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KI Guy

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  1. I definitely agree on the trees. As far as intense rides go, I think the great thing about having 10+ roller coasters is that they all don't have to appeal to the entire group of coaster riders. KI has already done this with the family and milder thrill segment, (Adventure Express, Backlot) but hasn't put money into the extreme intensity/forces part of the spectrum at KI (which today I'd say consist of mostly RMC's and Intamin). Just as not every food option is for everyone, I'm ok with not every coaster being for everyone. In the same vane, only a portion of guests go to the waterp
  2. After seeing the site without Vortex on it I was surprised to see how non-flat that plot is. Unless they want to do some serious land leveling, I doubt that a midway would go there. I think it would have to be something like a coaster or log flume. The land doesn't need to be flat for something like that.
  3. ^ My mistake, thank you. *Original post now corrected*
  4. A good point BoddaH. Since Herschend now operates Kentucky Kingdom, we'll see if they can do both. While I obviously love and enjoy KI, I acknowledge that Dollywood offers a premium experience over KI in nearly all aspects except number of thrill rides-- and Dollywood continues to grow on that front. For the additional $80-95 dollars, Dollywood has better passholder discounts, more live entertainment, and more special events. I've always found the landscaping, staff friendliness, and cleanliness phenomenal. KI has some very talented staff as well, but as a group, they just don't seem
  5. In the short term, yes. In the long-term, there's no way, at least under any seasonal amusement park business model we've seen. The overhead with running an amusement park is huge. Lots of labor, lots of utilities, high maintenance /upkeep costs etc and the revenue is seasonal. That means that unless amusement parks are to become something much less accessible to the average person labor costs will have to go down from these high rates in the long-term. What we're seeing now is a a frenzy to get workers just to ensure the business stays alive. $18-20 for seasonal amusement park work wo
  6. They are testing the customers' patience at this point. They cut hours when they have a full green light from the state and said they were fully staffed. If this is going on at other CF parks, they are not acting like a company that has to pay back a billion dollar loan in four years. Herschend- if you want to be a big player, start planning your move.
  7. A Fast Lane system does devalue a season pass or a daily ticket since it will take more time to do the same level of stuff at the park if a Fast Lane exists rather than not. Alternatively guests could do the same amount of stuff, but only if they go on less crowded days. This would devalue the pass/ticket as the passholder wouldn't have as much flexibility on when he or she would want to go to the park. You are correct that the season pass/ticket prices may be higher if FL did not exist, but this also would hurt the daily experience as more people would be buying passes and tickets making
  8. The calculation has been made that the extra revenue from the Fast Lane is worth devaluing the season pass and standard daily ticket. I just hope for their sake that the calculation includes long term potential effects and opportunity costs. How many people are not getting season passes or daily tickets because of the reduced daily experience? If they leave, do they come back? How much more would guests be willing to pay for season passes if the experience were better, (lines went faster without Fast Lane)? Would these guests stay longer and spend more money? Although they
  9. Yes, my mistake. I accidently edited out some of my original wording trying to shorten the post. I meant to say I don't believe anyone working minimum wage ever made it as a sole breadwinner working 40 hours a week (**Edited to correct). A possible difference between you and me is I would be more inclined to say that this person should get a second job, or take on more hours, or at least take on a roommate or two to pool resources and bring down living costs. And this would only be until this person develops more skills or education. Also I used inflation because I was following on
  10. I believe this comes from a good place. I don't want to see people out on the street either. However, here are some points to consider in addition to the one I raised earlier. 1. How do you arrive at $15? Why not $20 or $25? If it's the arbitrary living wage, how do you determine that amount? Different people and households have different needs and spending habits. 2. Realize that whatever increase in low end pay will undoubtedly result in more expensive labor at middle and high income positions. If I'm working a somewhat "skilled" job at $16 an hour and minimum wage shoots up to
  11. ^The issue with this is some jobs do not return 15 dollars an hour in value. If $15 is mandated you will simply see less employees to make up the difference. The game will be changed to keep the doors open on a given business. This is part of the reason I don't like u-scan at Kroger or touchscreen ordering at McDonald's. I think that a job to get started is better than no job at all.
  12. Given how tight the margins are in the amusement park business I wonder if this is sustainable. Could this be a temporary measure to get employees during the pandemic? Good for the employees though. I'm sure they're stoked.
