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While talking about combining dives with traditional looping coasters I went planet coaster and created this:

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Basically what I just made it 175 feet high and gave it a 170 ft drop. I gave the coaster 7 inversions and drew them out a little bit more for hangtime. The length is around 3,000ft long and has a top speed of 67 mph. I didn't give it a mcbr because I wanted to see how it was paced and it rode fine. Of course the elements would have to be tighter and the height would have to be shorter to make it a true dive-looper but that takes a better mind than mine to figure out.

This ride would have a pretty big price-tag so it would have to be shorter than what I've made to keep it closer to the mid- to- high $20 millions. When you look at it its basically a larger, faster, longer, higher capacity euro-fighter by B&M.

I would be fine with something like this replacing Vortex as well; I even built it with the plot of land in mind until I got carried away with the cutback after the sea-serpent element. It would knock out the need for a 90 degree drop as well as gain back some of the inversions we lost these past two years.

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8 hours ago, Shawn Meyer said:

Well if they ever wanted to replace Vortex in a similar way that it was designed or layed out, a B&M floorless is the answer. Now Kings Island is more of a family park compared to Cedar Point. I'm happy Orion was installed, but I imagine they're going to build something the whole family will enjoy. If they decide to build an RMC ground up, they could make that less intense than Steel Vengeance at Cedar Point, so the whole family will enjoy it. I just want them to throw a loop in there to pay tribute to Vortex. If they go with a B&M floorless, they have a better chance of going back to back with the loops to give it that look that area of the park just lost.

While I agree, I don’t think I would classify even the smallest RMC as a family coaster. If the park wanted to build a family coaster, they should build something like Cobra’s Curse or Slinky Dog Dash (would be redundant with Backlot Stunt Coaster nearby). Anything above 100 feet or contains inversions really isn’t a true family coaster regardless of what some enthusiasts might say.

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On 5/9/2020 at 10:05 PM, FUN&ONLY! said:

While I agree, I don’t think I would classify even the smallest RMC as a family coaster. If the park wanted to build a family coaster, they should build something like Cobra’s Curse or Slinky Dog Dash (would be redundant with Backlot Stunt Coaster nearby). Anything above 100 feet or contains inversions really isn’t a true family coaster regardless of what some enthusiasts might say.

what about mystic? It’s over 100 feet but I’d definitely say it is a mid-range or family coaster. 

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1 hour ago, MrSourNinja said:

what about mystic? It’s over 100 feet but I’d definitely say it is a mid-range or family coaster. 

I used to think that. Mystic was built with families in mind but I do not consider it a family coaster like I would consider Adventure Express or Backlot family coasters. For me its in between Racer and The Beast in terms of intensity. Mystic and Racer have the same speed but Mystic has more intense airtime and pretty rapid transitions. I consider Racer to be more of a family coaster compared to Mystic. 

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2 hours ago, SonofBaconator said:

I used to think that. Mystic was built with families in mind but I do not consider it a family coaster like I would consider Adventure Express or Backlot family coasters. For me its in between Racer and The Beast in terms of intensity. Mystic and Racer have the same speed but Mystic has more intense airtime and pretty rapid transitions. I consider Racer to be more of a family coaster compared to Mystic. 

I agree with this. Mystic Timbers is in between a family coaster and an extreme coaster due to its high intensity. It is far above The Racer, The Bat, and Adventure Express in terms of its aggressiveness.

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7 hours ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

I agree with this. Mystic Timbers is in between a family coaster and an extreme coaster due to its high intensity. It is far above The Racer, The Bat, and Adventure Express in terms of its aggressiveness.

I wouldn’t necessarily disagree either but BLSC has some high positive Gs in that first helix for it to be a family coaster. I’d say that part alone is more intense than any of mystic. Overall intensity is lower for BLSC though. Just depends if you look at overall or the most intense part. 

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10 hours ago, SonofBaconator said:

I used to think that. Mystic was built with families in mind but I do not consider it a family coaster like I would consider Adventure Express or Backlot family coasters. For me its in between Racer and The Beast in terms of intensity. Mystic and Racer have the same speed but Mystic has more intense airtime and pretty rapid transitions. I consider Racer to be more of a family coaster compared to Mystic. 

Mystic has intense airtime?  What would you call El Toro's?  Mystic is just as intense as Invadr @ bgw, and its considered a family coaster with a lower height limit.

