before heading over to Timberwolf) but someone graciously gave me a free ticket. I was not born yet when these guys had their heyday (I came in to the Flock of Seagulls starting their last song, "I Ran" with "Anyone remember 1982?" and I was thinking "I wasn't even born yet!" :lol:), but I rocked out just the same. I really liked their song "Animal", not for the lyrics, but the music - the techno/synth reminded me of Blood Drums ("Savage") and old Skillet and I loved it! It was a pretty good show, but they ended with "Highway to Hell" and that rubbed me the wrong way. Otherwise, they rocked! It also helped that I was able to sit with some people I knew - I ended up meeting with two people from my church, so that was great to see them. Also, fun fact, that was my first big-name concert since 2019!

    Speaking of church, hoping to go see Skillet at the park in a few weeks. I don't know a ton of their super new stuff (I only have their first CD up to 2013's Rise), but I love their old stuff. I would be so happy if they did any of the following older songs (which they probably won't, they just released Dominion this year): "I Can", "Gasoline", "Saturn", "Paint" (from their first album), "Locked in a Cage", "Take", "Whirlwind", "Dive over In", "Scarecrow" (from Hey You, I love your soul), "You take my rights away", "I trust you" (from Invincible (2000)), "Earth Invasion", "Kill Me Heal me" or "Stronger" (from Alien Youth). Despite that probably not happening (unless they pulled out "Saturn" or "You are my Hope" for old times sake), I know I'll enjoy whatever they play as they've always put on a great live show.

    I've seen many, many Skillet shows and I'm pretty comfortable saying that the oldest songs you'll hear will be from the Comatose album. The last time I heard anything older was at a show in 2015 in which they played a single song from Collide (Forsaken specifically)

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  7. 46 minutes ago, DoomPlague said:

    That's very much up to the owner, the City of Gilroy. Chances are this won't affect them except maybe they purchase a small ride or two. Or maybe CF can donate a ride as a tax write off? The park runs as a 501c3 non-profit. *shrugs*

    A big part of their marketing though is that your Great America pass gets you in the gate, which is something many people in the area will already have. With that benefit being gone, Gilroy has more incentive to entertain offers from other park operators. Regardless, there's no reason to believe the park will cease to exist - new management is certainly possible. To be honest, I'm not even sure how much money operating that park brings Cedar Fair. They certainly don't talk much about it.

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  8. Personally, I hope Six Flags reaches out to them. We all laugh at Six Flags a lot, but Six Flags Great America in particular has made great efforts to preserve the history of their park and other regional parks. I would really love to see the Skyride return to Six Flags Great America and the carousel become a parts donor for theirs to make sure that at least one of them exists as long as possible.

    If, somehow, they still own any spare parts at all for Whizzer, I desperately hope those wind up with the other Great America.

  9. 33 minutes ago, New Horizons said:

    The only thing I can think of is KI renaming Woodstock express back to beastie. I’ve been wanting that forever .

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    That is what I was getting at.

    Cedar Fair has never, to my recollection, ever referred to a ride by an outdated name on any official channels. The only context I've ever seen them use an old name is in a little historical blurb to the effect of "Invertigo opened in 1998 under the name Face/Off". To see an outdated name on official merchandise is basically unheard of. Either they are breaking from their usual norms and using the name Beastie since so many people still call it that anyway, or the name "Beastie" will no longer be outdated in a few months.

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  10. 8 minutes ago, New Horizons said:

    I’ve looked and tried to figure out what you are referring to being out of place but I can’t figure it out for the life of me. Seems normal to me at least

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    I will give one more hint.

    When I used the phrase "out of character", it may have had more than one meaning. What they did was fairly odd, by Cedar Fair standards.

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  11. Kings Island has launched some neat new merch on their online store:


    This is a pretty regular occurrence. Not normally worthy of a topic here on KIC. But, of note is that there are at least two things about the new merch that are out of character. One is a semi-official acknowledgement of the Son of Beast station's continued existence in the photos for the GPS coordinate signs. This is definitely not a hint or a teaser, just something unusual that made me smile.

    There is another piece among the collection that is particularly interesting. In the name of keeping things fun and interesting, I will only mention that one of them has something extremely... out of character... and I speculate that it may, perhaps, be an accidental (or maybe not so accidental) spoiler of a 50th anniversary plan. See if you guys can figure it out. The only hint I will give comes from an old Sesame Street classic:


  12. On 10/1/2020 at 5:47 PM, Vortex1987 said:

    That $200 doesnt mean much to me. I dont care. Im happy i finally get my peice of Vortex. Finally. Its completely worth it to me. 

    The way I see it, I can always make more money. There are only so many pieces of my all-time favorite ride and once they're gone, there will never be any more. I realize that I am more fortunate than some to be in this position (and I PROMISE this isn't meant to be braggadocious) but I would have been willing to pay essentially any price they asked, even if it meant spending the entire pile of cash I have sitting in my bank account for a PS5. My track slice will become my most cherished worldly possession and will likely keep that title for many, many years or even decades to come.

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  13. On 7/6/2020 at 5:06 PM, disco2000 said:


    We hear a lot about these masks don't protect you and are to prevent the spread and you are doing it to protect others.  That is true, but it is also providing some level of protection to the wearer regardless of which face covering. 

    Directly from the FDA websiteIf worn properly, a surgical mask is meant to help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain germs (viruses and bacteria), keeping it from reaching your mouth and nose. Surgical masks may also help reduce exposure of your saliva and respiratory secretions to others. I find it interesting that the FDA states first that they protect you and then follow-up with it protects others, whereas all recent covid stuff is putting a "spin" on it that we are wearing masks to protect others and many will say they do not protect the wearer...

