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9 hours ago, Shaggy said:

Ummm.... yes they would...  not saying they do at present... but Face/Off (Invertigo) and Rugrats (Flying Ace) were stored in the parking lot before vertical construction began.  See below.

Also, Tomb Raider was stored in the picnic grove before vertical construction began.  Drop Zone (Tower) was also stored in the parking lot ahead of vertical construction.

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That is true, but I think that was more of a Paramount trend, storing the coaster’s track before going vertical. And Firehawk was in the parking lot because it was relocated and had to be installed immediately. I think with any new roller coaster, Kings Island is not going to store the track inside park boundaries.

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9 minutes ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

That is true, but I think that was more of a Paramount trend, storing the coaster’s track before going vertical. And Firehawk was in the parking lot because it was relocated and had to be installed immediately. I think with any new roller coaster, Kings Island is not going to store the track inside park boundaries.

I 100% disagree with this.  

They are going to begin shipping stuff in the not too distant future.  They don't have an abudance of space at CSF.  There are plenty of places in the park that track could be stored and hidden.

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4 minutes ago, teenageninja said:

I 100% disagree with this.  

They are going to begin shipping stuff in the not too distant future.  They don't have an abudance of space at CSF.  There are plenty of places in the park that track could be stored and hidden.

I still don’t think we will see a single piece of track at Kings Island until after the announcement. With Diamondback and Banshee, did the track ever show up at the park before they were announced? That should give us a pretty good idea of what to expect.

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16 minutes ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

I still don’t think we will see a single piece of track at Kings Island until after the announcement. With Diamondback and Banshee, did the track ever show up at the park before they were announced? That should give us a good idea of what to expect.

This may not mean anything, but a piece of Fury was placed inside of CW for the announcement. They might do something similar with this coaster. 

EDIT: specifically, it was this piece below. If you go back thru the speculation thread for Fury, this piece appeared on webcam a few days prior to the announcement and was placed inside the park (image is from Carowinds Connection's construction album).

 

 

 

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The KIga equivalent of this piece has already been produced and painted, seen in the latest aerial images over CSF. This is a great piece to show off because it doesn't have any support mounts, so it'll sit relatively flat on the ground.

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Track has a way of arriving on site before vertical construction. Parking lots are easy staging areas and it's super common to see track there, by no means was that Paramount thing. 

It's also commonplace for track to be on site before an announcement. I suppose the announcement could be announced at any time, lol. Things should heat up come July :P

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11 minutes ago, silver2005 said:

Doesn't Kings Island use that field behind Banshee as track staging, too?

I believe so. Kings Island has more space than most, so that's entirely possible. There's quite a few places giga track could be staged. I think ideally there's an initial wave of track/support shipment, vertical construction begins, and then there's a flow of shipments as construction continues so that there's not an inordinate amount of space needed to stage track.

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The less time they have to handle track, the cheaper its going to cost them in the long run.  Unless CSF runs our of room to store track on site, there is 0 reason to store track at KI.  You want it to come straight from CSF to the staging area so the crane in place can be used to pick it up off the truck and either directly on to the ground or directly into the air depending on how quickly they can move and install it as it comes in.  Its a waste of time and manpower to find a staging area at KI in the parking lot or deep in the woods, only to have to move it an additional time to the location that the crane will lift it up an install it on the ride.

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 My thought also was if there's not a place that's concrete or asphalt to store the track, then you're going to have to clean the track sections before you put them in place to get the splashed mud and dirt off of them from rain, and you risk scratching the paint. The less moving, the less likely it is that something gets torn up. 

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Just now, Gordon Bombay said:

I love this thread. 

There is some great information in here. 

There's also some silliness. You guys are way overthinking the this whole notion of reasons as to when, where, and why the track would be moved/show up. 

 Well, there's not much left to speculation anymore with having the entire blueprints.... might as well reach for something to speculate upon now. :D

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4 minutes ago, medford said:

The less time they have to handle track, the cheaper its going to cost them in the long run.  Unless CSF runs our of room to store track on site, there is 0 reason to store track at KI.  You want it to come straight from CSF to the staging area so the crane in place can be used to pick it up off the truck and either directly on to the ground or directly into the air depending on how quickly they can move and install it as it comes in.  Its a waste of time and manpower to find a staging area at KI in the parking lot or deep in the woods, only to have to move it an additional time to the location that the crane will lift it up an install it on the ride.

While all of this is true, it doesn't necessarily happen in practice that way. There's going to be at least some track staged, even if it's in the area of the Firehawk site the giga won't occupy (which is probably most likely to happen). 

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31 minutes ago, lifetimecoaster said:

 My thought also was if there's not a place that's concrete or asphalt to store the track, then you're going to have to clean the track sections before you put them in place to get the splashed mud and dirt off of them from rain, and you risk scratching the paint. The less moving, the less likely it is that something gets torn up. 

They touch up the paint anyway when the coaster is installed. So I don't think they are worried about mud and rain or  scratches. Coaster track has been staged for many many CF installation's .

