Bob Dole Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 You could at least be open minded... Instead of thinking i'm wrong, at least admit that it is a possibility, because, in all truth, it is. A train extension is also a possiblility, although i think that would be dumber, even if it is cheaper, because trains dont go uphill very efficently, and rearranging the paths would be a logistical nightmare. And the animal safari wasn't used for transporting around the park, it was a ride that you rode to see the animals. Also, if I recall correctly, the skyway across the fountain was removed due to the fact that it broke down all the time and it was difficult to get people off when they were stuck above the fountain. so a monorail that went across the park would, in fact, be a new thing to the park. The train is old and useless, if you ask me. But, i will not say that it will not be expanded because that would be too narrow minded for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 I forget what it is that trains can handle in form of hills, but you are right, it isn't very much. I think that it wouldn't be as hard as one might think, to extend the train around the perimeter of the park. It already goes behind TR:TR, and could easily work around Vortex Beast, and other items and areas. The big thing aobut the monorail is,I think if they had any thoughts of ever using one agian, they would have kept the old monorail, and not sold it to Jungle Jim's. I don't think that financially, the park is really interested in either extending the train, or adding a monorail, to help with moving people around the park. There are already a ton of walkways, and you can get around the park rather easily. I never got a chance to ride on the old Skyway, but I'm sure we could see it again. I'm sure they are now better controlled and wouldn't break down as often. You have to remember, that if they did this, getting people off in an Emergency would probably much easier today, then it was when the original skyway existed. Many Fire Trucks today that have ladders, are more like portable cranes, and can reach very far. Some reach up to 235 ft, and can have several sections that bend, like a cherry picker would, not to mention, that in a major emergency, they would have people go out across the wires, and just use ropes to rappel everyone to safety, even if it meant, landing in the water, in the fountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 But the monorail was sold a long time ago, like 5 or 6 years... And... I don't know. But what else spans the length of the park and can be considered a family ride? besides a transportation thingy i mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 There isn't anything that spans the length of the park that is a family ride. There are two types of monorails. Transportation type, and the ride type. I guess if PKI had some plans for something, they could put back in a ride type monorail, but I don't think they would ever build a transportation monorail, due to the extreme cost. Intamin makes monorails and systems at a cost of approximately $6.52 million per mile. If you are thinking something like they have at Disney World, or what they are building in Las Vegas, with the Bombardier Mark VI trains, the cost goes up dramatically to a whopping $68 million per mile. I have no idea what the distance is around the perimeter of the park, but I don't think it is worth the whopping price tag, in order to put it in. If you want to know more, Check out The Monorail Society by clicking here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Yeah well, we're talking about a park that spent over 15 million on a flat ride. Not that i don't like tomb raider, i'm just saying. And if they used steel track... its a possibility. It probably won't happen, mostly because we live in the middle of the country in a place that doesn't generate nearly as many tourists as Orlando. But hey. I hope youre wrong, and i mean that in the nicest way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 yeah, but spending 15 million for a flat ride, that does so many people per hour, and is an excellent thrill ride would make sense to a mjaor amusement park, like PKI. Spending that much, if not more on a monorail, does not make financial sense, considering that PKI is by no means Huge in size, and it very easy to get around. There aren't a whole lot of monorails out there that I coudl find that still use steel track. Most use concrete now, because of its durability, and that is what drives the cost up. You also have to be careful that somethings that run on steel, actually run on two rails, and aren't considered to be monorails, like the failed Cincinnati Light Rail Initiative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 People would like the top spin if it wasnt in a box. But TR isnt the point. The point is that it is possible for something like that. The figures on that site aren't exact. And you don't speak for everyone because you don't like a m onorail. People might like it. It would be cool, thats what I know, and some of us have the freedom to dream, so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 If only the case was true, that people did not like Tomb Raider, and that it would be better if it were outdoors. I don't believe this to be the case, as the ride seems to have been very pouplar, as there was always a line for it, all season long. Also, I never said that I didn't like monorails. I just don't think that PKI is going to install one. In fact, I don't think PKI will install a monorail, or a sky ride, or extend the train. The park is not that large, that they need to, and the money they save could be better spent on park upkeep, coasters and new thrill rides. In all honesty, the previously mentioned rides have all existed in the park in previous times, and out of all three, the train is the only one that remains. The train might be the only one left for more reasons than one. I still think there is probably some expensive upkeep on them, but if I remember correctly, they are the old Miami Valley Railroad locomotives, but have been restored, and retrofitted so that they now burn Liquified Propane Gas, instead of coal. Other than that, I think they are mostly original, and still need to be filled with