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  1. I never went to Ontario Place much, I lived in Brampton and rarely went downtown. In fact, I can count on one hand how many times I went there. I went once in 1995, then again in 1999, and as a Grade 8 Graduation Trip in 2000. Other than CNE crossovers I did in the late 2000s to watch the airshow from atop of the pods, I never went there since. But on those times I crossed over from the CNE, the place was really starting to look neglected and run down. The CNE is the Canadian National Exhibition, it's kind of like a large state fair which happens in Exhbition Place, the exhibition grounds just on the other side of Lake Shore Blvd. The CNE occurs from about the middle to August to Labor Day, the last 3 days of the CNE, an airshow is held, and it was ideal to watch the airshow from Ontario Place. Admission to either CNE or Ontario Place at that time allowed for you to crossover to the other place for free. As for the Nintendo Power Pod.....very little information on the internet exists about it, but someone else beside me can prove its existence. The Lego Pod existed in 1995, however the Lego area moved to a different spot outside the pods in 1999. This is a video of the Wilderness Adventure Ride in its better days, there's many videos on YouTube of it at least: As for the children's village.....perhaps the most memorable thing was the punching bag forest. But perhaps the most embarrassing story if you ask me was the water slides which no one ever got to ride. The waterslide in the front was to be known as Topsy Turvy, built in the 2011 offseason before the sudden closure in 2012. At least the good news was this ride was relocated to Canada's Wonderland's Splash Works, where the ride is now known as Typhoon. For what it's worth, Ontario Place was trying to improve, but someone upstairs ordered the doors shut. I remember reading an article saying that the justification figures used to close Ontario Place were from a notoriously bad year and that attendance was starting to improve in the final years. Here's the article if anyone's interested. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2012/08/08/secret_ontario_place_documents_tell_a_story_of_success_not_failure.html
  2. Ontario Place was/is adjacent to downtown Toronto, and well if you were to drive straight north without backtracking west on the QEW to reach the 427 to eventually get to the 401, it's a distance of around 27 km or 17 miles. Ontario Place's Marina, as well as the large concert venue, the Molson Amphitheatre (now the Budweiser Stage), and Atlantis pavilions (which used two of the pods at the time) survived the 2012 closure. The cinesphere closed in 2012. The Molson Amphitheatre ended up "stealing" the big shows from Kingswood in Canada's Wonderland in the mid 1990s. Similarly to how Riverbend did the same thing with the Timberwolf Amphitheater. Atlantis has now completely shutdown, it was used for private events I do believe. The Cinesphere CLOSED in 2012, but it reopened as of November 2017 with constant showtimes. During the older days of the CNE, the IMAX documentaries were usually only played in the Cinesphere and not "regular" movies. The Ontario Place grounds are completely free to walk around, although I do believe much of the East Island looks different now. http://ontarioplace.com/en/cinesphere/
  3. Ontario Place.....a government owned amusement park shut its doors out of the blue in February 2012. Since then, what to do with the land it sits on has been up for debate but it's been currently decided on a regular public park of sorts will be on the islands that make up Ontario Place. A portion of this park is open, and learning that the iconic Cinesphere (more on that later) was operating again, and they were playing 2001 A Space Odyssey in the world's first IMAX theatre, well it was a given that I had to see what became of Ontario Place. Below is a map of it's final years as an amusement park: Ontario Place to give a brief history lesson, as I understand was not intended to become an amusement park. The islands were landfilled in order to cheapen the cost of the centerpiece, the five "pods" which float over the water, these pods contained exhibits apparently regarding the history of Ontario. A few years later, a giant play area for kids called the Children's Village opened up on the east island, which was followed by a water park, and I guess the rest was history. But understand the difference, Ontario Place's attraction for the most part appeared to be centered around DOING rather than simply riding. While much of the East Island has been redone with the park (the map is south-up, so the left side of the map is the east island) the west island appears to be in the same state as it was when they closed the doors. The heart of the West Island was three main attractions: The Wilderness Adventure Ride - this was a log flume ride which was themed after Northern Ontario, indeed there was an indoor lift hill partway through the ride with animatronics similar to the final lift hill of Adventure Express at Kings Island Mega Maze - a bunch of silos on the outside were used in this unique attraction as a collection of mazes you walked through, unlike a Halloween Haunt maze, this was an actual maze per se, the guest was given a plastic card to find a dozen or so readers hidden throughout the mazes. This attraction closed a few years before Ontario Place did, in 2009 Motion Ride - While I would call this "Sea Trek", the Sea Trek ride only existed in the 1990s, and I'm going to be brutally honest, the theming of this ride for a generic attraction was very good. The only other ride that had similar theming in my opinion was Tomb Raider at Kings Island. Very little exists on the internet about this ride, but I can find a Hamilton, ON news story speaking about this ride when it opened: I believe they changed the ride in the 2000s a few times, but I never rode it then. So it's unclear if the theming was as strong for the subsequent motion rides. Here's the current state of Adventure Wilderness Ride.....no water to be found at all of course: The ride's station is below, now a bunch of picnic tables This was the beginning of the ride upon leaving the station: Below were one of the walkways that connected the megamaze silos together, back in the day these were covered over, and it never felt like you went outside. I never did get to explore the East Island, but even seeing the state of the water slides a few years ago is sad stuff. The slides have been removed, but that tower in the background still stands for now. As for the Cinesphere.....this it still seems to look okay, and the presentation of 2001: A Space Odyssey was awesome! The Cinesphere was the world's first IMAX theater. j And of course, the entrance is starting to look fairly run down now, but what can you do. And finally....the pods themselves, they look much the same as I always remember on the outside. However, they have not been used on the inside since the late 90s except for the two in the foreground, they were used for potential private events. Back in the early to mid 90s, the other pods had great attractions in them, like a laser show, the Nintendo Power Pod which was full of SNES games that were free to play, in 1996, the N64 was playable before it's official release in September of that year. I never experienced that but it's what I've heard. Next door to the Nintendo Power Pod, was Legoland which was inside the pod next door. Somehow, these attractions withered away, I personally think they were great attractions. The Children's Village which arguably started the whole direction of amusement in the first place was torn down in 2002 and replaced by carnie rides. This is a view of the pods. While many have a lukewarm opinion of Ontario Place, and I was one that really didn't care in 2012. It's still kind of sad how this all turned out. It's possible the future of Ontario Place may be up for debate again, like putting a giant ferris wheel on the site. But who knows, for those who actually experienced the place as a kid in the 80s or 90s, it was a decent place.
  4. MisterSG1

