shark6495 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I dont get the hate for the extra pay fast pass system. Some people want to and some people dont. Its not cutting. In life you either pay for better stuff or you dont. Be it shipping or food. Its not a thing against the middle class, its actually a way for the richer to pay more. Back to the Disney thing. I understand the fastpass at Disney. IMHO you are abusing the system. period. It may not be how you see it but to me it is an abuse. The computer assumes you are using your fast pass then getting a new one. The computer sees it like this. You get your pass at 830 to return between 930 and 1030. From 830 to 930 you eat. At 930 you ride your ride then move to the second ride at 950 and it tells you to come back at 1050-1150. In the old way (abuse as I see it), you get one pass ride at 930, go to eat. At 930 you get a ticket for 1030 for the second ride. You make it back to the original ride at at 945, get off of the ride then make back to the other ride by about 1015. You wait 15 minutes and get on, rinse and repeat. The ride assumes you will now be there at 1030 (not the original 1050) and puts you in the digital que. It was allowed by the park but I think it goes against the intent of the system, not the rules of the systems. again just my opinion. I would use it the same was you described, but I still feel that thats the problem. It doesnt seem so bad when there is only 1 person doing this but when you have 100s doing this same thing that wait time gets pushed longer and longer. Eventually selling out (correct?) Im not upset if you dont find it as abuse, heck Disney let you do it. What I dont understand is why dont they do the old system (with the new bands) but only allow you to have one fast pass in your digital pocket at a time. AKA you cant get another one until you use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Double Post: GYK Im not trying to argue the morals of the fast pass system. As I freely admit I would use it the same way as you do/did. I just feel that because it can be abused thats why some of the changes are being made.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Triple post: I was on Disney's website doing the chat thing planning my family trip for 2015, and the wonderful girl named Rosa informed me that the fastpass+ system will be changing again for next year. So there is that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Have fun with your family trip to Disney next year. I highly recommend using a site like easywdw.com to help you plan which parks what days and how to better visit the parks to make the most out of your time while avoiding the biggest lines. Having a plan at Disney makes a world of difference. Especially when you are done with New Fantasyland before the rest of the general public has even made it in the park. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yea we are doing a bigger than normal family trip so right now the discussion is value versus moderate hotel stayings... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfanatic83 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Oh boy. I can't wait for my operations management course on Friday with a planned discussion titled: "Capacity- Queuing At Disney." 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gad198 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Perhaps this is too simplistic a view of this situation - but what it seems like to me is that Disney is trying to spread people around their parks a little more efficiently. The new system might cut the overall wait times for some of their popular attractions by spreading some people who would ordinarily be at a very popular attraction and shift them to attractions that weren't getting much action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Keep in mind that the system isn't all about rides--something we enthusiasts get caught up in all too often. If I'm with my kids at their present ages, the big rides aren't for them anyway. While my daughter wants to meet the princesses, my son is more interested in meeting Mickey or Goofy. That to me, is more valuable to reserve ahead of time than a ride. If done right, most of the rides at the parks can be done in one day anyway, with or without FP+. The parades/fireworks/shows are important as well. Who here hasn't been standing on MSUSA 3-4 deep with little ones on their shoulders craning for a decent view of the parade? The system will adjust to the needs and park feedback, so I say give it time to work out all the kinks. Perhaps the feature I will miss most was the little-known ability to use your paper FP ticket at any point past the end of the return window. I used to love going to the big rides hours after the end of the window and not having the CM bat an eye. Not eveyone likes change. Some here were outraged that KI drained a certain lake in order to build a giant coaster a few years back. That turned out nicely enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Perhaps this is too simplistic a view of this situation - but what it seems like to me is that Disney is trying to spread people around their parks a little more efficiently. The new system might cut the overall wait times for some of their popular attractions by spreading some people who would ordinarily be at a very popular attraction and shift them to attractions that weren't getting much action. I believe that this was leaked at some point as the reason for FP+. They wanted to avoid having to install new attractions by "encouraging" people to ride unpopular or high capacity ones (i.e. Journey Into Imagination or Ellen's Energy Adventure) and lock them into their plans sooner. Personally, I'm more bothered that the new official map for Epcot is upside down for some reason. I actually don't hate FP+ all that much, it seems more convenient, but it doesn't seem well thought out, especially on the IT side of things. I really like the idea of the MagicBands, though. A combo admission ticket/payment system/FP system in one band seems like a good idea. Gotta love the people making tin foil shields for their MBs. (and, yes, I've heard of people doing this) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yea we are doing a bigger than normal family trip so right now the discussion is value versus moderate hotel stayings... A very tough question honestly. Depends on what you are looking for in your resort and if you are going a time of year that free dinning