water every so often. The other thing is they are narrow gauge trains, and only run on track that is 24" wide I think. Standard track is 44" wide or something close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastfreak Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Just quick question. Where exactly by The Beast and SOB are the land clearings. I only rode the rides once dark so never noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 The Beat clearing is right near the station/brake run. There were lots of bushes/trees cleared near the ride. I didn't see the clearing aorund SOB. There are still a bunch of cleared areas around that ride, just because it was so new, and they cleared tons of land for building and staging when they built SOB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 i think the clearing aorund SOB was the old kc spot i did not see any other than that as of 11/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 I know there used to be a bunch of clearings around SOB, but that was just after the ride was constructed. These clearings were left over after construction, and have probably since been covered over by brush growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Yea the land around the SOB is really bare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcmaster Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 One of PKI's other new attractions may be that new SpongeBob Squarepants simulator attraction. This ride is coming to the other Paramount Parks, and it will be located in the Action FX Theater. I'm not guaranteeing it, but PCW and PC have so far announced that they are getting it, so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Unfortunately that has been mentioned here, but it seems as if most don't want it in the park, or should I state in that part of the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 I got an idea from a KI security guy I was talking to at sears yesterday... he said he hadn't heard anything about a third ride... and also suggested that possibly it could be something announced this year for 04... Nothing has ever said that the third announcement would be for 2003... so...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Yeah, but then again for all we know, there could be a third ride being built as we speak, and they just aren't releasing any info, or anything about it exisisting. That would be really neat, walking into the park, and finding out aobut a ride, that there were no media releases on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 I think that idea of haveing a new ride in 2004 sounds a little more realistic. I just can not see waiting until the season starts to announce a new ride. It just would not be good business, because you could increase ticket sales. -adam12 -Last post by "adam12" was on 12-23-2002, at 9:28AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOB_TOM Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Well, think about it. Major construction hasnt even started at the park, just pouring footers and such. What if they waited until after the winter snows? Look at Reptar. It was up in 2 months. There still could be an added attraction. Just wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 I hope so, but we will just have to wait and see. -adam12 -Last post by "adam12" was on 12-23-2002, at 12:45PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 That is what I am thinking. Just because they don't tell anyone about it, does not mean there isn't something in the works. It wouldn't surprise me, if there ended up being three rides for next year, but they only opt to announce two of them, which owuld be sneaky, but would also be a total surprise when the park opens next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Amusement Business says the third attraction is a live entertainment show and is expected to be announced in early 2003. so a third ride would surprise me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SML828 Posted December 23, 2002 Author Share Posted December 23, 2002 I still don't understand "live entertainment show" - all of the in-park shows are "live entertainment shows"....some like Nick even have audience participation...so that is nothing new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 we will just have to wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt3224 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 If they were getting a sky ride, don't you think that we would have seen it being built by now. I mean it would be cool if we did get it, but i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aero11 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Do you think that with all the talk about the fountain getting a makeover and the rumor of a new show for next year, that maybe we will get a live dancing water show synchronized to music and the fireworks. Just a thought but they could but some new rotating heads in the fountain to add to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastfreak Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I'd hope its not rotating fountains. They just need to synchronize the ups and downs of the jets better. Maybe some jumping fountains from platform to platform and get a more even spray on the jets. There are just too many jets and such little room to have rotating heads. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I'm sure with the fountain reconstruction that things will be better. New plumibng with new pumps, new valves, and new nozzles, i'm sure the fountain will be better this year than last, and everything will be more even. I hope they add some really neat lighting to the fountain, and maybe even some fiber-optic so it looks really neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Do you think that with all the talk about the fountain getting a makeover and the rumor of a new show for next year, that maybe we will get a live dancing water show synchronized to music and the fireworks. Just a thought but they could but some new rotating heads in the fountain to add to it. i think what he was trying to say was like the laser show at seaworld orlando or something like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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