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  1. I hope they never change the essence of the front entrance to the park.  Updates, for sure, new restaurant/ticket counters/customer service/entry ques....absolutely.  Essence - leave it like it is.

    What is this Essence that I'm talking about?  Its about the slow gradual incline from the parking lot up to the front entry plaza.  I could do w/o the security aspect cluttering things up, but its the reality we have to live with, and as such, I actually think they have placed the security clearances fairly well.  Anhoo, back to the point.... the slow walk up the inclined entry, sure you see the tower, you see some rides, you hear some going, but you don't really get a feel for the park.  You proceed to the ticket counter if needed, or straight for the pass/ticket scanners.  Now the ground is relatively flat, its relatively quit and its absolutely shady.  You can hear the excitement in the air, but if you've never been you don't get a sense for what is about to hit you.  As you proceed into the park, you get the 180 flip from shaded cover to full sun.  You get the full view of the tower, the sounds of the fountains, the smell of the baked goods, food and sweets.  It all combines in a flash to hit you like a ton of bricks and lets you know that you've arrived somewhere special.  Above all else, the essence of the front entry they nailed.  I have never been to an amusement park that nails it quite like Kings Island has nailed their front entrance.  Disneyworld is pretty solid with the castle in view, but you don't get the rush of fountains that makes KI's better.   I haven't been to as many amusement parks as others, but in my mind, they couldn't have done it any better.  Sure the building/restaurant could use a face lift/update as mentioned earlier, but the feel, the smells, the sounds as you step into the open area is as good a feeling as you can find.

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  2. After reading some of the recent comments here, are Sundays the new Wednesdays at KI?  Went after church yesterday, expecting it to be fairly crowded but hoping the early morning rain (that happened before most woke up) might lessen things a bit.  Got to the park around 10:30 and lines at the parking lot were light, got a spot up fairly close.  Got into the park shortly before 11:00, got my youngest son measured (oh so close to 48") while the wife and oldest son went to ride Orion.  Shortly after getting him measured (or perhaps while he was getting his band) they had rope drop so we walked back to Planet Snoopy.  0 wait for FAAC, my son and daughter got front row, I got second and I think there were 2-4 other people on the train.  Jumped over to woodstock express and again a station wait.  By the time we were done, my 2 youngest wanted to ride it again, so I had them get in line and I was texting with my wife who was off of Orion and headed back our way.  Line at Woodstock Express had grown to a 3-4 train wait as parents and their kids started getting there, nothing terrible but my wife was at WE before my kids even got on again.  Daughter wanted to ride Mystic Timbers for the first time (she's finally braving up a bit) so we headed there while my wife and youngest son did the peanut 500.  Mystic at 0 line, got front row seats with my daughter on her first ride.  As we got off, my wife meet us there and rode with her for her second ride and again it was station wait.

    Two youngest wanted to do WWC, so I took them there kinda expecting some sort of line with the hot humid weather, nope, they were sending out empty boats.  Wife and oldest son rode The Beast with maybe a 5-10 min wait.

    Next was Stunt coaster, with about a 10 min wait, lunch, then Racers with a station wait (twice).  Banshee was maybe 5 minutes.  Congo falls was a station wait, Viking Fury the same.  Back to Planet Snoopy and the Pumpkin coaster was a 10 min wait, Beastie was down to a 5 min wait, maybe less and nobody was in line for boo blasters (seemed darker in there, and odd that they had no line separator, not that you really needed one).

    Super fun day, got in way more rides than I ever would anticipate.  Think my daughter is ready to do The Bat next time, and The Beast.  She's growing confidence on coasters that she didn't have even a few months ago.  Racers were waaaaaayyyyyyy to big in May, now they look tiny :)  I think she realizes that once her younger brother hits 48" he's gonna want to ride everything that opens up to him.


    Oh, one other thought, when we were at CP a couple of weeks ago, I took notice, and appreciation for the old ride height signs that Melt had in on display.  Would love to see those come back as they add a bit of theming for each ride that is unique from the last, plus a good photo opp.

    Approx wait times would be nice as well, not that you needed them yesterday but noticed those aren't even shown on the rides we were on.