is offered. We have always stayed at the Coronado Springs because of the free dining option (which at Moderate gives you the regular plan while value is quick service). Also CS has one of the nicest and largest pools on property and the rooms are newly refurbished and are equal some of the deluxe resorts in size. Feel free to PM with any questions you might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 With the current discounts, the benefit of staying in a moderate is greater than a value. Keep in mind, though, that suites are limited at all other resorts besides the new Art of Animation should you choose to bunk up together. Also, research whether you'd get the most out of your free dining plan. There are websites dedicated to answrring that plus other WDW questions. Another option would be to check into a DVC resort. Those aren't strictly limited to the DVC holders. That way you could get more people in one unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I don't understand why they can't have a modified version for Magic Kingdom. I don't think anyone can decide between Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Haunted Mansion, and Splash Mountain. That's one of my main beefs with this program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 My idea for a compromise for MK would be the establishment of SRL for the mountains much like for Test Track, or Rock n Roller Coaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstop Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The purpose of the Fastpass was never to speed up lines. Because guests were spending their time in line, they were not buying merchandise or food. The concept was supposed to free up your time to shop or eat. Most people saw it as a chance to get in more rides for their dollar...hence it has evolved...and will continue to evolve until Disney gets the top dollar they can get, otherwise why spend billions of dollars implementing this program. It certainly is not to enhance your ride experience. Again you can put your debit card information on your wristband...this has nothing to do with anything but convenience of sales. There is a video somewhere with an Imagineer explaining the Fastpass at its conception. When I find it I will post it. It mentions the spending time in line and not buying anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fun fact: Part of the reason that the parks suddenly seemed to be so crowded is that Imagineers accounted for a percentage of guests being in lines at any given time. Once Fastpass meant that people spent time they'd usually be in line hanging out waiting for their time to come up rather than shopping or riding something else, that percentage was thrown off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 No Magic Kingdom is crowded because its average daily attendance is around 50,000 guests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 #guilty 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Lots of gifs... because thats what I have to say about that 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum91 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 \So if you select Test Track, then if you want to ride Soarin', you MUST wait in the full queue. If you choose Meet Mickey as your tier 1 choice, you won't see Test Track or Soarin' or Maelstrom without the hour-long queues associated with each on even the slowest days. But one of the reasons that the queues for rides like Soarin' were so monstrously long was because of FastPass. I've heard, that sans Fast Pass, the queue time for Soarin' would never surpass 30 minutes. If you restrict FastPass's use, the park could potentially drop the stand-by wait times down, therefore enabling the majority of visitors to enjoy more. I don't think anyone can decide between Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Haunted Mansion, and Splash Mountain. That's one of my main beefs with this program. The system is only requiring guests to choose one of the big rides for FastPass+, not to ride in general. If they get a FastPass for Space Mountain, there's nothing stopping them for queuing for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad (and, as predicted above, the wait time for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad may now be less, without the FastPass overkill). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 There will be days it will definitely be shorter by at least one. You see, I now have additional incentive to go where I'd rather go anyway--"I'm going to Disneyland!" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstop Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Funny thing is, Disney has always been an innovator of technology that eventually finds it's way into every day life. It's a testing ground in a way. Ready to wear you "everything wristband" everywhere you go in real life and not just in Fantasyland? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Disney is hardly the innovator here. Waldameer has had a similar cashless system for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 No doubt linked to my biometrics and other personal data... for ease... of identification... perhaps... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstop Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Disney is hardly the innovator here. Waldameer has had a similar cashless system for quite some time. Wow...didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 There will be days it will definitely be shorter by at least one. You see, I now have additional incentive to go where I'd rather go anyway--"I'm going to Disneyland!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Never mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I think this program will make me even more likely to visit the other place instead. // But there is no giant GPS map of Magic Kingdom tracking a person's move like a blipping dot on a radar. That sounds exactly like the Marauder's Map that is in Harry Potter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 which can be seen at the other place ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanna Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Wow. Looks like they made a vacation into a job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It sure isn't the Happiest Place On Earth anymore! (unless you're wealthy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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