WHO'S READY TO SEE A MIDGET BLEED?

[JAHill]

If the park really wants to do this, they need to do it in a place where it cannot be seen easily without warning. if someone doesn't expect to see it out in the open, they shouldn't. They shouldn't be housing this in Festhaus (or honestly, anywhere) because people can just walk in and see a midget bleeding. If they want to set this up, do it in a closed off area where you know what you're about to see BEFORE you see it. Hence, the Kings Island Theater.

[Colonel_SoB_fan]

I watched Undercover Boss tonight and as I watched I thought of these questions.

1. What are the chances of Richard Kinzel doing that?

2. IF he did would any employee know him?

3. What would he say when he came to Kings Island?

4. if he came during this year Haunt, what would he think?

[BavarianBeatle]

I can find no evidence that people who watch Half Print Brawlers are violent white trash, as has been repeatedly stated as fact in this thread. It seems as though the following flawed logic is being employed:

1. I am not violent white trash

2. I do not care for Half Pint Brawlers;

3. Therefore, anyone who likes Half Pint Brawlers is violent white trash.

--Beatle, who is not white trash, doesn't care for B&M coasers, and who knows how silly it would be to take the next step.....

[King Maple The Tree King]

Beatle, I think you're misinterpreting eveyone's generalization. The kind of crowd you described came to Haunt anyways without the midget wresting. I think most of us are assuming they'll be bringing more of their friends this time around.

- Maple, who isn't afraid of the ghouls, monsters, ghosts and werewolves (or the high school actors who play them) at haunt, but rather is afraid of the crowd that's come out the past few seasons.

[Browntggrr]

I find it intresting that most people obviously do not attend these wrestling events, but know: what kind of people do, know that those people will cause vandalism, will be drunk and disorderly, and should be considered/ called "white trash".

Wow. The stereotypes contained in this thread are endless. And like many people find this event over the top and disgusting, I find these uneducated sterotypes worse.

The YouTube video was produced for a shock reaction, much like ESPN's SportsCenter everynight- you only see the "highlights". The entire event will not be like the video- just like the highlights on SportsCenter are not the only things that happen in a game. The video showed the "worst" of the "worst".

[The Interpreter]

Indeed, and the park should not be surprised when people come expecting to see what they saw in the trailer. If, indeed, they do not, they are apt to be very disappointed, at best...

Movies have the luxury of largely not depending on repeat business. Parks do not have that luxury. Just like Jeff Seibert's constant overselling of what turned out to be much lesser attractions than what was promoted...eventually the park loses credibility...meanwhile, those who did not go know what happened based on the trailer, when in fact nothing of the kind happened, and the park's image is affected.

[RailRider]

Terpy I agree with your thoughts and I as well will not be attending KI for the rest of the seasson. On Saturday I went to CP for Halloweekends and the park was packed. One of the busiest days I have seen. Given the boat show was going on in the Marina, Pointfest in the Soak City parking lot and the opening weekend of their haunt activities. Very little blood and gore at CP and especially no midgets bleeding, yet the park was packed. The shows were mainly family friendly as well and my daughter loved the magic show. Also many famlies at the park all day because of the family friendly nature of the park and how haunts are located only in their area. Families were also spending their hard earned money and staying overnight at the park as well. I wonder if the park behaves this way because a certain person lives in the parking lot?

Great family weekend at the Point and Im pretty sure families are who parks want to attract...

[teenageninja]

My point is this, yes it is going to offend some people, but I mean it's a show on SpikeTV. KI is a business and like it or not, they are going to operate in which they can make the most profit possible. Good news being there are only 3 shows a night, so it's not like it's an all night event, I believe the last match is at 11:00 PM. Also, the re-entry policy should keep the crowd less rowdy.

[BoddaH1994]

Show times are 7:30, 9:00, 10:30 and 12:00 according to the web site.

[Snowman]

I can find no evidence that people who watch Half Print Brawlers are violent white trash, as has been repeatedly stated as fact in this thread. It seems as though the following flawed logic is being employed:

1. I am not violent white trash

2. I do not care for Half Pint Brawlers;

3. Therefore, anyone who likes Half Pint Brawlers is violent white trash.

--Beatle, who is not white trash, doesn't care for B&M coasers, and who knows how silly it would be to take the next step.....