    I've never been there, but found this extended clip to gt a sense for the park.  One thing I noticed, was there didn't appear to be an abundance of life gaurds stationed.  Maybe saw one in the whole video.  Certainly its possible there were plenty there off camera, but just seems like there is a lack of life gaurd stations to even stage them and keep an eye on everything.  Having just been to Cedar Pointe's water park, there are life gaurds everywhere that people can get in the water.  Lazy river?  One is never out of site and often there are 2 or more in site (and clearly they are trainied to have their eyes constantly scanning the river).  Same story in the wave pool, seemed like there were always 12 or more on duty, didn't count by they had many stationed on each side of the wave pool.  Multiple guards at the top of each ride, multiple guards at the bottom.

    Are life jackets mandatory?  Seems like from a liability standpoint, they should be at that park.  Don't know how deep the water is, but gotta figure its at least 10 feet deep in several areas where they are jumping off of large "cliffs".  Tragic to here that anyone died, I wonder what lead up to the incident.  Was she a good swimmer?  Hit her head on something where she feel too far down due to not having a life jacket on.  Get caught under a float?  How many life guards were stationed?  Lots of questions to be asked.

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  4. I was at CP last week.  though a vast majority of the general public has no idea who makes what coaster...for those that do would have seen Gate Keeper testing on Tuesday (but no guest ever were on that I saw) and listed as down on Thursday (not sure about Wednesday we were in the water park.)  Meanwhile, Dragster was down both tuesday and wednesday (obviously visible from the water park) and testing about noonish on tuesday then giving rides 30 min or so later.  At the other end of the park, on both Tuesday and thursday (and from what I observed on Wednesday while walking from our cabin to the waterpark) Steel Vengance was late to open.  3 rides, 3 different manufacturers, none running full steam all day, every day.


    Maverick was a ton of fun...something like that in Vortex's space would be well received.  Not sure about the maintenance on that vs other intamen's but a fun ride none the less.  Seemed to be running (sans rain delays) all day both Tuesday and Thursday (and presumably Wednesday).  Back to my 1st point however, the general public isn't going to care who makes the ride, so long as its fun and reliable.  A mack multi launch would be equally well received, and given CF's history with Intamen, a more likely addition.  I'm guessing if one were built at KI, you'd overhear more than once someone in line telling someone else "yeah, this is just like Maverick up at Cedar Point"

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  5. Some questions about Cedar Point,


    Took the kids there this past week, it had been roughly 15 years since I last visited that park.  Kids loved it, many great experiences, but there were a few that left me scratching my head a bit.

    First day, there were some early morning rain and storms in the area that had a bunch of rids down (never rained too hard in the park so we just sat under some table umbrellas and waited it out.  We were just outside of MF, right next to the lift hills for Iron Dragon and Ragouru (or however that is spelled).  Ragouru started running so my wife and son jumped on.  Fairly quick turnaround once things got going, however, right next to it, Iron Dragon was sitting on the lift hill not cycling or testing or anything.  Didn't think too much about it, but eventually came back.  My daughter, who is shall we say roller coaster hesitant, decided that she would brave Iron Dragon.  Line was 45 min, but to get her on a new ride and help her overcome that fear, that was a small price to pay.  However, they were only cycling 1 train while the 2nd just stood on the side.  Could have trimmed that 45 min wait to 30 or less by running the 2nd train.  Why only run 1?  Wait times were fairly short 2 days later, I assume they were running both, but not sure if running 1 is standard.

    Later, while finishing up lunch, we saw that the app said Steel Vengance was a 30 min wait.  Great, my son and I headed over there.  When we got there, the wait indicator in the front said it was a 60 min wait, in actuality, it took about 90 min.  Meanwhile, the app updated while in line and eventually came up to a 2 hour wait as we were still in the early stages.  Seems like a pretty wide gap, enough not to feel like I could trust the app, is that normal?  SV was well worth the 90 min wait however, what an awesome ride.

    2nd day, we went to the water park.  Kids all enjoyed it, were wiped out by the end, but thought it was interesting that they closed the water park at 6:00.  Is it always that early, or is that a Covid/staffing thing?

