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14 minutes ago, JAHill said:

Genuinely curious -- do we think teasing would have started earlier this season if everyone didn't already spoil it for themselves and the local media didn't hound the park so much?

I don't think the park cares at all. they are gonna do whatever they have planned no matter what.

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1 hour ago, JAHill said:

Genuinely curious -- do we think teasing would have started earlier this season if everyone didn't already spoil it for themselves and the local media didn't hound the park so much? 

I highly highly doubt that anything that's happened on this forum has impacted Kings Islands plans regarding unveiling this thing. What have you seen that makes you think the local media is "hounding" the park? Do you think that Kings Island wasn't expecting the media to ask questions when they started clearing a large section of the park and filing blueprints for a new roller coaster? I'd also have to ask, to what end do you think the park would decide to withhold dropping hints about the ride in response to all this? Would it be to punish enthusiasts? Would it be to punish John Materese (who I'm sure they feel does more good than harm by reporting about the park)?

I really do think we should put this idea that we "ruined" the ride for ourselves to bed once and for all. The entire stated purpose of this thread was to figure out what the new coaster was. Maybe it was figured out more quickly than some would have liked, but could that just be because over the past few additions this forum has gotten better at piecing these things together? Should the members of this forum that  did the heavy lifting on this thing ( @fryoj, @BSBMX @Bansheeback, @RuthlessAirtime, @DustinTheNowamong others) have done a worse job?

In any case, this will continue to happen each and every time the park begins construction on something new for the foreseeable future, unless the park decides to change the order in which they do things, or laws change. If Kings Island wants to spill the beans themselves, the only option they really have is to unveil the ride before they file blueprints. Short of doing that, or policy changing somehow regarding these things, this will happen within days of them filing the blueprints every time. I have to assume they know this, and have decided they would rather have the prints get out,  than disrupt their own timeline just to get ahead of coaster enthusiasts .

If you don't want to know the details of the ride before the announcement (which I totally get, btw) your best bet would be to avoid Youtube videos about the subject, r/rollercoasters threads about the subject, and DEFINITELY threads like this.

I know it probably sounds like it, but I'm not trying to be hostile here at all. @JAHill this is not really directed at you, by the way, it's just something that's come up multiple times here, and I'm just unsure of what people on this forum actually want. You can't open up a Decoding thread, then get upset when things get decoded.

There is absolutely something to be said for waiting to find out anything until the announcement, I totally get that and I think anyone that want's to experience it that way should absolutely do so. The good news is, unlike Star Wars or Avengers, there isn't anyone jumping out of their skin to spoil it for you. I know for a fact that the only reason I'm aware of Project X is because I sought this information out. Trust me when I say the vast majority of people around our area, even if they enjoy Kings Island, are almost completely oblivious to all of this.

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I come here and know that I may get information that is true about the coaster and some that is false but I know I could ruin any surprise element for myself. I mean if you know what you want to see or what you do not want to see. You better stay away if you want to be surprised. I learned that first hand with MT. I'll be honest I didn't expect a Woodie nor did I want a Woodie but we got an amazing coaster.

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I just have a different definition of the word "decode" -- which involves the piecing together of subtle clues from the source itself to gather a larger picture and not just getting it all at once with the final plans.

But you're right -- if people want the full picture, they can absolutely get it here and it's my own fault for reading it.

I hope the ride is good and everyone enjoys it. With that said, I'm outta here. These boards ain't for me anymore.

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Just catching up and I’d like to say that whole trash can/support thing was hilarious! :lol: Also, to contribute to the hype music, I give you one of Ledger’s new songs (that has an appropriate title):

Sorry I couldn’t find a studio version, but she hasn’t released one yet.

Also, got two other Giga hype songs...

“The Catalyst” makes me think of Millennium Force.

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26 minutes ago, JAHill said:

I just have a different definition of the word "decode" -- which involves the piecing together of subtle clues from the source itself to gather a larger picture and not just getting it all at once with the final plans.

But you're right -- if people want the full picture, they can absolutely get it here and it's my own fault for reading it.

I hope the ride is good and everyone enjoys it. With that said, I'm outta here. This ain't for me anymore.

I see where you're coming from. It might be a good idea next time to separate the threads a bit. Maybe have one which only deals with official teasers and one where blueprints are allowed.

EDIT: To put it more simply, maybe a *WARNING SPOILERS* thread and a no spoilers one.

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Anyone going into a thread that is specifically designed to figure out what a new ride is absolutely cannot complain that they ... found out what the new ride is. Theres no real way to do a spoiler thread/non-spoiler thread. Even if you do one where you can only talk about what's been officially released or can be seen at the park, people are going to speculate in the non-spoiler thread and people will slip and correct people when they make incorrect speculation. Then you have the whole deal where the spoiler thread goes off the rails and new threads are created for "what's next" and all that. People will wander into those threads and be spoiled. I don't get the need to stretch it out all Summer for some people. Pretty much every coaster at every park gets spoiled at this point. If you want to be completely surprised when the park announces something, message boards aren't a good idea for you. That includes reddit and the park's social media. Even the comments there lay out what's coming. If you want to truly decode, you pretty much need to solo it. 

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2 hours ago, ldhudsonjr said:

Should the members of this forum that  did the heavy lifting on this thing ( @fryoj, @BSBMX @Bansheeback, @RuthlessAirtime, @DustinTheNowamong others) have done a worse job?