Beatle, I see your point.

Going to a "Family Friendly" Amusement Park see REAL blood pouring out of scantily clad, violent, angry midgets who use unsuspecting office supplies to administer pain for the entertainment of drunken bar patrons, (it definately ain't Chuckee Cheese in the video!) definately shouldn't be labeled just as a "White" thing.

It should be ridiculed by all ages, sexes, races, creeds, and religous preferences!

Thanks for pointing that out.

Trashy entertainment isn't just for white people anymore!

[74Gibson]

I find it intresting that most people obviously do not attend these wrestling events, but know: what kind of people do, know that those people will cause vandalism, will be drunk and disorderly, and should be considered/ called "white trash".

Wow. The stereotypes contained in this thread are endless. And like many people find this event over the top and disgusting, I find these uneducated sterotypes worse.

The YouTube video was produced for a shock reaction, much like ESPN's SportsCenter everynight- you only see the "highlights". The entire event will not be like the video- just like the highlights on SportsCenter are not the only things that happen in a game. The video showed the "worst" of the "worst".

I speak as a mixed martial artist who knows many different people from many different fighting styles.

I know that when I go to a fighting match, my sympathethic nervous system (fight or flight) is a kinda activated. When I smell blood, my body prepares for a fight. As a psychologist, i know that people exposed to violence are aroused by it. Put all of these pieces together and I can tell what type of mood will be created by the event. It's not just about the people attending but the group mentality/experience that will be created there.

You can also argue whether or not the event is moral (I won't) and I'm sure that the trailer does show the worst of the worst. However, that's what KI used to attract people and that's the tone THEY are setting for the event. It's unwise!

I used to put on concerts for metal bands. We were all peacful hippy-types but our crowd would get over-hyped and get into fights. It's better now days but, when metal was new people went nuts! Stereotypes are there because enough people acted in a way that promoted, and often solidified (proved) an opinion.

I'm an Irish man married to a Hispanic woman and I've always had frineds from whatever background/race I happen to encounter. However, I am prejudice against thugs and am quite convinced that it is a good thing.

[RailRider]

Love the post Gibson. All I can add is that I have experienced crowds like this. That have the kind of group mentality you mentioned and I knowingly do not wish to subject myself to them again. As I have stated my nickles will be spent elsewhere.

I must ask. I know your passion for performing Irish music, any thought on a Traditional Death Metal Irish Folk group? Im thinking a great name would be "Death Pogues" or the "Irish Death Rovers" Just some thoughts...

[Dieseltech20]

We are taking the kids on Sunday for the kiddie thing. Hopefully all the dreary predictions do not come to fruition and there is still a park to visit on Sunday.

I myself, while not trashy am white and do not mind blood and gore at halloween and love slasher films. To each their own I suppose.

[Beast1979]

KI is a business and like it or not, they are going to operate in which they can make the most profit possible.

Porn is a very profitable industry....why not try that next year?

Have you seen the line between Profit and Ethics yet?

"And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.

And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone....."

[RailRider]

Porn is a very profitable industry....why not try that next year?

The Tri-States own Larry Flint could even be brought in to help organize and plan such an event. Why not? Definately would make some nickles.

How far is too far and when do you start to tarnish the reputation and brand of the park?

[Browntggrr]

Stereotypes are there because enough people acted in a way that promoted, and often solidified (proved) an opinion.

Very true, and I enjoyed your thoughts.

When a sterotype is tagged to something, people will often specifically look and seek out that specific sterotype. This event, given the attitude of many posters, has the potential to become negative no matter what happens. It is quite possible that this sterotype can be attributed to 10 people in a crowd of 1000 (as with any large crowd, there is always the possibility of an incident happening) only because people want to believe and are specifically looking out for the negative reference- this event will be considered terrible and shed a negative light on the park.

I am amazed that the event has not happened yet, is already tagged as being a bad thing, and KI fans will refuse to enter the park. Drinking the Kool-Aid has certainly worked here.

Now if this event does sour HH overall, I will have no problem agreeing that it was a bad idea. I just like to have an open mind and see the event for myself before passing judgement.

On a side note: comparing midget wrestling to porn? Really? Talk about going to an extreme to shove an opinion down people's throats....

