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hah, i dont want it to go away, I just dont want it to have another location inside the park, especially not one where a better alternative could be positioned, like in the IR for example. but, yah I would keep all the starbucks, people luvv coffee :/

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I do believe I was told more than once that that gate structure which includes the IR was to be replaced soon had Paramount Parks continued as the owner of the parks...

Also, in the amusement business, it is traditional that when more people want to do something than you have capacity for, you raise the price to maximize profit, (and when less do, you drop the price. Skycoaster, anyone?)

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Somebody said on here that the design of the entrance gate give the feeling of compression/then being "released" into IS. I would have to say thats my favorite part of my day at KI. Hearing the music, and then stepping out into IS.

I hope the entrance gate doesn't go anywhere!

Starbucks in the IR location is interesting. Great view, and people can hit it first thing in the morning (I know I would!!).

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Yah, i like that feeling too! Disneys parks are set up like that, you go turnstiles and come to almost a gathering area to wait for the rest of your family and as they come out you look up and see the landmark, then you walk forward for a picture, and as you get to the landmark, you can see the whole park, I love that feeling!

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I think the current space at the old International Street restaurant is way to small for a new table service restaurant. I mean back in the 70’s when the restaurant was built it was designed to serve a certain amount of guest on any given day. I do believe that with a larger park and attendance numbers that the old space would be to small to accommodate adequately for the guest who would like to dine there.

The space is certainly more than adequate to open and serve the park of today. Essentially, the park is more spread out than it was in the 70's, 80's and 90's but has the same guest flow.

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It is no easy task to simply add in an elevetor to bring the IR up to ADA compliance. Construction and design issues are very complex when adding in an elevator to meet ADA standards. But if they wish to open up the IR as any sort of table service new restaurant, they will likely have to include an elevator in any renovations that they do. Especially with the more stringent ADA codes that are slated to go into effect in the near future.

For any one curious as to what the new ADA codes entail, here is a link to the online accessibility guidelines. Chapter ten deals with recreational facilities, and more specifically, section 2 of chapter ten deals with amusement park rides. (Although it is rather boring reading). These ADA standards are not law as of yet, but will be as soon as the Department of Justice adopts them as enforceable standards (who knows when that will be).

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It is no easy task to simply add in an elevetor to bring the IR up to ADA compliance. Construction and design issues are very complex when adding in an elevator to meet ADA standards. But if they wish to open up the IR as any sort of table service new restaurant, they will likely have to include an elevator in any renovations that they do. Especially with the more stringent ADA codes that are slated to go into effect in the near future.

For any one curious as to what the new ADA codes entail, here is a link to the online accessibility guidelines. Chapter ten deals with recreational facilities, and more specifically, section 2 of chapter ten deals with amusement park rides. (Although it is rather boring reading). These ADA standards are not law as of yet, but will be as soon as the Department of Justice adopts them as enforceable standards (who knows when that will be).

actually IR has an elevator. granted it is a service elevator that is very slow. and no i didn't read your guidlines. but maybe they could get by just because it exists. and if someone needs to get up to IR an employee can escort them to the elevator.

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^Getting around the law is not that simple, they USED to do that, and it was not a very popular option once the ADA laws were passed, remember the ADA laws were passed so that persons with dissabilities would be able to live and work in a more friendly enviroment that met their needs as well as the needs of others. Just because your in a wheel chair why should you be forced through some back hallway or kitchen to get to a service elevator that, yes I've been on, is not the cleanest thing in the world and empties into a little storage facility then out into a park back lot. Even if you dont care how clean the elvator is or whatever theres still the issue of a fire. If a fire breaks out in the kitchen, where it most likely would, elevator access is cut off, while the stairs are still fully accessible.

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Combat, although you make some good points, an elevator is NEVER to be used as an exit during a fire. In fact, modern fire alarm systems immediately take all the elevators to the exit floor and make them inoperable until fire fighting personnel and/or building authorities arrive at the scene...

A facility must also have a plan for evacuating the disabled but WITHOUT using an elevator...

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And why again would it need expanded? Just because it is a smaller restuarant that won't seat a ton of guests doesn't mean that it isn't the right size now. For example think of some of the table dinning resturants at Disney parks. Some have less than 50 tables. But one main difference is the food and the experience are top notch and that is why they are always full. That is what really needs to happen to make the IR work. You have to have a great menu and a great staff and the rest will work itself out. Plus wouldn't it feel nice as a guest to be one of the "select" group that got to eat there that night? Just my 2 cents worth.

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Well besides using a traditional style elevator, would it not be possible to use one of the wheelchair staircase lifts? I know that when my highschool reopened the original highschool from the 1950's that part of the remodel process was making it ADA compliant. It is a 3 story building with no elevator so for disabled students they put in a wheelchair lift that would run along the center hand rail of the stair case and lift students from the 1st to 3rd floors with no problem. Would this not meet the same ADA guidelines as having an elevator?
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a. I doubt the existing stairwell is wide enough to safely accommodate that system.

b. I bet the high school you speak of was on the National Register of Historic Places. When a building is on the Register, sometimes it is possible to work in other solutions that might not otherwise be acceptable, in an attempt to, as much as possible, protect historic integrity AND assure universal access. I doubt that main gate building is on the Register... and for other reasons Cedar Fair may not want to seek listing.

c. The coming regulation changes make such a solution far more difficult, if not impossible. One of the things that is looked at even now is "reasonable accommodation" given the resources of the building owner and the extent of the remodeling. Given who the owner is and the extent of changes most probably necessary in order to reopen, I doubt such a solution would be looked upon favorably. One of the problems is that any disabled visitor who is unhappy with the access can bring an action against the company. Avoiding that litigation in advance is usually far simpler than even successfully defending such an action.