    The love for Son of Beast

    I thought the ride experience was good in 2004, but I'm no coaster enthusiast really. It was a smoother ride than the original Beast for me.
  5. MisterSG1

    Ability to become a Flagship Park

    I think you misunderstood what I meant. After all this is a Kings Island site and I don’t expect to average poster on here to be well knowledgeable on Wonderland’s attractions.
  6. MisterSG1

    Ability to become a Flagship Park

    Since you know more about the Wonderland than the average bear, I'm curious, do you see any spot where a new wooden or launched coaster could go? I mean one could say that the easiest solution is to put the Wild Beast on the chopping block, but it's something I don't want to see happen myself. The reason why KI's supporting coaster lineup is superb is because obviously. KI was the flagship park. KI got the record breaking Vortex, we got Dragon Fire. Or KI would get Flight of Fear while we would get as it was known Top Gun. While Kings Island gets the Son of Beast, we get The Fly. It was only when Cedar Fair took over that Canada's Wonderland started to get some respect from corporate. If I recall, I remember reading once that Leviathan was intended to go to Knott's originally, I mean it does seem a bit redundant having a hyper and giga, it's like junior and senior.
  7. MisterSG1

    Ability to become a Flagship Park

    Here's just a few two cents: It's a no brainer that in the pre-Cedar Fair days, Taft and including Paramount, that Kings Island was the flagship park of the chain. In this era, all the good stuff went to Kings Island, The Beast, Vortex, Son of Beast (despite its failure) broke records in their own ways. Before SOB, most would think a giant loop on a wooden coaster would be totally impossible, and that wooden coasters can't invert. It's what I think of attractions in the sense of those that "attract" visitors from great distances. Kings Island has not really done anything big since Cedar Fair took them over. They got Diamondback, but pretty much everyone has a 200' Hyper B&M nowadays. Then there's Banshee, a world record breaker sure, yet personally it doesn't strike me as a mega attraction. I mean, with the new rides that Cedar Fair has brought upon Canada's Wonderland, especially now with the addition of Yukon Striker, the first roller coaster built in Wonderland that will be a record holder of some kind, one could debate if Wonderland or Kings Island is the better park. This would be a dumb question to ask in 2004, as the answer would be a no brainer, Kings Island for sure, but now Wonderland has gotten close to the level of Kings Island. As for someone who asked why Kings Dominion attendance is so low. Even though it's on the I-95 corridor, it practically is in the middle of nowhere. The city that it's anchored onto, Richmond, is the smallest metro area for starters out of all the former Taft/KECO properties. Canada's Wonderland on the other hand, is anchored by one of the largest metros in either Canada/US, has great public transit access relative to the other parks, you can almost take the subway there now. (Toronto outside NYC has the strongest usage of public transit) I'm sure the vast majority of Wonderland's associates come in to work using public transit. Kings Dominion is for better or worse, an attraction in the middle of nowhere along I-95. Some could say Cedar Point is the same thing, but Cedar Point has made itself more of a destination than the local amusement park, at least that's how I see it.
  8. You sure about that, was the 2017 season much more successful because it happened to happen on the 150th anniversary of when Queen Victoria decided to unite three British colonies and split one of them into two pieces? Id like to see the numbers to prove that Canada’s Wonderland was more successful despite this. The whole Canada 150 movement was met with indifference in reality. Many were angry that the government was spending any money at all on Canada 150. i don’t really want to get deep into politics as I’m assumed that’s not tolerated here.
