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20 hours ago, silver2005 said:

We didn't ever pin DB, Banshee or Mystic Timbers for the name despite many trademarked names that came out for all 3. 

 

10 hours ago, ldhudsonjr said:

^Definitely wouldn't be a bad name at all if they had kept it. Still not completely sold it's going to be as simple as Polaris or Orion though. Were you the one that mentioned earlier that they trademarked a bunch of stuff before Mystic Timbers and Banshee and none of them were the names? Honestly that gives me hope. I do kind of like Polaris but I just feel like it needs something else.

 

The USPTO records are searchable for any trademark application, whether it was accepted or not, and whether it's live or dead (as of today). Searching for "amusement" and either "Cedar Fair", "Cedar Point", or "Kings Island", I cannot find a trademark application for DB, NOR can I find any suitable application for DB that was made around the 2008/2009 timeframe. This was surprising to me--if anyone can find a trademark for Diamondback, please show me.

As for MT or Banshee, both of those DO have trademarks, but neither had any other suitable trademarks filed around their respective times. For what it's worth, MT's trademark application was filed 1 day after it was announced, but Banshee's application was filed about 3.5 months before its announcement. 

I'd welcome @silver2005 to show us what other trademarked names were filed for these 3 coasters. Perhaps my search isn't as extensive as it can be.  I'm always looking to improve! BUT, for what it's worth, I'd guess that multiple trademarks were not made for these roller coasters prior to opening as I believe my research on USPTO's site is extensive enough to uncover these. @ldhudsonjr, I wouldn't give up on hope though. As seen with MT, GateKeeper, and likely some others, the trademark wasn't filed until the day before/of/after the coaster was announced. There's certainly some precedent there that the same could happen with this coaster. IMO though, either 'Polaris' or 'Orion' will be related to this project. 

Below is an example of one of the searches. Results are listed in order from recent to older.

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On 6/28/2019 at 6:34 PM, Maverick44 said:

Well you have to consider that that last 2 giga installments to the chain I305 and Fury325 both have #'s. So they are the most recent so its also possible that it does in my eyes.

It's worth mentioning that the '325' in Fury's name was applied for after 'Fury' was ('Fury' was applied for on 1/23/14, while 'Fury 325' was applied for on 6/9/14).

Originally, the 'Fury' trademark was filed in January 2014. At the end of April 2014, the USPTO sent a letter to CF for an initial refusal of the trademark application, citing "likelihood of confusion" with Sperian's line of eyewear (seemingly, they had glasses that also shared the 'Fury' name). Behind the scenes, CF and Sperian reached an agreement that neither of their similarly-named trademarks would be confused with each other. CF readily signed this agreement on 5/23/16, but Sperian did not sign until 6/16/16 (shown below). I'm speculating that CF was beginning to get anxious waiting on Sperian to sign the agreement as they went ahead and filed a new application for 'Fury 325' on 6/9/14, about 1 week prior to Sperian's signature on their agreement. 

What I'm getting at is I don't think '325' was initially intended to be part of the coaster's name. An issue came up with the trademark application of 'Fury', and while at the end of the day the 'Fury' trademark was awarded to CF, CF didn't want to wait around for a possible second refusal, so they went ahead and filed for 'Fury 325' separately, which sounds better anyways IMO. As for I305, I'm guessing CF just didn't want to pull a Six Flags and have two different coasters under the same name.

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EDIT: (so I'm not double-posting)... @ldhudsonjr & @collin.klopfstein, the 'crest' you all were referring to is just a metal louver in the station building. These are used for ventilation. That's not to say there won't be a crest added, but what's shown in the blueprints is simply a vent for the hot air rising to the station's ceiling. On one page of the blueprint, it even says 'louver' in the notes off to the side. Below is an example of one I found on a house, a bit more decorative than the one shown in the blueprints, but still serving the same purpose. 

 

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46 minutes ago, BSBMX said:

 

The USPTO records are searchable for any trademark application, whether it was accepted or not, and whether it's live or dead (as of today). Searching for "amusement" and either "Cedar Fair", "Cedar Point", or "Kings Island", I cannot find a trademark application for DB, NOR can I find any suitable application for DB that was made around the 2008/2009 timeframe. This was surprising to me--if anyone can find a trademark for Diamondback, please show me.

As for MT or Banshee, both of those DO have trademarks, but neither had any other suitable trademarks filed around their respective times. For what it's worth, MT's trademark application was filed 1 day after it was announced, but Banshee's application was filed about 3.5 months before its announcement. 

I'd welcome @silver2005 to show us what other trademarked names were filed for these 3 coasters. Perhaps my search isn't as extensive as it can be.  I'm always looking to improve! BUT, for what it's worth, I'd guess that multiple trademarks were not made for these roller coasters prior to opening as I believe my research on USPTO's site is extensive enough to uncover these. @ldhudsonjr, I wouldn't give up on hope though. As seen with MT, GateKeeper, and likely some others, the trademark wasn't filed until the day before/of/after the coaster was announced. There's certainly some precedent there that the same could happen with this coaster. IMO though, either 'Polaris' or 'Orion' will be related to this project. 