    I would think that if a mask can generally stop most of what is coming OUT from a 10mph sneeze, then certainly if you are wearing a mask it would have to provide some level of protection to the wearer as well from some random floating covid blob in the air getting IN...now what the level of protection is not known, but I will take my chances that a mask does provide me as a wearer some level of protection as well, along with good hygiene habits.  

    A big issue is they probably cannot market and promote the masks as protecting the wearer that way because of the litigious society we live in - they cannot guarantee it will protect you, so they disclaimer it like the picture someone posted earlier.

    It is just like bullet-proof vests are not really bullet-proof.   The reality is that they’re actually bullet resistant. The reality is that bullet resistant vests don’t protect the wearer from every threat. Nothing is bulletproof, not even a manhole cover. In extremely minute percentage of cases, a bullet can get through a vest that’s been rated to stop them. The bullet could have a serrated edge or something similar to it.  So does that mean law enforcement personnel shouldn't wear these vests?  No, because it still can provide some protection.  But those vests will have disclaimers all over them.  Same with face masks...

    I realize this is an older post, but another reason for the warnings about "not protecting the wearer" is pretty straightforward (other than putting that warning on there as a C.Y.A. to prevent litigation of course).

    There are three known points of ingress for viruses that spread via respiratory droplets: nose, mouth, and eyes. Masks only cover two of these three, so one point of ingress is still exposed. However, there are only TWO points of egress: mouth and nose. Both of these are covered. So a mask will successfully block particles at all points of egress but only at two of the three points of ingress. For this reason, even the best mask in the world that filters 100% of respiratory droplets can never PERFECTLY protect the wearer, even if they never touch their face. However, this theoretical perfect mask could completely prevent an infected person from spreading the virus. This is one (of many) reasons why in a situation where only one of the two parties is wearing a mask, the virus spreads less easily if the infected party is the one wearing it. Of course, if both parties are wearing even a mask that is just okay and are good about never touching their face without washing their hands first, the odds of any disease spreading between them become astronomically small. Smaller still if they are standing several feet apart.

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  14. Keep in mind that these are all the rides from the Orion teaser campaign and at the time of that campaign, Vortex was still in operation as well.

    These are just the rides they decided to implement in the "themeing" for Orion. I wouldn't use it as a sign that something else is going away. One of the rides in there was never even at KI.

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  15. 13 hours ago, BeastForever said:

    If the seating assignments go the way that I'm thinking (every other), wouldn't there be 3 non-wheel seats?

    2-2, 4-2, and 6-2?

    Or are they designating 6-3 in order to accommodate backseat requests? (despite 6-2 being the better seat all things considered)

    On the rides where there are an even number of rows, they are skipping one extra row somewhere near the middle of the train so that the front and back seats are both available. I may be wrong and there may still be three available (if so, the one I'm missing would be 5-2) but they are not using a simple "every other row" system.

    The one exception to this rule that I've observed is The Bat, which seats only in odd numbered rows. But really that's no loss since nobody over 5'9" would want to sit in a back seat in an Arrow train.

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  16. 17 minutes ago, King Ding Dong said:

    So they don’t have any drink refill stations open on 90+F days?  

    The only drink stations that I observed being closed were the Freestyle machines. The refill stations in Planet Snoopy and Tower Drinks were both open.

  17. Those masks do not protect the wearer from any virus. Nobody has ever claimed that they do. If you think that the purpose of wearing a mask is to protect you, the wearer, then again, you are demonstrating that you've missed the entire point. They protect the other people around you. They can stop you from expelling droplets. They cannot stop you from touching a contaminated surface and then touching your face, thus, the warning on the box is accurate, but not relevant to the conversation that anybody is actually having.

    But do go on believing that they don't do anything. You might want to inform all the surgeons of the world that they've been doing their job incorrectly for several decades, though since medical professionals universally wear exactly that style of mask during their procedures.

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  18. 50 minutes ago, CedarIslander said:

    Those of you that are adamant on mask wearing, I have a few questions for you...

    1. After you put your mask on, do you touch it, even just once?

    2. Do you ever wear it just below the nose?

    3. (For men) Do you have any facial hair? 


    If you answered yes to any of these, your mask is rendered completely useless. Don't preach to me about wearing a mask, when you can't wear one properly. 



    1. Not ideal, but it really doesn't render the mask useless as the purpose of a mask is to reduce the travel of respiratory droplets. It doesn't cease being able to do that the instant it's touched. What happens when you touch your mask is that your hands may become contaminated, however, the moment you wash or sanitize your hands, it's effectively as if you never touched your mask at all.

    2. Obviously that's not ideal, but it still effectively stops respiratory droplets that exit via the mouth in this situation, and becomes completely effective once again the instant it's placed back above the nose. For sure, doing this reduces a mask's effectiveness, but it doesn't reduce it to zero and it certainly doesn't reduce it permanently. Not even close.

    3. This is only relevant for N95 masks, which are only meant to be used in contaminated environments and are meant to protect the wearer, not the individuals around them. Surgical-style or cloth masks are meant to protect others around you. If someone is out and about wearing an N95 mask, they are likely wearing it wrong anyway as they have to be properly fitted and by choosing to wear an N95 mask, they are also demonstrating that they missed the entire point of wearing a mask in public.

    The purpose of a mask is not to stop the virus from getting through but rather to stop the transmission of respiratory droplets. However, since the virus travels predominately via respiratory droplets, the end result is that stopping the transmission of the droplets almost entirely eliminates transmission of the virus.

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