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1 hour ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

This kind of stuff is what drives people to Facebook and other sites for information and updates rather than here.  Of course Kings Island doesn’t want drone footage released of their property.  But the video didn’t violate any laws.  So what’s the big deal?  At what point does this site stop being the internet’s leading KI fan site and starts becoming the unofficial mouthpiece of Kings Island PR?

Totally agree with this.

13 minutes ago, APE said:

Where the property line begins as they clearly state no flying of drones over their property

That could be a real problem for the guy that flew the drone, if he got caught. Surely Kings Island doesn't have any say on what kinds of links we can post here. If they want moderation control over a Kings Island web forum, they can always start their own. 

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I don’t want drones flying over my property either.  Do I get to tell people not to do so?  Nope.  Kings Island is no different than any other property owner.  It appears the drone operator followed every applicable law and regulation.  Again, at times I wonder whether this is truly an independent site, or actually controlled by KI PR.

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31 minutes ago, KIghostguy said:

It’s defunct rides. It’s just dressing up a hideous eyesore to make it look nice next to Antiques, nothing more and nothing less.

I don't disagree that those store fronts could very easily be references to defunct rides, all three of the ones I mentioned correspond to a now defunct ride. Though they had a pretty lengthy list of defunct rides that could have been referenced (I posted a link above). So why stack the deck with so many that have something to do with space? It's rather curious. I suppose it could just be coincidence though. 

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Kings Island’s drone policy is irrelevant.  It has NO legal standing.  As long as the drone operator is following the FAA’s regulations on their usage, there’s not a darn thing Kings Island (or any property owner) can do about it.

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My concern isn’t so much Kings Island’s useless drone policy (since they can’t do a darn thing about them), it’s this site’s constant catering to their whims.  Is this an independent site, or is it not?  Because if Kings Island PR is calling all the shots, then they own you.  Period.

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Just now, Hawaiian Coasters 325 said:

No I'm using this because clearly Kings Island doesn't allow drones over the park at all. 

Right, and what I'm saying is that's not what's at issue here. KIC didn't fly a drone over the park. A member of the forum linked to a Youtube video that showed someone flying a drone over the park.  Enforcing park rules is not the job of this website.

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1 minute ago, ldhudsonjr said:

Right, and what I'm saying is that's not what's at issue here. KIC didn't fly a drone over the park. A member of the forum linked to a Youtube video that showed someone flying a drone over the park.  Enforcing park rules is not the job of this website.

Agreed - this is supposed to be an independent site.  But it clearly is not if Kings Island PR is calling all the shots.

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You know, sometimes people just want to push the envelope. If the park has a policy, I follow it. It doesn't matter to me if it is on firm or shakey legal ground. If that's what the park wants, why go against their wishes? By extension, this site agrees with the parks wishes. So naturally, they are going to moderate with those wishes in mind. For those who don't like that, it may be time to accept that or move on.

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Just now, BeeastFarmer said:

You know, sometimes people just want to push the envelope. If the park has a policy, I follow it. It doesn't matter to me if it is on firm or shakey legal ground. If that's what the park wants, why go against their wishes? By extension, this site agrees with the parks wishes. So naturally, they are going to moderate with those wishes in mind. For those who don't like that, it may be time to accept that or move on.

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It’s not on firm or shaky ground.  Kings Island has NO LEGAL GROUND to ban drones over the park.  Only the FAA does, and only under certain conditions.

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2 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said:

You know, sometimes people just want to push the envelope. If the park has a policy, I follow it. It doesn't matter to me if it is on firm or shakey legal ground. If that's what the park wants, why go against their wishes? By extension, this site agrees with the parks wishes. So naturally, they are going to moderate with those wishes in mind. For those who don't like that, it may be time to accept that or move on.

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I also follow park policies...no one here broke any park policies, that's a big part of the point here. You may not think it's worth the discussion but this is clearly not the first time this has been an issue. I didn't participate, but I saw in a thread from before the park opened that this came up before over someone taking aerial photos of I Street. It's clearly a point of contention around here, so I don't think the best solution is "if you don't agree with it leave".

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It’s not on firm or shaky ground.  Kings Island has NO LEGAL GROUND to ban drones over the park.  Only the FAA does, and only under certain conditions.
Cedar Fair's legal department may or may not agree with your statement. But the point of my post was that this site has made it clear that they are going to abide by the wishes of the park and moderate that way. I doubt the park or the moderators (I don't speak for either, only my opinion) will change their policy going forward. If people have an issue with it, is it worth the philosophical ponderance? Is it worth the time to argue about it?