Below is an example of one of the searches. Results are listed in order from recent to older.

ki.jpg

 

It's worth mentioning that the '325' in Fury's name was applied for after 'Fury' was ('Fury' was applied for on 1/23/14, while 'Fury 325' was applied for on 6/9/14).

Originally, the 'Fury' trademark was filed in January 2014. At the end of April 2014, the USPTO sent a letter to CF for an initial refusal of the trademark application, citing "likelihood of confusion" with Sperian's line of eyewear (seemingly, they had glasses that also shared the 'Fury' name). Behind the scenes, CF and Sperian reached an agreement that neither of their similarly-named trademarks would be confused with each other. CF readily signed this agreement on 5/23/16, but Sperian did not sign until 6/16/16 (shown below). I'm speculating that CF was beginning to get anxious waiting on Sperian to sign the agreement as they went ahead and filed a new application for 'Fury 325' on 6/9/14, about 1 week prior to Sperian's signature on their agreement. 

What I'm getting at is I don't think '325' was initially intended to be part of the coaster's name. An issue came up with the trademark application of 'Fury', and while at the end of the day the 'Fury' trademark was awarded to CF, CF didn't want to wait around for a possible second refusal, so they went ahead and filed for 'Fury 325' separately, which sounds better anyways IMO. As for I305, I'm guessing CF just didn't want to pull a Six Flags and have two different coasters under the same name.

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EDIT: (so I'm not double-posting)... @ldhudsonjr & @collin.klopfstein, the 'crest' you all were referring to is just a metal louver in the station building. These are used for ventilation. That's not to say there won't be a crest added, but what's shown in the blueprints is simply a vent for the hot air rising to the station's ceiling. On one page of the blueprint, it even says 'louver' in the notes off to the side. Below is an example of one I found on a house, a bit more decorative than the one shown in the blueprints, but still serving the same purpose. 

 

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Whoops, didn’t see that’s, my bad

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This much drama over what is being considered acceptable or not acceptable in trying to figure out what comes next??  Is this still is a decoding thread??

As a 15+ year member (and relatively quiet for the past couple years) admonishing an enthusiast for doing what we all have done for years is quite laughable.

If the information is obtained through legal/ proper channels, post it.  If the park had an issue with it, they would ask to have it taken down.

This isn't a Christmas gift.  This is not a troll posting spoilers because they saw a movie before you.  Those comparisons are apples to oranges. 

This is a large project we are all excited for.  If you want to wait till the announcement for a surprise, don't look at a decoding thread because unless the info is illegally obtained IT WILL BE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES.  

There are no "rules" when it comes to legally obtaining PUBLIC information.

Please have fun with this!  Some of my best memories of KIC were on threads just like this. 

Ok, rant over.  I will stumble off my soapbox.

In other news, the Browns are going to the playoffs in 2019!  B) 

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5 hours ago, BSBMX said:

 

The USPTO records are searchable for any trademark application, whether it was accepted or not, and whether it's live or dead (as of today). Searching for "amusement" and either "Cedar Fair", "Cedar Point", or "Kings Island", I cannot find a trademark application for DB, NOR can I find any suitable application for DB that was made around the 2008/2009 timeframe. This was surprising to me--if anyone can find a trademark for Diamondback, please show me.

As for MT or Banshee, both of those DO have trademarks, but neither had any other suitable trademarks filed around their respective times. For what it's worth, MT's trademark application was filed 1 day after it was announced, but Banshee's application was filed about 3.5 months before its announcement. 

I'd welcome @silver2005 to show us what other trademarked names were filed for these 3 coasters. Perhaps my search isn't as extensive as it can be.  I'm always looking to improve! BUT, for what it's worth, I'd guess that multiple trademarks were not made for these roller coasters prior to opening as I believe my research on USPTO's site is extensive enough to uncover these. @ldhudsonjr, I wouldn't give up on hope though. As seen with MT, GateKeeper, and likely some others, the trademark wasn't filed until the day before/of/after the coaster was announced. There's certainly some precedent there that the same could happen with this coaster. IMO though, either 'Polaris' or 'Orion' will be related to this project. 

Below is an example of one of the searches. Results are listed in order from recent to older.

ki.jpg

 

It's worth mentioning that the '325' in Fury's name was applied for after 'Fury' was ('Fury' was applied for on 1/23/14, while 'Fury 325' was applied for on 6/9/14).