You forgot @Captain Nemo and myself (plus my friend, who wants to stay anonymous)... We could have made the pictures blurry to the point of "cant see anything". lol

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34 minutes ago, sixohdieselrage said:

You forgot @Captain Nemo and myself (plus my friend, who wants to stay anonymous)... We could have made the pictures blurry to the point of "cant see anything". lol

You're absolutely right. How could I forget the spyplane?! Apologies to @Captain Nemo when this thread started I was pretty new and didn't really start to recognize people on here until later on 

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17 minutes ago, ldhudsonjr said:

You're absolutely right. How could I forget the spyplane?! Apologies to @Captain Nemo when this thread started I was pretty new and didn't really start to recognize people on here until later on 

Cough. cough ... CSF  Cough.. track updates... cough

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I was also here to... bring up controversial opinions and... ummm... be the guy to get stoned to death by everyone else... yeah.

Also can’t forget Duffy’s Designs for the *most accurate depiction of the KI giga to not follow the blueprints exactly for creative reasons.

*Note: Most accurate apparently means most accurate scenery. It wasn’t mentioned anywhere but you should OBVIOUSLY know that.


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Sorry for the double post, but I honestly think that it is getting too late to start teasing a new ride. I know I may seem like a buzzkill, but unless the park decides to tease this weekend, I think they will just eventually put posters on the fence saying when the announcement will be. They will also probably send out those invitations to local news outlets with a few hints at the theme. This will probably get the GP’s attention more than regular teasers because people will suddenly wonder what will be announced soon, creating curiosity. I do expect these announcement date posters to somewhat hint at the theme though, like Mystic Timbers’ “What’s lurking in the woods?” followed by the date of the announcement. I don’t see anything more than that, but I am sure the hype will still be present on KIC because everyone will be awaiting and excited for the announcement.

Edit: Not a double post anymore...

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19 minutes ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

Sorry for the double post, but I honestly think that it is getting too late to start teasing a new ride. I know I may seem like a buzzkill, but unless the park decides to tease this weekend, I think they will just eventually put posters on the fence saying when the announcement will be. They will also probably send out those invitations to local news outlets with a few hints at the theme. This will probably get the GP’s attention more than regular teasers because people will suddenly wonder what will be announced soon, creating curiosity. I do expect these announcement date posters to somewhat hint at the theme though, like Mystic Timbers’ “What’s lurking in the woods?” followed by the date of the announcement. I don’t see anything more than that, but I am sure the hype will still be present on KIC because everyone will be awaiting and excited for the announcement.

Edit: Not a double post anymore...

Paul aris kills Ferdinand Hawkins and takes all of his land

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4 hours ago, ldhudsonjr said:

I highly highly doubt that anything that's happened on this forum has impacted Kings Islands plans regarding unveiling this thing. 

This may or may not be the case. However, I would not underestimate the effects of this "decoding".

Over the last 25+ years we've went from most people maybe seeing a TV commercial or a newspaper ad of the new ride. Then came full ride POVs and full layouts released on the park's time. Now we have people digging up blueprints and posting them online before the previous season is even underway.

I have assumed that speculation is good for business and subsequently early disclosure is bad for it. Every park at least acts as if this is the case. Logically it makes sense. One of the last things a park want to do is give someone a reason for not renewing the family's passes. "Let's just wait until the coaster." Once the habit is broken who knows if they'll come back. It's the same reason car companies don't talk about the upcoming all new 2020 model when the (5 year old design) 2019 model is still on the lots.

There are two possible pathways in the future that I can forsee:

1) There will no longer be speculation when it comes to new KI rides

OR

2) something will change with the policies/ordinances when it comes to new rider construction.

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Hey all, I’ve been gone from the forum for about three weeks. Would a kind soul catch me up on if anything important was learned during that time? Also, what does the site look like currently? Thank you.


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The year before Leviathan opened, CW folks didn't even know for sure there was a coaster coming yet at this point. There was construction, but no footers yet and definitely no teasers or anouncements for anouncements yet. I think it was still a week or two away from teasers on 7/11 that year. Still time, enjoy the Antiques.

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52 minutes ago, Logan said:

Hey all, I’ve been gone from the forum for about three weeks. Would a kind soul catch me up on if anything important was learned during that time? Also, what does the site look like currently? Thank you.


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Umm, we learned the track is blue and supports a very light grey/white, that people really don't like 'spoilers', and that most of KIC's members don't have the best taste in music.

Also, brake run, transfer track and station footings are nearing complete with more underway. Recent pics are in the Project X Construction Updates thread, and you can find video on the WildGravity Travels YouTube channel.

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14 hours ago, collin.klopfstein said:

Not gonna lie, stranger things theme would sound great as station music: 

 

I think they have a partnership with universal. I was thinking this same thing and have the whole coaster based on the Upside Down. It sucks that universal has this.

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3 hours ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

Hey guys, there’s been a lot of people that have contributed quite a bit to this thread and decoding in general.  But the constant attempts to pay yourselves on the back is a bad look.  Carry on.

There is a big difference between doing something everyone can do versus something very few can do. Taking pictures of CSF from the road, and taking pictures from the ET is something everyone can do. Being able to properly read blueprints/form them into a ride in NL, and being able to fly around the park, etc, isnt something everyone can do. That's where my comment came from. And I do appriciate everyone's work together on this... Carry on  

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15 minutes ago, sixohdieselrage said:

There is a big difference between doing something everyone can do versus something very few can do. Taking pictures of CSF from the road, and taking pictures from the ET is something everyone can do. Being able to properly read blueprints/form them into a ride in NL, and being able to fly around the park, etc, isnt something everyone can do. That's where my comment came from. And I do appriciate everyone's work together on this... Carry on  

 

Im just amazed at how talented all of you are at this! Its made it very enjoyable for myself and I'm sure many others. This definitely isn't my speciality, but I enjoy learning from you guys. 

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