    3rd day, my wife and son headed over to wait in line for SV right at the open; we got into the park right around 9:30 and figured waiting in line for it to open would have been the easiest route to ensure my wife got to experience it.  I had the 2 younger kids over by Camp Snoopy and while they were riding the Monster, I noticed at 10:15 or so, a train was still parked on the lift hill for SV.  They eventually started cycyling, but were still running empty trains around 10:30 or so, and eventually had a regular flow of packed trains around 10:45.  Gemini never cycled any trains until 10:30, then stayed closed until around 11:30.  Looking at the app, there were several other coasters that were also listed as "closed" until after 10:30.  Gate keeper tested some on Tuesday (lift chain issues I think I read somewhere), but I never did see it carry any passengers.  Dragster was dead tuesday and wednesday, eventually started testing on Thursday, then started running full trains around 1200 on thursday.  I realize Gate keeper had/has issues with his chain, and dragster is often down, but so many other rides were starting significantly later than 10:00, plus I'm not sure Maverick, which was supposed to be on ERT was open prior to 10:00 either.  Is that Covid-staffing issues, or is that normal?  For a place that likes to pride itself as the Roller Coaster capital of the world, seems like they need more ride open and running as the park fully opens up to guests.

    On the plus side, since my youngest is tall enough to ride pipe scream, we did that on thursday morning, walked over to get in line around 9:55 knowing it wasn't supposed to open for a few more minutes, but the kid working the gate opened things up and started early.   2 youngest enjoyed the frontier trail adventure thing they did on the island, theming and acting were great, but overall it seems like the setup could have been much better; it feels like a forgotten area of the park that has a lot more potential with a little more thought behind the setup.


    And to the question above, they did let someone wait an extra cycle to get front row seats on Maverick so I assume they would do that elsewhere if you ask and are willing to wait.

  6. dollywood?

    While it doesn't have the high end super thrills that CP or KI does, it has an awesome collection of coasters for a young family with kids in the 2-18 range.

    Also, when you average things out, how do the kiddie coasters affect things?  KI has 3 family coasters while CP has 2 and Holiday World has 1?

    I love FAAC and The Beastie, I assume neither made the top 500 because they are what they are, designed for smaller riders 3

  7. Worst decision, SoB and everything involved with it.  From the cheap build, to the boring layout, to the patchwork fixes, the whole dang thing.  Had they waited 5 years, for what they spent they could have had one of the best wooden coasters in the world, to complement its other "one of the best wooden coasters in the world" on the other side of the park.


    Best decisions:  The entrance and layout.

  8. With 2020 being what it is, and 2021 perhaps being another slow year for the industry, I'd be shocked if KI got a major installation prior to 2023, and more likely 2024 or 25.  I assume everything is backed up across the company at best, so things that were originally planned for 2021 elsewhere won't open until 2022, 2022 pushed back to 2023 and on down the line.  At that assumes next year approaches something "normal" which is far from a guarantee at this point.

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  9. On 10/18/2020 at 11:55 AM, FUN&ONLY! said:

    Kings Island definitely tweeted this out knowing the response they would get. I doubt they are planning anything, and they probably just wanted to have some fun with their fans.

    They may or may not have been "just having fun" but certainly they are already in the planning stages for their next major attraction.  Might be another 3-5 years away and not even set in stone, but the planning has certainly begun.

  10. Dragon Flier is a great family invert, aside from the one @ KI, I haven't ridden any others but hard to imagine being much better than Dragon Flier for a family invert.

    With that said, I think something like Fire Chaser express would be a fantastic addition to KI.  KI is lacking in rides that are "thrilling" for the 40" crowd not yet tall enough for the 48" rides (Beast, Racers, Stunt Track, etc...)  IIRC, Fire Chase has a 39" requirement, while FAAC has a 44" high requirement.  I'd love to see 1 more tweener coaster at KI for that 40-44" crowd and their families.  However, there would be no need for a B&M inverted family coaster, FAAC is solid enough for its purpose.