Originally, the 'Fury' trademark was filed in January 2014. At the end of April 2014, the USPTO sent a letter to CF for an initial refusal of the trademark application, citing "likelihood of confusion" with Sperian's line of eyewear (seemingly, they had glasses that also shared the 'Fury' name). Behind the scenes, CF and Sperian reached an agreement that neither of their similarly-named trademarks would be confused with each other. CF readily signed this agreement on 5/23/16, but Sperian did not sign until 6/16/16 (shown below). I'm speculating that CF was beginning to get anxious waiting on Sperian to sign the agreement as they went ahead and filed a new application for 'Fury 325' on 6/9/14, about 1 week prior to Sperian's signature on their agreement. 

What I'm getting at is I don't think '325' was initially intended to be part of the coaster's name. An issue came up with the trademark application of 'Fury', and while at the end of the day the 'Fury' trademark was awarded to CF, CF didn't want to wait around for a possible second refusal, so they went ahead and filed for 'Fury 325' separately, which sounds better anyways IMO. As for I305, I'm guessing CF just didn't want to pull a Six Flags and have two different coasters under the same name.

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That's fine that you found they exist, but all I was referring to is the fact no one here went to go find those in any of those cases.  Nowhere did I mention that they didn't exist (which, your post is an awfully elaborate form of gaslighting putting words in my mouth).  If you go back to those respective decoding threads, no one ever found the actual names using this method.  

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It's not an argument. I asked if proof could be resurrected for what was claimed, and none was provided. I do not want to contribute to the negativity that exists in this thread, so I'm moving on.

 

 

I remembered this afternoon that all past trademarks in use have a 'specimen' added to the application. These specimens always show the coaster logo as we know them today, and they all have a submitted date tied to them. I just reviewed Hangtime, Copperhead Strike, and Railblazer (all recent examples in CF's history), and unfortunately for all 3, nearly one year had passed between the initial application filing date and the date that the specimen was submitted. When the specimen was submitted, the ride (and logo) had already been announced. With that in mind, I don't think the trademark applications are going to tell us much more prior to the announcement, unless a new one is submitted the day of, or a day before, the announcement (which CF does have a history of doing). 

In construction news, the footings for the turnaround are complete, per the video below. The 'T' shaped footing at the end of the brakerun (beginning of turnaround) still has not been started, at least based on this video from two days ago. I'd say this footing and the large triangular one near the drop are the most complicated to build forms for, so I can understand them saving these for last.

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2 hours ago, silver2005 said:

...your post is an awfully elaborate form of gaslighting...

I just love seeing someone else using the term gaslighting! (When I use it, the younger generation just gives  me a blank stare.) :D

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2 hours ago, silver2005 said:

That's fine that you found they exist, but all I was referring to is the fact no one here went to go find those in any of those cases.  Nowhere did I mention that they didn't exist (which, your post is an awfully elaborate form of gaslighting putting words in my mouth).  If you go back to those respective decoding threads, no one ever found the actual names using this method.  

I think some folks here just need to cool down. No reason for all your posts to be so heated. We’re all just trying to decode and have fun here. It’s OKAY to relax lol

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Yikes I am glad I was not involved in that heat haha....what is really going on here? Like for real?

 

Fingers crossed we get something released or leaked soon to lighten the tension in here. I take it no one took my suggestion and relaxed this weekend with a couple of brews? lol

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31 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

What would the new blueprints show? Just wondering

Potentially lots of neat info. Probably nothing substantial at this point, but all of these prints have been fascinating to me. The lifthill page from the electrical prints suggests there are several cross sections thru the lift, including one right at the peak. I bet this particular cross section view would have some elevation heights listed, possibly resolving where the 1035.9' is measured from. It wouldn't really change anything, but it would tell us where all other heights are measured from.

 

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Depending on other views of the track on future blueprints, it may reveal how banked some of these turns are. Having the remaining coordinates for all the piers/footings would reveal the extent of how much concrete is involved in this project. None of the actual track is likely dimensioned, but some cross sectional views would be drawn to scale, so knowing one dimension could be used to accurately estimate the rest of the track dimensions. Again, nothing substantial, but lots of neat little things could be found. Nerd stuff to an engineer, but some others may appreciate it!

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I’m somewhat torn on whether or not I should keep following this thread. I love all the leaks and new info we get, but I don’t want to learn TOO much. I love that we know the layout and colors, but specifics, such as banking on turns, may ruin the announcement for me as I like learning about these there. (Ruin is a bit of a strong word, but it would almost definitely make it less fun) I feel like my sentiment is shared by many, but that does not mean everyone in here should stop posting stuff! This is a decoding thread after all! I just feel like this might be why the small quarrels have been happening.

I’ll probably just stick around because it gives me something to read. Plus I’m an engineer so I really love scouring over all the blueprints lol.


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59 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

Does someone have a picture of the space themed hat “ldhudsonjr” saw ?