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15 hours ago, thatguyfromohio said:

Update. There’s no track pieces visible from the tower


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I really didnt suspect there was at this point,  as I figured it would break here first.

Anyhow, I see alot of stuff about the coming coaster on facebook and this was the first time I have seen a claim of track being on site. I figured Id at least check here as I havent been to the park in a while.

Here is its, they are claiming there was a test video posted to the official Kings Island feed with an email open about coming attractions. It would appear that the said video is now gone as I can not find it. 

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23 minutes ago, Waltny said:

I really didnt suspect there was at this point,  as I figured it would break here first.

Anyhow, I see alot of stuff about the coming coaster on facebook and this was the first time I have seen a claim of track being on site. I figured Id at least check here as I havent been to the park in a while.

Here is its, they are claiming there was a test video posted to the official Kings Island feed with an email open about coming attractions. It would appear that the said video is now gone as I can not find it. 

Cedar Fair season passholder page

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44 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

Just drove past CSF, grey Supports on a truck getting ready to be delivered to a park, they were not the the gray color on the piece of the giga track, slightly darker so most likely for Hershey 

There was track delivered to Hershey not too long ago, so it's likely they're delivering the supports needed for the track there.

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12 hours ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

That is a lot closer to white than grey.  I like it, UK colors!

Talk about something being hyped up just to let the entire fanbase down...

I wonder if they will remove the coaster in 2021. You know, one and done.

 

9 hours ago, teenageninja said:

I 100% disagree with this.  

They are going to begin shipping stuff in the not too distant future.  They don't have an abudance of space at CSF.  There are plenty of places in the park that track could be stored and hidden.

No... The first we saw of Banshee was the storage shed. That was May 2013. No track or supports were delivered until August. After the the announcement. Nothing has changed that would make that timeline need to be different. Hershey track and supports are starting to leave CSF, freeing up room. 

9 hours ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

I still don’t think we will see a single piece of track at Kings Island until after the announcement. With Diamondback and Banshee, did the track ever show up at the park before they were announced? That should give us a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Diamondback was being built before the announcement IIRC, but all we had for Banshee was footers. 

8 hours ago, lifetimecoaster said:

 My thought also was if there's not a place that's concrete or asphalt to store the track, then you're going to have to clean the track sections before you put them in place to get the splashed mud and dirt off of them from rain, and you risk scratching the paint. The less moving, the less likely it is that something gets torn up. 

You just put cribbing down to keep it from sitting directly on the ground. Right now at CSF they have painted track in gravel and grass areas. Mud splashing from rain does not scratch paint. 

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41 minutes ago, fryoj said:

Talk about something being hyped up just to let the entire fanbase down...

I wonder if they will remove the coaster in 2021. You know, one and done.

 

No... The first we saw of Banshee was the storage shed. That was May 2013. No track or supports were delivered until August. After the the announcement. Nothing has changed that would make that timeline need to be different. Hershey track and supports are starting to leave CSF, freeing up room. 

Diamondback was being built before the announcement IIRC, but all we had for Banshee was footers. 

You just put cribbing down to keep it from sitting directly on the ground. Right now at CSF they have painted track in gravel and grass areas. Mud splashing from rain does not scratch paint. 

Does this scratch paint?

 

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2 minutes ago, BSBMX said:

Does this scratch paint?

 

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I don't know about paint, but it'll sure ruin a pair of pants. We had a 70 ft tall light tower flip a crane once.... At least with that track piece they didn't have the boom extended, so it didn't fall far. 

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^I mean personally I would care if I payed 30 million for something and it was covered in scratches, but that’s just me.

Plus, scratches can lead to cracks, and cracks can lead to material failure.

So to answer your question, it depends. A small surface scratch or two, no they won’t care. Some things you just can’t control. Scratches all over the coaster, or scratches that are a bit more than just surface abrasions, yes they will definitely care.


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The park will probably make an announcement when they’re ready to sell 2020 season passes. They don’t need to make an announcement before the first track piece arrives or immediately after. The day the first track piece arrives will add to the excitement either way. I don’t think they’ll try to hide the track back behind Banshee. The easiest way to get the track to the site would be through the park. That service road under Banshee has a lot of hills to navigate. Not impossible but I think unlikely. So I think they’ll either stage it in the parking lot or take it straight back and store it on the unused portion of the Firehawk site.

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I actually think at this point why even have an announcement?  The community has already done it for them.  Cheap advertising and in actuality anything they announce will no longer be a surprise and can only come to criticism.

"New for 2020, you know what it is, why tell you?" :)

(Heck, there's even been a POV made).  

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^Those who expect no surprises are those that end up being the most surprised.

I’m not saying they’re gonna be like “lol the blueprints were fake we’re actually getting dive coaster” but there may be something that isn’t quite what you expect. (For example, look at MTs shed at the announcement. We knew the layout and everything, but we didn’t know what was in the shed [if you don’t like the shed, please, save us some time. We’ve heard it a million times]. If that’s not your cup of tea, check out DC Rivals back car. I’m not saying this coaster will definitely do something like this, I’m just saying don’t count it out yet)


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