[RailRider]

I have no problem with "midget wrestling" I have a problem with violence for the sake of violence. I'm not talking movie production violence or haunt gore for entertainment and a scare. I am talking about individuals using office implements on one another to injure and draw blood. There is a difference between a stage production and the actual event. I just want to make that point clear.

[TylerRider]

I think we should stop discussing this until Saturday morning. So we can actually see how "bad" or "good" it really is. Kings Island is not going to let fights break out all over the park.

Kings Island also may have limits on what these gentlemen can do. WE JUST DON"T KNOW!

[RailRider]

^

The video that Kings Island is promoting shows other wise. Dont advertise bleeding midgets if you dont plan on having bleeding midgets.

[XGatorHead 8904]

We are taking the kids on Sunday for the kiddie thing. Hopefully all the dreary predictions do not come to fruition and there is still a park to visit on Sunday.

I think we should stop discussing this until Saturday morning.

According to KI's Haunt website, Half Pint Brawlers doesn't start until October 1st, so they are not there this weekend.

[jdawg1998]

It's not the wrestling part that's bad it's the blood and gore part. Especially paper being stapled to someones head....is that really needed? Wrestling on it's own is ok with me! PS this is my first post on my iPod. Haha.

[Coney Islander]

Stereotypes are there because enough people acted in a way that promoted, and often solidified (proved) an opinion.

Very true, and I enjoyed your thoughts.

When a sterotype is tagged to something, people will often specifically look and seek out that specific sterotype. This event, given the attitude of many posters, has the potential to become negative no matter what happens. It is quite possible that this sterotype can be attributed to 10 people in a crowd of 1000 (as with any large crowd, there is always the possibility of an incident happening) only because people want to believe and are specifically looking out for the negative reference- this event will be considered terrible and shed a negative light on the park.

I am amazed that the event has not happened yet, is already tagged as being a bad thing, and KI fans will refuse to enter the park. Drinking the Kool-Aid has certainly worked here.

Now if this event does sour HH overall, I will have no problem agreeing that it was a bad idea. I just like to have an open mind and see the event for myself before passing judgement.

On a side note: comparing midget wrestling to porn? Really? Talk about going to an extreme to shove an opinion down people's throats....

The problem is the number of people who will doubtless feel the need to act out the events they see on stage... Remembering some of the people who visited Halloween Haunt last year, I'll be thoroughly surprised if no altercation takes place. Heck, I expect more than a few.

Many of my friends have been verbally abused at Kings Island. Mostly during Haunt and also during the regular season (but to a much lesser extent.) And what's up with all those rough looking Kings Island visitors who can't seem to keep their shirt on? The people who threaten to beat up passer byes? You wouldn't call Haunt the safest place...

But now, new for 2010, bloody fighting! Trust me, Haunt this year has the potential to be a very dangerous place.

I, like many, have considered canceling my yearly visit to Halloween Haunt. Probably would have, had I not half of a two day pass to spend.

[Browntggrr]

The problem is the number of people who will doubtless feel the need to act out the events they see on stage.

So you have attended events like this and have personally witnessed spectators acting out what is on stage?

How terrible. Where and when did this happen?

[Coney Islander]

^

No. But knowing how many visitors to Kings Island's Haunt act, year after year, I'd expect for the worst...

Many of my friends have been insulted or threatened by other Kings Island guests. The Half Pit Brawlers sure aren't discouraging this type of thing.

Even if I'm wrong and no physical altercation occurs, I wouldn't expect such a violent show to bring the guests in question toward being any more respectful toward their fellow man.

[BavarianBeatle]

I can find no evidence that people who watch Half Print Brawlers are violent white trash, as has been repeatedly stated as fact in this thread. It seems as though the following flawed logic is being employed:

1. I am not violent white trash

2. I do not care for Half Pint Brawlers;

3. Therefore, anyone who likes Half Pint Brawlers is violent white trash.

--Beatle, who is not white trash, doesn't care for B&M coasers, and who knows how silly it would be to take the next step.....

Beatle, I see your point.

Going to a "Family Friendly" Amusement Park see REAL blood pouring out of scantily clad, violent, angry midgets who use unsuspecting office supplies to administer pain for the entertainment of drunken bar patrons, (it definately ain't Chuckee Cheese in the video!

No, but this is.....