  13. That's truly amazing you had that on hand. Do you collect papers on amusement parks?
  14. My overarching point was that if Cedar Fair and (sometimes Paramount) chose to theme less than possible because they were trying to cater to their particular demographic while keeping to a budget. I agree Paramount definitely had some misses, some of which were not with the theming, but the physical rides themselves. Cedar Fair has been more conservative overall, going with more proven ride concepts. The payoff on this is evident by the fact that there have been no major failures rides-wise (SOB, TR:TR). I would also say Cedar Fair's theming has been more conservative as well. Think
  15. In theory you are correct. The theming outside of Tomb Raider: The Ride (and (almost Outer Limits: Flight of Fear) never approached Disney or Universal level. I think what every KI operator outside of Paramount has known is that the Disney model was not fitting for a regional seasonal amusement park. Sometimes Paramount even seemed to understand that. That's why they would spend so much money on a big thriller like Son of Beast vs something like Splash Mountain. Given the choice between thrills and immersive theming their customer largely leans toward immersive theming. I have a coup
  16. I don't think it matters much. It was a bigger deal for Holiday World when Kentucky Kingdom re-opened vs just changing operators. Most of the people who go to Kentucky Kingdom or Holiday World do so because of proximity. Unless there is a clearly better park that is around the same distance the vast majority of people will go to the one that's closer.
  17. Someone needs to save the Kangaroo. It's the last Flying Coaster (model of flat ride) in the world. Kennywood is a fine park. Over the years they've been able to find a good balance between a classic amusement park of years gone by and modern one. I hope they do not go to far towards the modern and lose what makes them special.
  18. At least from an aesthetics standpoint, The Racer is and was far better. Look up the pictures from when it first opened. Before the Action FX Theater, Flight of Fear, and the loss of the original color scheme, The Racer combined with the grounds around it were unmatched. I think the thrill of the layout was balanced with looks. Old Coney was especially beautiful when it was brand new in 1972.
  19. Unfortunately though they had a lot of old, steel coasters. They all have to come down at some point. I agree with you though that it would be pretty excessive to see three go in three years (with one replacement). Since steel coasters have a limited life and wood coasters have an indefinite life, I'm curious about the lifespan of RMC hybrids. I think that might depend on how much the i-beam track costs to replace. @BeastForever Thank you for your factoid on The Beast and Racer supports. Few would ever guess that.
  20. I don't think expansion should be a focus right now. There are way too many things on developed land that need to be addressed first. If an "expansion " happens it will probably be just a better utilization of the land they've used. Ki has been in a tough position as of late with a lot of their rides getting up there in age and cost. Potential short term Chopping Block: Invertigo Bat Congo Falls Timberwolf Other areas for improvement include a 17 year-old dark ride, an ugly, empty tan box, empty action theater, empty Vortex plot, eyesore of coaster in Backl
  21. I understand what you're saying, but this would just make a lot of people angry. Remember when they tried to make Haunt not included with the Gold Pass? How about the time they wanted to take free parking off the Gold Pass? You can't give someone something for "free" and then start charging for it. If they want additional revenue to invest in the water park, it's best to just raise the season pass and ticket price. I think it's understood that for most people, the park is the draw and Soak City is a nice bonus.
  22. I think park goers both enthusiast and normal, more than anything want something: 1. Enjoyable- This is important because why else would you ride it? 2. Different- This is important because why would you need to go to ride coaster x if it's very similar to coaster y? Orion is a good coaster, probably better than Firehawk or Vortex. However, I don't think Orion is that different than Diamondback in terms of ride experience. I don't think it will be just enthusiasts that say that either. Sometimes casual park fans lump rides together more than enthusiasts. They don't care if B&am
  23. Do you say that because of how the new Antique Cars cut into the Coney midway?
  24. I was surprised by how fun the Swing Around at Darien Lake (Corn Popper) was. It doesn't look like anything special just looking at it. @wabashcr, if you loved Skylab, I'd bet you'd love an Endeavor. It's essentially a Skylab with a great view and dangling feet. The open design limits the risk of nausea common on Skylab type rides. If you make a trip to KK sometime, It's definitely worth a try. I'd put the barrels where the ladder game is in Oktoberfest as I think someone suggested. The Trabant, (or the "face-off" like replacement the Wipe-out) would be a good nod to the old Whe
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