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I also follow park policies...no one here broke any park policies, that's a big part of the point here. You may not think it's worth the discussion but this is clearly not the first time this has been an issue. I didn't participate, but I saw in a thread from before the park opened that this came up before over someone taking aerial photos of I Street. It's clearly a point of contention around here, so I don't think the best solution is "if you don't agree with it leave".
I was under the impression that someone did break the parks drone policy, shared it and it got shared here. The mods removed the post. It's International Street all over again! Too much drama.

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48 minutes ago, fryoj said:

Not sure if you are oblivious to the point or are intentionally ignoring it, but as to your answer, the park has no legal standing for that rule. 

 

 

The park has every right to ban people from the park for violating its rules. They also don’t want copy cats going back and causing issues. This really isn’t hard to understand. Take all the pictures you want from a plane, tower anywhere really but drone flying over the park which is clearly seen in the video is not allowed by the park. And that drone is clearly over the KI property. 

 

What im trying to tell you is for the park this is a no no and the forum wants to keep a good relationship. Don’t be dense. 

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35 minutes ago, ldhudsonjr said:

Not sure if you've been reading everything here, but the question isn't whether Kings Island has a Drone Policy or not....

It actually is this is all I’ve stated. And the reason why the forum wouldn’t want it linked. 

 

I admitted earlier I misspoke about it being illegal when I actually meant it is prohibited by the park. 

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5 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said:

Cedar Fair's legal department may or may not agree with your statement. But the point of my post was that this site has made it clear that they are going to abide by the wishes of the park and moderate that way. I doubt the park or the moderators (I don't speak for either, only my opinion) will change their policy going forward. If people have an issue with it, is it worth the philosophical ponderance? Is it worth the time to argue about it? emoji1745.pngemoji125.pngemoji1708.pngemoji2788.png

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Cedar Fair’s legal department can kick rocks.  Read up on the regulations for yourself.  Just because they ban the use of drones IN THE PARK doesn’t mean someone can’t fly one over it.  Kings Island (or any property owner, for that matter) does not own the airspace above their property.  

And like I said, this site catering to every whim of Kings Island, while claiming to be an independent site, is disingenuous at best.

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1 minute ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

Cedar Fair’s legal department can kick rocks.  Read up on the regulations for yourself.  Just because they ban the use of drones IN THE PARK doesn’t mean someone can’t fly one over it.  Kings Island (or any property owner, for that matter) does not own the airspace above their property.  

And like I said, this site catering to every whim of Kings Island, while claiming to be an independent site, is disingenuous at best.

i get what you're saying here and fully agree that that video technically didn't break any park rule, the person is not operating the drone within park property, i can be see they took off from a location off park property which does not break park rules, and the drone itself is not operating on park property as it is in airspace above said park. Kings Island doesn't own the airspace so its not their property which means it didn't break their park guidelines. there is no reason that video should not be available for viewing on this site as such. even if the park dislikes that it was shot in not park property airspace showcasing the park property their is absolutely nothing they can do about it, and they're is as such no reason it shouldn't be allowed on this website just as the aerial photos from planes are allowed. *boom lawyered*

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2 hours ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

This kind of stuff is what drives people to Facebook and other sites for information and updates rather than here. 

And to those people I would say the same thing we say at work when someone complains about their job....don’t let the door hit you on the way out. ;)

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8 minutes ago, LovinMeSomeBanshee said:

Cedar Fair’s legal department can kick rocks.  Read up on the regulations for yourself.  Just because they ban the use of drones IN THE PARK doesn’t mean someone can’t fly one over it.  Kings Island (or any property owner, for that matter) does not own the airspace above their property.  

And like I said, this site catering to every whim of Kings Island, while claiming to be an independent site, is disingenuous at best.

It’s in the mods and admins best interest because it keeps them invited to events and media just like TPR. 

 

The funny thing here is I agree with posting whatever because it’s not Kings Islands page but I understand why they do it the way they do 

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Getting back to the topic of the mural near Antique Autos, I find it interesting that Zodiac is mentioned at least 2 or 3 times in the area (most while riding the Autos). It did bother me (as I wondered why advertisements for Zodiac would be used in such quick succession), but there could also be another reason why Zodiac is referenced so frequently. Time will tell...