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1 hour ago, coaster sally said:

Mystic has intense airtime?  What would you call El Toro's?  Mystic is just as intense as Invadr @ bgw, and its considered a family coaster with a lower height limit.

I'm comparing it to other coasters in Kings Island, not to other parks.

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Mystic has intense airtime?  What would you call El Toro's?  Mystic is just as intense as Invadr @ bgw, and its considered a family coaster with a lower height limit.
I did not find Invadr intense at all, nor did I feel much air.

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Evidently, but not surprisingly, it seem there's vast disagreement with regards to what classifies "family" intermediate, "thrill", or "high-thrill" rides and where the distinctions between all of them are set. And that's fine. We all define things differently...

But that having said, to those who consider Mystic Timbers to be little more than a family coaster, I'm curious to know what scale of ride you consider Gold Striker, Thunderhead, Renegade, Prowler, Apocalypse etc?

Because by every relevant dimension - height, speed, length, drop, angle etc. - all of MT's stats are basically equivalent to, if not greater than, all the aforementioned coasters. Yet it seems only Mystic Timbers receives the subtly deprecating/diminishing connotation of .... "family" that the other ones don't.

In fact, would you believe that it just so happens to be the second-tallest GCI in the world behind only the outlier Wodan?

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Now of course, that isn't to say that the ride is not popular with families. It is. (inherently, all successful rides are made with "family" audience in mind to some extent, in that they have to be acceptable to a general population of guests)

The problem I have with it receiving the "family" mark is when its used in the pejorative sense (as is the case sometimes)...

And then there's the issue of, if Mystic is one of GCI's "family coasters", (despite it being the tallest, one of the fastest, and one of the longest in North America), then what does that make what I consider to be their true family coasters in InvadR, Wicker Man, White Lightning etc.?

 

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Evidently, but not surprisingly, it seem there's vast disagreement with regards to what classifies "family" intermediate, "thrill", or "high-thrill" rides and where the distinctions between all of them are set. And that's fine. We all define things differently...

But that having said, to those who consider Mystic Timbers to be little more than a family coaster, I'm curious to know what scale of ride you consider Gold Striker, Thunderhead, Renegade, Prowler, Apocalypse etc?

Because in every relevant dimension - height, speed, length, drop, angle etc. - all of MT's stats are basically equivalent to, if not greater than, all the aforementioned coasters. Yet it seems only Mystic Timbers receives the subtly deprecating/diminishing connotation of .... "family" that the other ones don't.

In fact, would you believe that it just so happens to be the second-tallest GCI in the world behind only the outlier Wodan?

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Now of course, that isn't to say that the ride is not popular with families. It is. (inherently, all successful rides are made with "family" audience in mind to some extent, in that they have to be acceptable to a general population of guests)

The problem I have with it receiving the "family" mark is when its used in the pejorative sense (as is the case sometimes)...

And then there's the issue of, if Mystic is one of GCI's "family coasters", (despite it being the tallest, one of the fastest, and one of the longest in North America), then what does that make what I consider to be their true family coasters in InvadR, Wicker Man, White Lightning etc.?

 

yeah i’d have to agree there, Mystic is not a family coaster and shouldn’t be marked as one... it’s still high thrill... just because it’s 109 ft tall does not make it a family coaster... if that was the case then Copperhead Strike would be considered one, and let me tell you that’s NOT a family coaster... oh and Maverick... both of which are WAY too intense to be family coasters...

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On 5/14/2020 at 6:08 PM, Marc3E said:

yeah i’d have to agree there, Mystic is not a family coaster and shouldn’t be marked as one... it’s still high thrill... just because it’s 109 ft tall does not make it a family coaster... if that was the case then Copperhead Strike would be considered one, and let me tell you that’s NOT a family coaster... oh and Maverick... both of which are WAY too intense to be family coasters...

I agree. Mystic has some great air time and its back to back elements really doesn't dictate the "family" coaster title. I used the name "family" earlier in the thread but not in a negative connotation. More in the sense that it isn't overly huge compared to some steel coaster and also does no inversions. With height and inversions being the biggest barriers to entry for teens or kids, mystic is a "family" attraction that provides thrill ride thrills.

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Also people assume the term "family" means kids when it doesn't. Family, in my opinion, means an attraction that the younger kids can ride with their grandparents.

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