Delirium13 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Really? Please explain to me why such restraints or trains weren't necessary on Mr. Schwarzkoph's wonderful creations like Shockwave at Six Flags Over Texas, Sooper Dooper Looper at Hersheypark, Mindbender at Six Flags Over Georgia or even Greezed Lightnin at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom nee Viper at SFOG and Tidal Wave at SFGAm! http://www.rcdb.com/ig28.htm?picture=3 Here's a better picture of the restraints: http://www.rcdb.com/ig75.htm?picture=23 (that was Tidal Wave (later known as Greased Lightnin) at [Paramount's] Marriott's Great America) Perhaps it wasn't the restraints that were necessary for that loop, but that only some (one?) manufacturer(s) was/were willing to assume certain risks in selling trains for a wooden coaster with a loop...perhaps they were in fear of some sort of accident occurring, ironically in the loop.... I meant that without the loop they could possibly put trains that most wooden coasters have, therefore leading to a more comfortable ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Agreed...and trains that didn't weigh quite so much, thus reducing maintenance costs...among other things.. And perhaps even trains that didn't shuffle quite so badly, if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium13 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I know what you mean about the trains shuffling. I was riding once this summer and the car in front of us was completely empty and the car was jumping and shaking more than I had ever seen on any rollercoaster before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 (edited) If you look very hard in picture you can still see the loop. Its hard to see but you can make it out. Look in the red box that I have added. Edited December 10, 2006 by Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium13 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Look closely here: There could be a lot of things in the picture causing it to look like that, but who knows. -Sorry for the size of the second one, but I think it makes it a little easier to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 If you look very hard in picture you can still see the loop. Its hard to see but you can make it out. Look in the red box that I have added. I don't know-I thought that might have been so at once, but on closer look, I am pretty sure that was one of the loops in Vortex-I can't be 100% sure though. The pics are bad-but in person, I am pretty sure that was Vortex. If you look very hard in picture you can still see the loop. Its hard to see but you can make it out. Look in the red box that I have added. after going half blind on it, I don't think the scale is right-it could be Son's loop, but I think it is Vortex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Just because I am sitting here with nothing else to do , I looked up a satellite image of the park. I don't see any way when you sight a line through TG at that angle and look at SOB, that any of The Vortex would be visible. If that is a loop, I believe it has to be SOB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Just because I am sitting here with nothing else to do , I looked up a satellite image of the park. I don't see any way when you sight a line through TG at that angle and look at SOB, that any of The Vortex would be visible. If that is a loop, I believe it has to be SOB's. Could be-looked different in person.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Actually, on the far right of that last pic, I believe that's Vortex's lift hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Attack! Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I went to that exact spot a couple of days ago and even climbed up on top of the hill of straw, I couldn't see anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersNSich Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Before going to The Beach Waterpark's Holiday Fest, I decided to get a closer look at Son of Beast as possible. I first stopped at the passenger drop-off, but couldn't see much there. (As a side note, there's a sign on the north parking lot exit gates, which were reconfigured as part of the Great Wolf Lodge project, that said "Kings Island CLOSED" - no "Paramount" on it.) Next, I drove on the road near the Kings High School compex and GWL, getting as close to the park as possible without trespassing. From this angle, I tried looking as hard as possible for the Son of Beast loop - or lack thereof. This loop has to have had some height to it - the fact that I couldn't see it is either because of the trees or that this loop is indeed gone. I could see some sort of circular object sticking out in that questionable area, but it looked far more like The Racer's lift hill. Is this simply a rebuilding project, or are they doing that so better trains that can't handle inversions could be installed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I didn't see anything at SOB when I went to the Beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywriter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I didn't see anything at SOB when I went to the Beach. this is probably so stupid but on Google earth I found it with the loop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Google Earth isn't live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywriter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Google Earth isn't live. Yeah I know.Still if the loop is really gone this pic my in the future be worth something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersNSich Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 At least somebody is using the Google on the . Too bad that maps on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I didn't see anything at SOB when I went to the Beach. this is probably so stupid but on Google earth I found it with the loop Google rocks..... I'm tired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Internets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Google Earth isn't live. Yeah, the pics are inconclusive-all I can say is at all angles I went-pics or not-I never did find the loop. The last salt covered pic is the one I focused on-the loop should have been visible in that one, and it wasn't. That is why I am wondering if it really is gone. Truthfully, I am surprised the pics came out as well as they did. The last pic was shoot and scoot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 (edited) So How many members have took the time to go and hunt for a loop in the middle of December? The fact that not one member has been able to get a glimpse of it either by eye site or photograph has got to start to say something so much so that I’m going to say that I stongly believe the loop is gone at this point, unless I see photo proof or hear of an eye witness report that it is still there. Edited December 10, 2006 by Avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 ^Why "should" it have been visible? Where were you in the car considering you cant get in the parking lot. The picture where I had a pic of the loop from last year was taken deep into the parking lot at the bottom of the slope. You had to be IN the parking lot, not by the tolls or pick up drop off area. I had permission to be there last year and was even with security