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1 hour ago, fryoj said:

The park also doesn't like aerial photos from planes or nearmap images if you believe what's been posted here before. 

Your statement is misleading... 

The park didnt have a fit with the plane pictures. Mr. Showalter even told me in person that he liked seeing them, and even stated he would like to fly with us some day. What they did however have an issue with, was letting their "secrets" out. Here is a private message I received from him in regards to the pictures.

"The administrators of KIC and the other social channels (Instagram,Twitter, etc.)  you post on provide their own Terms of Service.  Of course our leadership is concerned when photos 'leak' that aren't in line with our messaging strategy, so I can offer the advice that if you see us talking about something on our social channels or blog, then it is safe to assume it's fair game."

So, cleared that up for you guys. 

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^it makes it less clear actually...so are photos of the blueprints allowed since they haven't been discussed on their social media stuff?  What about photos of the construction taking place - that hasn't been mentioned....

The clearer it is tried to be made, the less clear it gets....along with the rising frustration level of the forum members...

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45 minutes ago, APE said:

 

 

The park has every right to ban people from the park for violating its rules. They also don’t want copy cats going back and causing issues. This really isn’t hard to understand. Take all the pictures you want from a plane, tower anywhere really but drone flying over the park which is clearly seen in the video is not allowed by the park. And that drone is clearly over the KI property. 

 

What im trying to tell you is for the park this is a no no and the forum wants to keep a good relationship. Don’t be dense. 

I TOTALLY understand why they don't want drones over the park. This is not even remotely the same as flying over someone's property when they just don't want you to. Drones can be purchased by anyone for less than $100. Imagine kids or people who don't know what they are doing flying drones over people when one could fall, either by user error or drone malfunction, and seriously injure a person or falling or flying into a train full of people speeding by on a ride, or landing on a track. Just too many things that could cause serious injury or death if the no drone policy isn't strictly inforced. The high percentage of the general public having drones is still relatively new so laws haven't caught up yet. It is illigal in Cincinnati to fly them over parks for safety reasons, it just don't apply to KI. 

I don't know about the other stuff with the fountains people we're talking about, but I 100% understand KIC wanting to maintain a good relationship with the park as far as not hosting drone videos that went against park rules. It doesn't seem like a big deal until you get multiple people doing it, an accident happens, someone is injured (or worse, killed), and then KI is sued. Obviously a plane has a lisenced pilot and is a totally different story, so I'd rather just support people like @sixohdieselrage and @Captain Nemo who get us awesome footage without breaking KI rules. 

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57 minutes ago, APE said:

 

 

The park has every right to ban people from the park for violating its rules. They also don’t want copy cats going back and causing issues. This really isn’t hard to understand. Take all the pictures you want from a plane, tower anywhere really but drone flying over the park which is clearly seen in the video is not allowed by the park. And that drone is clearly over the KI property. 

 

What im trying to tell you is for the park this is a no no and the forum wants to keep a good relationship. Don’t be dense. 

The park can ban people for any reason. They don't need to be violating rules. They can not press charges or take any legal action over them flying a drone over an uninhabited area though. The FAA regulations on this have been posted. 

I know the park is against drones and the mods are going to do what the park asks. Nothing in my posts suggested otherwise.

As for being dense, I asked where the line between the park not allowing drones and the board deleting the vids and the park not wanting to talk about the new coaster but plans being posted here was, and you responded about a physical property line. :rolleyes:

18 minutes ago, sixohdieselrage said:

Your statement is misleading... 

The park didnt have a fit with the plane pictures. Mr. Showalter even told me in person that he liked seeing them, and even stated he would like to fly with us some day. What they did however have an issue with, was letting their "secrets" out. Here is a private message I received from him in regards to the pictures.

"The administrators of KIC and the other social channels (Instagram,Twitter, etc.)  you post on provide their own Terms of Service.  Of course our leadership is concerned when photos 'leak' that aren't in line with our messaging strategy, so I can offer the advice that if you see us talking about something on our social channels or blog, then it is safe to assume it's fair game."

So, cleared that up for you guys. 

Yeah, so what was the secret about the Firehawk plot they were wanting to protect after O'roukre had been posting vids all fall from there? The Nearmap pics of that site were deleted too. And we both know a fit was thrown about those pics. I've seen the screen caps...

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