  9. This is all great news, and especially Winterfest. However, I am sort of lukewarm about the addition of Frontier Canada, call me pessimistic but that was something I was glad that they skipped out on originally. It seems like a forced Canadian Content concept, which was something some protestors of Wonderland demanded form the beginning. It's the kind of tackiness that's the same kind of thing if a Disney Park opened here and there'd just have to be Mickey in an RCMP ceremonial uniform. I'm not exactly sure why Cedar Fair all of a sudden is obsessed with tacky Canadiana theming that doesn't resonate with anything in the modern Greater Toronto Area.
  10. Quick question, can the antique cars actually be driven? The ones at Wonderland are simply a car ride that runs on a track and you pretend that you drive. But is there a level of control with the vehicles?
  11. So let me get this straight, is this actually a world record breaking coaster being built at Wonderland. As in tallest and fastest DIVE coaster, 246 foot drop, with a speed of 80 mph if this is the case, it’s a first for wonderland in getting a record breaker.
  12. Well in the example of Canada's Wonderland, there's a few things that make that park different. We know that Wonderland is the most visited seasonal theme park in North America (North America being our two countries) BUT, Wonderland doesn't have much to offer and isn't as "famous" as Cedar Poiint or Kings Island are, not by a longshot. I point back to Son of Beast as an example of making your park famous. It was the main attraction that got me interested in going in 2004. Kings Island and Cedar Point were all about innovation and world class roller coasters. Although Cedar Fair has been improving in putting big things in Wonderland, like Leviathan. But even so, Leviathan should have been the tallest traditional lift hill coaster in the world, even if it were to be beaten in a few years. So Wonderland's attendance, I think it's safe to say that it mostly comes from locals, I mean other than Knott's, Wonderland is the only park anchored onto a very large city. The Greater Toronto Area would be the 5th largest metro area if it were in the US. When including Hamilton, (which I think is fair as Dallas's incluedes Fort Worth) the population of the metro area is over 7 million. I'm not trying to be a downer, I'm being realistic, when's the last time you heard of someone saying they're taking a trip to Canada's Wonderland?
  13. And just last week, he refused to participate in the Rogers Cup in Toronto at York University....not far at all from Wonderland by the way. I wonder if he would go on with his anti-American rhetoric if he was told off by the officials at Canada's Wonderland for doing this on a ride on the Leviathan. Your days are done Andy Murray.
  14. This is something I'm curious on. On any given day in Kings Island, how many guests hold season passes? Is this information available in any way. A fair estimate at Canada's Wonderland would be around 70% I suppose, that is 70% of guests used a season pass for admission. I would assume Kings Island, and then Cedar Point to be a much lower percentage, especially Cedar Point as it is practically isolated.
  15. While Canada's Wonderland had its own equivalent, the Kingswood Music Theatre, and was the defacto outdoor venue for concerts in the Toronto area in the 1980s and the early to mid 1990s, it appears to my knowledge that the Timberwolf Amphitheater doesn't have an explanation as to why it's not still popular today for concerts. What happened in Toronto was obvious, Ontario Place opened the Molson Amphiteatre in 1994 and no one wanted to go to Kingswood anymore. Ironic that Ontario Place itself has shut down except for the Molson Amphitheater (which is called the Budweiser Stage today). So what's the explanation for the downfall of Timberwolf?