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Combat, although you make some good points, an elevator is NEVER to be used as an exit during a fire. In fact, modern fire alarm systems immediately take all the elevators to the exit floor and make them inoperable until fire fighting personnel and/or building authorities arrive at the scene...

A facility must also have a plan for evacuating the disabled but WITHOUT using an elevator...

Toss Em From the Roof? <G>

a. I doubt the existing stairwell is wide enough to safely accommodate that system.

b. I bet the high school you speak of was on the National Register of Historic Places. When a building is on the Register, sometimes it is possible to work in other solutions that might not otherwise be acceptable, in an attempt to, as much as possible, protect historic integrity AND assure universal access. I doubt that main gate building is on the Register... and for other reasons Cedar Fair may not want to seek listing.

c. The coming regulation changes make such a solution far more difficult, if not impossible. One of the things that is looked at even now is "reasonable accommodation" given the resources of the building owner and the extent of the remodeling. Given who the owner is and the extent of changes most probably necessary in order to reopen, I doubt such a solution would be looked upon favorably. One of the problems is that any disabled visitor who is unhappy with the access can bring an action against the company. Avoiding that litigation in advance is usually far simpler than even successfully defending such an action.

Sad that it seems historic locations seem to be given the shaft.

What is considered reasonable is certainly becoming anything but.

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a. I doubt the existing stairwell is wide enough to safely accommodate that system.

b. I bet the high school you speak of was on the National Register of Historic Places. When a building is on the Register, sometimes it is possible to work in other solutions that might not otherwise be acceptable, in an attempt to, as much as possible, protect historic integrity AND assure universal access. I doubt that main gate building is on the Register... and for other reasons Cedar Fair may not want to seek listing.

c. The coming regulation changes make such a solution far more difficult, if not impossible. One of the things that is looked at even now is "reasonable accommodation" given the resources of the building owner and the extent of the remodeling. Given who the owner is and the extent of changes most probably necessary in order to reopen, I doubt such a solution would be looked upon favorably. One of the problems is that any disabled visitor who is unhappy with the access can bring an action against the company. Avoiding that litigation in advance is usually far simpler than even successfully defending such an action.

Actually the building is not on the National Register of Historic Places and the Stair Case that the wheel chair lift was located on was in a small stair well very similar to that of International Restuarant. Without meassuring or even knowing the dimensions I dont know if it would fit, but the stair wells are very similar. So what it really comes down to is would a chair lift of this nature be acceptable instead of an elevator? Thats the true question.

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Well it is not just a question of will the stair lift accomodate the ADA. There are other issues to consider, one of which is aesthetics. Those chair lifts are not the most beautriful things to see. Additionally, if one of those is installed, they would still have to make sure that there is ample egress width in the stair. Installing such lifts impose on the stair width and could, effectively render the building out of compliance with egress codes, which would mean that that option would be a no go.

It is frowned upon to have seperate entrances for those with dissabilities. Everyone, should be able to use the same entrance to a building, regardless of whether they are able bodied or not. Notice that FoF has a wheel chair lift, so that a person in a wheel chair could wait through the queue line with their party, and be lifted up by the wheel chair to get into the UFO. However, I have never seen that occur, as they most often will simply use the exit to access the ride.

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i wouldn't worry about IR anymore. they were going to put in a tgi fridays, but it fell through. then there were plans for another restaurant but last i heard that fell through too. so last i heard it is still commissary and picnic grove offices.

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It won't be anything this year. They planned on a new restaurant this year but that was before Firehawk... I think we got the long end of the stick on this one.

especially if it was going to be Dave's...

--The Interpreter, fancier of the REAL Montgomery Inn ribs (and even better yet, the MoonLite Bar-B-Q Inn!)

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In my opinion it really does not matter what the name of the place is or what they will serve there, because the same number of guest will eat there, no matter what just because of it’s location.

But if they wanted a restaurant that guest would reserve prior to coming to the park and 1-2 hour waits to be seated, a true high demand restaurant . Then they need to get creative and quite looking at chains or we did that up there restaurants. Something like Disney does with theirs like Sci Fi

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It can be something related to the Cincinnati area or about the theme parks in general, just make it truly unique. It is sitting on International street and if they are going to put a sit down restaurant on International street then name the restaurant to a particular country and really do it up and serve that counties food recipes.

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Each of the buildings represents a European country, therefore, each should/ could provide food/snacks from that country....hence.....Why not build a restaurant above each building that flows from one end of International Street to the other... kind of like City Walk with brand name shops below. Of course, there would need to be access ramps and elevators, perhaps escalators.

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