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8 minutes ago, BSBMX said:

About what size were the supports? And what shape? I think a lot of the transfer and storage supports are more traditional I-beam shaped rather than round ones. With all these footings being completed first, we might see those supports installed first. 

They we’re more round ones I didn’t see any I beam supports. They looked like more for this portion of the track

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1 hour ago, ohiocoasterfan said:

Here are photos from Fury 325 footers being poured in progressive stages. I was wondering if BSBMX could explain what we are seeing in these pictures. Specifically, what is the pink stuff and why is there a gap with the metal plate and bolts on the finished footer.
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Nice! Can you link to where those pics came from? Looks interesting. 

So the pink stuff looks like normal pink foam insulation, which is fairly rigid but lightweight, cheap, and easy to cut. They're using it to create forms, or essentially negative molds, to create the grout pockets in the tops of the footings. 

The steel plate and the bar directly underneath it (laying on top of the pink foam) is there while the concrete cures to keep the pink foam from floating upwards and around as well as keeping the rebar suspended within the concrete until it is cured enough. 

That steel plate (and bars and pink foam) would be removed prior to the actual support being placed. On the bottom of these supports, there is a "shear key", which is a small protrusion that loosely fits into the grout pocket (what the pink foam 'molded'). The shear key can be used as a last resort of keeping the support from sliding off the footing until everything is tightened, cured, etc. It also can be used to poka-yoke the support to its footing so that it can only go one way. 

Once the support is installed, you'd still see a small gap between the footing and the support. This gap is later filled with concrete grout, which fills in the grout pocket, around the shear key, and fully fills beneath the support (in theory) so there are no gaps or air pockets. 

 

There are way better pics out there, but I remember seeing this one yesterday, so I included it below. This is an example of a shear key on one of Hershey's pieces. This is a low-to-the-ground piece where there's no separate support, but same idea here. That shear key would fit into a grout pocket on a footing. 

The blueprints also give an example of a top view and side view of the grout pocket and shear key. Note in the top view, you can see the elongated octagon shape of the grout pocket form, similar to what you show in your pics. 

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BSBMX! Thanks for the detailed explanation on grout pockets! I realized that the gap between the footing and plate was sealed with grout but wasn't so intimately familiar with the process, lol. 

That is a fantastic Fury construction album, I remember following along. Crazy it's been 5 years. Fury went vertical September 29th, and I'm also wondering at this point if KI's construction timeline is a bit earlier to get the bulk of vertical construction done before winter.

And finally, looking at these pics, I wish both Carowinds and KI had been able to spare more trees! Canada's Wonderland preserved quite a few with Leviathan, but they also had the easiest site to work with by far.

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37 minutes ago, ohiocoasterfan said:

Very interesting stuff and it all kinda makes sense. You should be a teacher!

Here is a link to Carowinds Fury construction photos. Lots of good stuff in there.

https://www.carowindsconnection.com/fury325.php

It is all interesting stuff, that's for sure. Here is a very short video explaining the grout used under the footings. The video isn't for a coaster, but similar in idea.

 

 

In the video, you saw him make a wooden frame 'dam' around the support that the grout is poured into. You'll see similar wooden frame dams on KI's coaster too, but some of these support grout fillings won't be completed until the track has been bolted together. Here are some related images from GateKeeper's construction. All pics are from:

https://cpfansite.com/2013/01/GateKeeper-construction-update/

 

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1 minute ago, ohiocoasterfan said:

In this picture am I right in my assumption that they are able to adjust the supports prior to filling with grout. Is this gap left there to help fit and adjust track pieces together?
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Yes. They want the track pieces to bolt together squarely without 'fighting' any resistance from the supports where they meet the ground, so they will keep the support-footing connections 'loose' until the track in the vicinity is bolted tight. If it weren't for this small bit of float, then the track pieces may not bolt together as they're intended and could leave a noticeable kink in the track connection. 

They can also manually adjust these areas too. Here's an image from Banshee's construction where you can see two hydraulic jacks (beefier version of what you'd use to lift up your car). They may have used these to lift the supports another inch or two to meet up with the track at top. Image is from KIC's construction pics of Banshee.