    The 2nd ride I think the park needs, after a tweener coaster, is a great RMC.  Since I don't want any of the current woodies rehabbed, it would have to be a ground up RMC, but again, that's not a B&M.

    So...for purposes of this poll, the 3rd type coaster I'd love to see at KI is a launched wing coaster.  The only wing coaster I've ridden is Wild Eagle.  While I know it doesn't have the greatest forces, I found it to be a ton of fun.  It would fit in well in the new Area 72 at KI down the road, it would also fit in well in Votex's plot, a side swipe where Vortex's batwing used to be would look pretty cool.

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  11. It did not open with one train going backwards, it switched I believe during the time of The Bat failure.  I wouldn't call it a short stint either, I think the backward racer stayed that way for 20 years or so.  Someone will provide the exact timeline.  I loved the backwards racer, always rode The Racer at least twice, once forward, once backwards and often times 3 times in a row, backwards, forwards, and then backwards again before moving on.

    Edit, ran backwards from 1982-2008, so 26 years

  12. 5 minutes ago, Fishely said:

    It’s all about what the ride achieves in it’s time. If rides were only based on their duration, The Beast would be the best coaster in Ohio.

    Are you implying that its not? :angry::)

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  13. Where there is a family restroom there are usually men's/women's restrooms.

    Wonder if that Chaos Labs Building general health associations..... could be the location for that family restroom sign (and hopefully others) though if I had to guess, the Chaos Labs building is the maintenance sheds after a makeover.

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  14. Last summer was the only time I've been to Dollywood, we loved it.  Park had to shut down for a few hours due to thunderstorms (and a downpour) but that helped keep the crowds down a bit and we barely had to wait for anything.  10 min for Lighting Rod was the longest I think.  Beautiful park, pretty good ride selection (especially for younger kids on the Coaster side with Fire Chaser Express).  I think if they added a Hyper it would be about a perfect park.

  15. There is a lot more info missing as well.  As mentioned above, with Casino's opening up, have all employees been tested, ie @ Miami Valley Gaming?  Have all prisoners and gaurds/personal been tested?  Are cases up because there are more tests happening and many of the positive cases are coming out of the prison population and/or the senior retirement centers?  The headline paints one picture, the details may (or may not) paint a different picture.  I'd love to know where specifically these cases are and how they were discovered.

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  16. 35 minutes ago, cdubbs727 said:

    I almost wonder if the best bet would be to start at CP, as in my experience the lines there are longer. But you can benefit by going through the back entrance by Magnum and hitting a lot of the coasters back there before the park even opens (give yourself an edge by staying at a CP hotel the night before and getting in an hour before the GP). I know when I was younger, it was possible to knock out most of the rides at CP before lunch, but they'd added quite a bit since then. 

    In my experience, KI tends to have longer lines in the morning than in the evening (although using FLP, that doesn't really matter, I guess). On a weeknight, particularly late July or early August, KI often has next to no wait times on most their coasters, even without FLP. I think it's doable. But like @King Ding Dong said, traffic is going to be your biggest headache. Going through Dayton area is never fun, and I'm always surprised how much construction there is. 

    But I've seen videos of people who do all the Disney World parks in one day; no reason knocking out all the coasters at KI and CP shouldn't be possible. 

    If you could legit knock out all the rides @ CP by 2:00, then for sure if you got to KI by 6:00 and had FLP you could knock out all the coasters @ KI by 10:00 close.

  17. Its entirely possible, just depends on the crowds.  That is a lot of hustlin though.

    If you got there for early ride time, you could get on Orion around 9:30 (assuming that will be available for early ride time next year) then move to FOF (which is also likely be early ride time next year I'd guess) then Stunt Coaster and The Beast and perhaps have all of those rides knocked out by 10:30.

    From there, lines should be pretty easy.  Racer, Adventure Express would be quick over the Banshee, The Bat and Invertigo.  KI should be done by 12:00 and that is without FP.  Give you half an hour to hit the bathroom and get to your car, would put you at CF @ 4:00.  From there, I don't know how quickly you could get thru the Pointe, crowds would obviously play a big role in that.

    Would be run to try.

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