Fisher 78 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 When I go to the park with the kids I scrounge the house for quarters and put them in a ziplock sandwich bag and spend them all at the cannons. Those days are over. Tokens only now. One token per shot. The token machine does not accept quarters. It accepts bills and credit cards. 2 tokens for a dollar or 12 tokens for a $5.00 swipe of the credit card. I had two singles with me, so we ended up not spending as much time or money there. On the positive side, the tokens are the same as the ones the park used a while back in the video arcades (with the Kings Island logo on them) so if you have some, you can use them here. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjcolglazier 1425 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 That's a total bummer. Not only is the park ripping off people for a randomly fun thing that benefits everyone, but they've made it 2-3 times as hard to rip said people off. Not cool. I can only hope they lose money compared to the basic 25c per shot. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FUN&ONLY! 2522 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Did the park at least fix the broken canyon blasters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MDMC01 8453 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I didn’t mind this change until it said $1 gets 2 tokens... that means you pay $.50 per shot when you used to pay $.25 per shot. Now, if $1 gave 4 tokens, I’d be fine with that... wonder why they didn’t keep the original exchange rate (but obviously with tokens)? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ldhudsonjr 1014 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Yeah that's pretty dumb. I don't think too many people are going to pay 50 cents for that. I see why they went with tokens though anyway just because people were probably not bringing change around the way they used to. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
standbyme 2777 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 At 25 cents my family wouldn’t mind spending a couple of bucks squirting random strangers after we got off the ride...at 50 cents a shot that probably won’t be happening much anymore. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyGuy4KI 14990 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 There is an easy fix to this. Have a few with the quarters, and a few with the tokens. (Is there enough of them to do that?) The ones using the tokens are probably not going to realize the quarter machines are cheaper, for they are not carrying change with them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magenta Lizard 18783 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 It isn’t helpful if people “just aren’t carrying change anymore,” because there was already a change machine there. It just has gone from providing quarters to providing tokens this year. Makes me wonder if servicing the machines and cannons, and dealing with change was costing the park more than the quarters were bringing in. Because this feels more like a way to discourage use of the cannons than a way to make more money, to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flightoffear1996 4161 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Install game card readers there maybe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klabergian Empire 1770 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 hours ago, IndyGuy4KI said: There is an easy fix to this. Have a few with the quarters, and a few with the tokens. (Is there enough of them to do that?) The ones using the tokens are probably not going to realize the quarter machines are cheaper, for they are not carrying change with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BoddaH1994 15091 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Magenta Lizard said: It isn’t helpful if people “just aren’t carrying change anymore,” because there was already a change machine there. It just has gone from providing quarters to providing tokens this year. Makes me wonder if servicing the machines and cannons, and dealing with change was costing the park more than the quarters were bringing in. Because this feels more like a way to discourage use of the cannons than a way to make more money, to me. I'd be willing to bet that house that the extra cost associated with tokens is offset and more by the fact that you are committed to shooting canons when you exchange money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winterfestguy 273 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Maybe one of the new season pass Fun Perks will be 2 tokens to the White Water Canton water blasters - a $1 value! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fryoj 4182 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Winterfestguy said: Maybe one of the new season pass Fun Perks will be 2 tokens to the White Water Canton water blasters - a $1 value! Half off two tokens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeastForever 6836 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The cold hard fundamental economic question is whether they can bring in at least 50% +1 of the previous usage with the new prices. If so, it is a net gain (not accounting for initial cost of tokens of course). If it is even 50% -1, it is a net loss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjcolglazier 1425 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Not to make TOO BIG a deal about it, but I feel like this would've been one of those times to take the "L", and let folks have fun for 25-cents per shot. Ohh, well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonnaFan 24 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 hours ago, bjcolglazier said: Not to make TOO BIG a deal about it, but I feel like this would've been one of those times to take the "L", and let folks have fun for 25-cents per shot. Ohh, well. Seriously, this. I already feel nickle and dimed. Now I feel drawn and quartered. Similarly, I couldn't believe that a Smurf cone is $6.50 with sprinkles. They charge $1.35 for SPRINKLES. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua 2573 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 hours ago, bjcolglazier said: Not to make TOO BIG a deal about it, but I feel like this would've been one of those times to take the "L", and let folks have fun for 25-cents per shot. Ohh, well. I agree. This is the kind of experience that is only good for a mild kick and people will happily do it for a quarter. But if you charge too much, the average person will probably just walk on by. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fryoj 4182 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Yeah, before, there was a decent chance you had a couple quarters in your pocket. Now you have no choice but to go to the change machine. Pass Quote Link to post Share on other sites
malem 19847 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 A big motivation for this change was likely to reduce the need to move currency around, making security easier. Also, $0.25 is worth less than it used to be. I would have preferred that they put game card readers on the geysers, but tokens are an easier retrofit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
standbyme 2777 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, malem said: Also, $0.25 is worth less than it used to be. True...but doubling it?! (My paycheck hasn’t doubled in the last 15 years!) They could have at least made it 3 tokens for a dollar, that percentage of an increase would have been more realistic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
medford 4392 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 In my opinion, that aspect of the ride always separated WWC from any other ride in the park, there was true "guest interaction" with each other. I don't know if the change in cost/format has lead to more or less people blasting the canyons, but if its less (and I can only imagine that it is) that lessens the ride to an extent, makes it less fun, makes people possibly want to ride it less because they don't feel the need to get back at another guest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fryoj 4182 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 hours ago, malem said: A big motivation for this change was likely to reduce the need to move currency around, making security easier. Also, $0.25 is worth less than it used to be. I would have preferred that they put game card readers on the geysers, but tokens are an easier retrofit. That kind of business explanation usually doesn't hold up tp scrutiny. For that to be accurate, the machines would have to have been filling up daily and could not wait till after hours to be emptied out. I have serious doubts that they were that popular. If they are that popular, switching over to tokens means that the bill changer where you get tokens is much more likely to need emptied out during the day as people have to get tokens rather than using change they already had. If anything, the change would lead to more currency being moved around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
malem 19847 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 ^ I doubt the machines were filling up during the day. Since tokens aren't currency, the associated security implications can be avoided. 6 hours ago, standbyme said: True...but doubling it?! (My paycheck hasn’t doubled in the last 15 years!) They could have at least made it 3 tokens for a dollar, that percentage of an increase would have been more realistic. Yeah, it's annoying, but it's not inconsistent with other price increases in the industry. Fifteen years ago, KI gate admission was $42.99. Today, it's 67% higher at $72 - curiously the same percentage increase as the WWC geysers when purchased 12 at a time ($0.25 to $0.417). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fryoj 4182 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, malem said: ^ I doubt the machines were filling up during the day. Since tokens aren't currency, the associated security implications can be avoided. I'm not sure you understood my point. If they weren't filling up during the day, they could be emptied after the park closed or before it opened for the day removing the security implications. They still have to move the cash from the coin changers regardless. Going to tokens means more cash is likely to be in the machines. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brent 271 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 What would be the harm in FREE? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magenta Lizard 18783 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 The only problem I could really see with free is that decorum and fair play often goes out the window once something is free. It would probably end up being a few obnoxious jockeys hogging the stations and not letting others have turns. It definitely would remove the cost of servicing the change machine and coin boxes. It may increase the cost of servicing the actual cannons since they’d probably get a lot more use, tho. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua 2573 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 My guess is those cannons would become operator controlled rather than being free to guests.* *If that's possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FoF96" 1900 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 ^or photo eye rigged by the boat itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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