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2 minutes ago, thatguyfromohio said:

 


That guy is pretty strong to be holding up that track


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Hah! He is The Beast.

It looks like he's removing the protector end plates that keep the edges of the rail from damage prior to assembly. Here's a closeup image of those plates and a footing. Pic from here:

http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2013/10/scott-and-carol-present-kings-island_28.html

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On 6/15/2019 at 3:40 PM, BSBMX said:

In the link quoted above, some of the images show new clearing down towards Racer's turnaround. This clearing is near an overhead electrical line. 

Per the electrical blueprints, this area is marked with an ES28 tag, which explains that the overhead lines will be replaced by an underground conduit. With the electrical blueprints already being released, I'd expect this will occur before any bigger construction goes on in this area, meaning that the additional clearing we see going on in this area may just be for this move of electrical service. 

 

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21 minutes ago, lifetimecoaster said:

Well that explains a big question I had in my mind, which was "What are they doing with the power line running over to the area where Racer is?"

 

Yeah, I was wondering how they would be able to build a coaster with that power line running over that area. 

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Someone may have pointed this out earlier (or I did), but for the sake of new conversation, Yukon Striker is the only rollercoaster in the Cedar Fair chain that has a water fountain in the station in order for people to dump out their drinks before placing them on the new ride storage bin system. Do you think that the reason there is a water fountain in the station is for the giga to have a similar ride storage bin system? I know Amusement Insiders pointed this out in a video long ago, but I was just thinking about it again today because I didn’t know if anyone had put more thought into it...

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43 minutes ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

Someone may have pointed this out earlier (or I did), but for the sake of new conversation, Yukon Striker is the only rollercoaster in the Cedar Fair chain that has a water fountain in the station in order for people to dump out their drinks before placing them on the new ride storage bin system. Do you think that the reason there is a water fountain in the station is for the giga to have a similar ride storage bin system? I know Amusement Insiders pointed this out in a video long ago, but I was just thinking about it again today because I didn’t know if anyone had put more thought into it...

The water fountain is on the exit side of the station, so no. I think it's simply for employee use.

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9 minutes ago, pkiknex25 said:

The water fountain is on the exit side of the station, so no. I think it's simply for employee use.

I have not been to Canada’s Wonderland to experience the new ride storage system, so I don’t full understand how it works, but if it is anything similar to how plain bins in the station work, it would be on the exit side of the station. When you board, let’s say Diamondback, you step over your seat to the exit side to put your items in the bin. I will probably have to research how Canada’s Wonderland’s system works to find out more about it before I can say for sure...

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Just now, FUN&ONLY! said:

I have not been to Canada’s Wonderland to experience the new ride storage system, so I don’t full understand how it works, but if it is anything similar to how plain bins in the station work, it would be on the exit side of the station. When you board, let’s say Diamondback, you step over your seat to the exit side to put your items in the bin. I will probably have to research how Canada’s Wonderland’s system works to find out more about it before I can say for sure...

Yukon Striker carries your stuff from the entrance side of the station to the exit side, with the bins on a conveyor belt crossing over the track. There's no stepping across the train required.

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5 minutes ago, shizzzon said:

But WindSeeker doesnt drop this fast. WindSeeker just has several slow motion helixes then a 1 minute descending break run to the ground.  Sitting in the back seat of WindSeeker doesnt feel faster either.

Yeah, but we are talking about @sixohdieselrage's fantasies here, not yours. 

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What I meant by my statement was, I would love to have a 301' drop on a wing, dive and flourless before a drop like that on a giga. I'd prefer the giga to be around 320', but at least we are getting something.

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Yukon striker looks huge next to WindSeeker, so that wouldn’t be a bad addition


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3 minutes ago, sixohdieselrage said:

flourless

Hasn't it been independently confirmed Project X is gluten free? I'm not sure about vegan :lol:

On the real, inverting coasters don't need giga height to do what they do and some of the best are smaller...you only need to look to Maverick and similar coasters for the evidence of that. The floorless effect is the closest thing to a gimmick that B&M have ever pulled, it does very little for ride experience. I do agree that a flying coaster could be amazing at 300'+ height, Tatsu has a total altitude variance of 263' and it makes for an awesome ride experience. 
 

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