when I took them. That was the only angle I got the loop in. Not that I dont appreciate your efforts kiwi, I do but I think its safe to say that the loop can only definently be seen from one close angle of the parking lot, and to get to that angle you must have permission to be in that patking lot. I was able to get some pictures friday night from Kings High School and the great wolf lodge, I did not tresspass on anyone property and I will post them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Yes, I agree. The angles from over by GWL are not the best as the loop would be located close to the grade line, which means that it would be obscured by trees and foliage. I mean, look at this picture I took back in the Spring of 2004 from Top Gun`s queue line looking towards Son of Beast. The loop is barely visible. And from GWL, the land is even higher up, which would make spotting the loop even more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 One thing is for SURE. The park (and Cedar Fair) DOES read this site. NO ONE should be trespassing on park property. You will notice that security has responded quickly in several instances of people being near park property in this thread. Know that Cedar Fair takes violations of law VERY seriously. There can be no assurance that all an interluder who actually enters park property without authority would get is a warning. . .they may well prosecute. As for the rapid security responses, that means one of three (or more) things: * Security does a great job...and under Cedar Fair has a heightened interest in protecting the property from intruders of who knows what intent. * Security has been instructed to be on the lookout for peeping photographers looking for a loop (I hope they didn't call them 'loopy'). * Security has been told there are major changes going on in the park, that peeping photographers would be looking all off season to post scoops on the Internet, and that their job is help to ensure the grand secrets of the Cedar Fair transformation are not leaked. As for Internets, that comment was really bush league. (For those who didn't notice, CoasterNSich even gave us clickable links...) Ho. Ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Well it’s always good to see support for a sitting president. I am particularly glad that he decided to use Maria Bartiromo (the "Money Honey") to help us get through those Bush leagues ooop’s I was distracted I meant links. It seems that loop spotting trip reports have taken the place of the Winterfest trip reports and has became a new sport. See what happens when Park Enthusiast are kept in the dark for so loooong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 One thing is for SURE. The park (and Cedar Fair) DOES read this site. NO ONE should be trespassing on park property. You will notice that security has responded quickly in several instances of people being near park property in this thread. Know that Cedar Fair takes violations of law VERY seriously. There can be no assurance that all an interluder who actually enters park property without authority would get is a warning. . .they may well prosecute. As for the rapid security responses, that means one of three (or more) things: * Security does a great job...and under Cedar Fair has a heightened interest in protecting the property from intruders of who knows what intent. * Security has been instructed to be on the lookout for peeping photographers looking for a loop (I hope they didn't call them 'loopy'). * Security has been told there are major changes going on in the park, that peeping photographers would be looking all off season to post scoops on the Internet, and that their job is help to ensure the grand secrets of the Cedar Fair transformation are not leaked. As for Internets, that comment was really bush league. (For those who didn't notice, CoasterNSich even gave us clickable links...) Ho. Ho. You know what though? If you think about it, this is great marketing for the transformation of the "new Son of Beast". I would never trespass through any gates, but from GWL it is very visible. BTW when I was there yesterday, it looked to me as if people were checking in to the lodge-are you sure the opening hasn't been moved up a few days?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 One thing is for SURE. The park (and Cedar Fair) DOES read this site. NO ONE should be trespassing on park property. You will notice that security has responded quickly in several instances of people being near park property in this thread. Know that Cedar Fair takes violations of law VERY seriously. There can be no assurance that all an interluder who actually enters park property without authority would get is a warning. . .they may well prosecute. As for the rapid security responses, that means one of three (or more) things: * Security does a great job...and under Cedar Fair has a heightened interest in protecting the property from intruders of who knows what intent. * Security has been instructed to be on the lookout for peeping photographers looking for a loop (I hope they didn't call them 'loopy'). * Security has been told there are major changes going on in the park, that peeping photographers would be looking all off season to post scoops on the Internet, and that their job is help to ensure the grand secrets of the Cedar Fair transformation are not leaked. As for Internets, that comment was really bush league. (For those who didn't notice, CoasterNSich even gave us clickable links...) Ho. Ho. Evidently, they can't stop planes from flying over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Yep. Now if a recent aerial shot was shown without that feature, that'd throw a lot of people for a loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 If a recent Ariel shot showed pictures of the loop still standing , I know one thing for sure; It would definitely clear us out of this thread and back into another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Nah: * Some would claim the photo was not, in fact, recent, but an older picture with either retouching to make it appear more recent or a faked date, or both. * Some would say they are testing it both ways: with and without the loop. * Some would choose to ignore the evidence and stick with their usual theories of conspiracy. * Some would argue what Paramount Parks would or would not have done. * Some would post long diatribes about why the loop SHOULD have been removed, and try to change Cedar Fair's mind. * Some would try to interpret, and post a list of things...something like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywriter Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Nah: * Some would claim the photo was not, in fact, recent, but an older picture with either retouching to make it appear more recent or a faked date, or both. * Some would say they are testing it both ways: with and without the loop. * Some would choose to ignore the evidence and stick with their usual theories of conspiracy. * Some would argue what Paramount Parks would or would not have done. * Some would post long diatribes about why the loop SHOULD have been removed, and try to change Cedar Fair's mind. * Some would try to interpret, and post a list of things...something like this one. To a point that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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