Unfortunately they aren't related to the new coaster. @KIghostguy posted last night and said they've had those since at least 2017, which he knows since he's been working at the Emporium since then.

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5 hours ago, standbyme said:

I just love seeing someone else using the term gaslighting! (When I use it, the younger generation just gives  me a blank stare.) :D

Younger generation should be catching on by now. This is the era of gaslighting/propaganda. It starts from the top.

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Y'all I rode Fury 325 three times tonight. I know this ride will be around 1,000 feet shorter length-wise, but still it made me PUMPED to have a coaster like that coming to Kings Island. It was in the low 90s today and Fury was FLYING. Just imagine riding our giga at this point in the season after a blazing hot day with the sun going down. I have a feeling that our giga will feel even faster since it'll be so close to trees/The Racer. Also, fingers crossed that this giga's airtime moments will be just as strong as Fury. =D

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8 hours ago, TheBEASTunchained said:

I think some folks here just need to cool down. No reason for all your posts to be so heated. We’re all just trying to decode and have fun here. It’s OKAY to relax lol

I will call people out if I feel mistreated, which that post I quoted did.   I am all too familiar with the crappy affects of gaslighting, with myself living with a chronic illness that you can't tell by just looking at me, so I can spot it from a mile away.  I have zero tolerance for gaslighting.  I don't care how insignificant the topic is. 

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Ha ha oh my god there is something seriously wrong with some of the people who post on this message board.

I stopped posting here about 10 years ago due to the overwhelming negativity and while it's not as bad now and it seems like most users are really cool people, there are still plenty of rude, hostile, know-it-all posters who really bring a negative vibe to this site. For whatever reason, I've noticed most of these people are high post count members, so I'm not sure if it's some sort of seniority complex or what's going on there. 

The amount of stupid arguments I've been reading in this thread is astounding, with the latest being probably the most pathetic and embarrassing. Beyond that, the amount of know-it-alls who correct every little single thing in a hostile manner are almost unbearable and are truly the worst aspect of this site, with the corrections on "footings" and "footers" being just a very small, mild example of the pettiness that some users engage in. Again, most people here seem super friendly and are just here to have a great time but there are some very obvious sore thumbs here who create a negative aura that is not welcoming.

I know some users will be super offended and won't be able to resist the smart ass replies, so by all means continue to do what you do, but be aware you're part of the reason more people aren't active here. 

 

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@Wolf Like Me I do know what you mean, sometimes things get a little more heated than you'd think they should on a message board dedicated to something fun like an Amusement park, but honestly to emphasize what you yourself said, most people on here are super cool, and really even some of the people that are getting irritated here and there are cool most of the time. I think people are just getting annoyed because the thread keeps looping over the same topics again and again. I think people are just anxious to see some new information to talk about. Anyway, welcome back! Hope you stick around.

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6 hours ago, Wolf Like Me said:

 

Beyond that, the amount of know-it-alls who correct every little single thing in a hostile manner are almost unbearable and are truly the worst aspect of this site, with the corrections on "footings" and "footers" being just a very small, mild example of the pettiness that some users engage in. 

 

 

I'm not sure if it's just an internet thing or what, because I fee like people aren't like this so much in person. There have been 2 cases in this thread alone where someone had "corrected" me, but had actually said the same thing I did, they were just so eager to do it they hadn't taken the time to comprehend what I was saying. There were also times where 2 different members who were obviously children were laughed at and mocked for sharing their opinions. 

I'm like you though, I stopped coming here when that mod was handing down infractions for not capitalizing ride names.

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I wish we could all be one big happy family. I understand where people get upset if things get off topic. I also wish they didn't want to jump down your throat for talking about something you feel is important to you. I see both sides and just wish that we could all just drop the shenanigans.

Happy Tuesday everyone!

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We want things to stay positive on KIC and as Maverick said, be a big family. Dicussing and going back and forth over who is negative with each other is not productive in the forum (especially in this thread.)

If you did not like what someone posted, then send them a PM to let them respectfully know how you feel or get clarification on their post. If their post is violating the TOS, then please use the report button so a mod can take care of it. 

As far as this thread, it will remain and not be renamed. A new contruction thread will be coming really soon.

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I have been guilty of taking things the wrong way to the point I believed the poster was being insulting/ malicious.  When in reality they just didn't understand what I meant.  I refer it to a "lost in translation" effect in social media.  We cannot hear someone's tone of voice or see facial expressions and may take a post the wrong way and consider it an attack.

Nobody is perfect.  Nobody knows all.  Everyone has an opinion.  Too often we get caught up in something that we didn't explain fully, or someone else misunderstood.  Is it really THAT big of a deal?  This has always been a fun forum with some incredibly intelligent members that are very dedicated to KI (sometimes too dedicated ;)).

BTW- I love smartass answers & humor.  It keeps things on the light side.  Take no offense and give it back!  

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