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2009/01/conduct_at_restaurant_describe.html

[windshawne]

Stereotypes are there because enough people acted in a way that promoted, and often solidified (proved) an opinion.

Very true, and I enjoyed your thoughts.

When a sterotype is tagged to something, people will often specifically look and seek out that specific sterotype. This event, given the attitude of many posters, has the potential to become negative no matter what happens. It is quite possible that this sterotype can be attributed to 10 people in a crowd of 1000 (as with any large crowd, there is always the possibility of an incident happening) only because people want to believe and are specifically looking out for the negative reference- this event will be considered terrible and shed a negative light on the park.

I am amazed that the event has not happened yet, is already tagged as being a bad thing, and KI fans will refuse to enter the park. Drinking the Kool-Aid has certainly worked here.

Now if this event does sour HH overall, I will have no problem agreeing that it was a bad idea. I just like to have an open mind and see the event for myself before passing judgement.

On a side note: comparing midget wrestling to porn? Really? Talk about going to an extreme to shove an opinion down people's throats....

Would you take your kids to an event like this? As far as the reputation of the park, what I hear from the members in my circles is that KI is a totally different place, and not in a good way. Each year, the actors take more and more crap from the public and this is just going to be the icing on the cake. I hope I'm wrong.

As far as the porn issue, I have gone on record in years past stating Club Blood is nearly crossing that line.

[Browntggrr]

^

No. But knowing how many visitors to Kings Island's Haunt act, year after year, I'd expect for the worst...

Many of my friends have been insulted or threatened by other Kings Island guests. The Half Pit Brawlers sure aren't discouraging this type of thing.

Even if I'm wrong and no physical altercation occurs, I wouldn't expect such a violent show to bring the guests in question toward being any more respectful toward their fellow man.

Oh, I took your comments that you have first hand experience with these types of wrestling events, only to find out, you don't.

My family & I have been disrespected numerous times at different parks by teenagers who insist on smoking, line jumping, running through the park, and being in off-limit areas. Given your unexperienced criteria of what type of people attend these events, do you also suggest to not allow all teenagers into the park without parental supervision?

Would you take your kids to an event like this?

No. I am also not going to take my kids to a rated "R" movie as neither event is advertised for kids.

[KI Kevin]

^

No. But knowing how many visitors to Kings Island's Haunt act, year after year, I'd expect for the worst...

Many of my friends have been insulted or threatened by other Kings Island guests. The Half Pit Brawlers sure aren't discouraging this type of thing.

Even if I'm wrong and no physical altercation occurs, I wouldn't expect such a violent show to bring the guests in question toward being any more respectful toward their fellow man.

Oh, I took your comments that you have first hand experience with these types of wrestling events, only to find out, you don't.

My family & I have been disrespected numerous times at different parks by teenagers who insist on smoking, line jumping, running through the park, and being in off-limit areas. Given your unexperienced criteria of what type of people attend these events, do you also suggest to not allow all teenagers into the park without parental supervision?

I hate this stereotype almost as much as I hate this Half-Pint Brawlers idea. Adults often forget who raised these rowdy teens.

Anyway. I despise the HPB. Last year's stunt honestly didn't bother me. But after seeing that video (and the title of it alone), I'm sickened.

[Coney Islander]

^^

The way Cedar Fair markets their parks almost entirely towards teenagers and young adults, restricting their entry would be oxymoronic. and would definitely cause record falls in attendance. Slowly easing the park back towards families would be the best bet towards eliminating the problem. But that's not how Cedar Fair runs their parks.

I wouldn't put the blame entirely on teenagers themselves... What is the park promoting in their commercials? What exactly are they saying to the people who visit? "No one and nothing is off limits." "WHO'S READY TO SEE A MIDGET BLEED!?" And, my favorite of them all, "Last Haunt was only a bad dream, compared to this year."

We shall see...

(A final note... You are correct that I have never been to any wrestling event. I'll make it my duty to watch the Half Pit Brawlers show as well as keep my eyes open around the rest of the park. That way, I can learn just how correct (or incorrect) I am. I'll be shutting up, until then.)

[vortexfan]

Porn is a very profitable industry....why not try that next year?

Yeah! Maybe the park can promote it by saying things like "WHO'S READY TO SEE A HOOKER BLEED?"

Just kidding....I hope.