silver2005

Also include better food service, a repaved parking lot, repainting Racer, hopefully no razing of RFYLCB, and smoothing out the bad parts of the new entrance and we'll have a winner.

For those of us who don't speak construction, could someone who knows such post what the different colors of the markers mean?

Bolliger and Mabillard is a fine company who delivers consistent, reliable, and popular products. Regardless of how enthusiasts view them, the GP absolutely eats them up. They do their homework very well when trying something new. Parks know what they're getting when they sign up for a B&M ride. As for my personal view of their rides, I haven't ridden a B&M that I didn't like. Granted, my B&M list is pretty small (7 total, I've not ridden any of B&M's sit down looping, flying, giga, wing or dive coasters), but I'd expect I'd like about any other of their rides in some way, or at least some aspects of their rides.

^If you read here enough, you'll learn why, and its a pretty rational chain of events to lead them that way. Just sayin'. Is it really that hard to accept that Cedar Fair nor Six Flags are willing to work with Intamin? Why aren't you guys railing on Intamin, if you like them so much, for making better products or having better safety standards?

If any fan base should know how pushing the limits on a woodie usually go, shouldn't it be us considering our park just parted from one that tried to do just that not too long ago? KI does not want SOB 2.0, which is what I think GG is heading towards as a company. GCI has a pretty clean track record with their coasters (sans Gwazi, but they've certainly gotten better since then).

My point is, KI has been catering to thrill seekers for the last few coaster installations. Its time they focus on wider demographics.

^Because for some of us (including yours truly), no matter if KI labels it as such, it isn't a coaster.

So you couldn't name a park with a better lineup of family coasters? That's about what I expected.You're asking for a coaster to fit a very specific age gap that covers about 2 years of age, for a park that already has a couple coasters that fit that exact age range. I just don't understand how people can say that's KI's biggest coaster gap. Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk Let's go over what many people consider to be KI's 'family coasters'. First off, I will give you Bat, Flying Aces, and Woodstock Express. Adventure Express- Awfully jerky for a family coaster with Arrow's jerks and bumps (that's why its a 5 on the thrill index people, its about body control and the sudden forces), it may not be to you, an enthusiast who's ridden it a lot, but its a big thing I hear from the GP (I listen and observe GP all the time when I go, its part of why I'm into psychology as a major) Backlot- As stated earlier- a grey out inducing helix, the sudden s-curves (especially before the drop that leads to the helicopter scene), and a pretty sudden launch Along with the height restrictions, I'm also thinking of rides that aren't as strong on the different g-forces and/or are shorter in height. Something like Jaguar at Knott's or a Mack Wild Mouse, a coaster that can be a 3 or 4 on KI's scale. Most GP will judge a ride on those type of signs. I mean come on, KI's last 4 coasters (Backlot, Firehawk, Diamondback, Banshee) were all high thrill rides. Also, some older folks who still like coasters don't ride a lot at KI because they lack rides that aren't as forceful. Why shouldn't KI cater to those demographics?

Right now, I'm aiming for one of the dates of June 15, 17, 22, or 24 for going to the Hartland. I'm aiming for the week after July 4th to go to Santa Claus, IN. I'm giving myself 4 days for HW, one to travel there, 2 for the actual park visit, and 1 to drive back and give myself R&R before working the next day.

Well, for one, Kings Island's last family coaster was arguably what's now Flying Aces, which, a bunch of those attractions since Adventure Express were either specifically for the kids area or have/had a 50+ inch requirement. There's been a severe lack of rides in the middle ground added since Adventure Express (which started at 44" for its requirement along with Racer having that mark as well, there was a big surge of anger from the GP when they got moved up to 48"). And before you say Backlot, I don't consider a coaster with a grey out inducing helix to be a true family coaster, not to mention its capacity is terrible. There's a big gap between rides that are Planet Snoopy-esque and the rides with a 48" height requirement. Sure, the flats in Coney Mall, Woodstock Express, Flying Aces, and a few others, but there's not much else, and certainly not another coaster that fits that bill. That's not a lot for a park the size and stature of Kings Island.

A few things while I've been looking up things- 1) While early, RCDB is saying the dive coaster for Happy Valley is 6 across- link 2) the 3 currently with the 6 across are at smaller European parks (Heide Park's Krake, Gardaland's Oblivion, and Efteling's Baron 1898) and are also quite smaller and shorter than many of the other ones, my presumption is that was what those parks wanted and gauged that decision based on their attendance While I won't rule out KI's project/next coaster possibly being a B&M coaster, I'm leaning away from Dive Coaster or Wing Coaster as being what it'll be. One aspect we should understand that I think is being overlooked is with all of the prototype rides Paramount added, Kings Island lacked a lot of the staple coaster types that a lot of big parks have, which is why I think we got Diamondback and Banshee. While a giga isn't out of the question, I think Kings Island could use a modern wood coaster as well, and probably more in need of a family coaster which is why I'm not ruling out a Mack product either. Just because you guys want this to be a certain type of attraction doesn't mean you rule out everything else. We have a clear lack of evidence to be ruling anything out at this stage.

But keep in mind that a few of the newer Dive Machines B&M has made have only 6 across on their trains and the track looks fairly similar to the track they use on their coasters that are 4 across.

Another idea about the whole pizza situation is they could give guests some sort of special receipt/ticket and have employees walk it out to guests. It'd be a bit difficult at the I-Street location, but I could see Festhaus and RT LaRosa's pulling it off.

Steel Dragon 2000 already kinda does. It has 2 separate chain motors.

When you have a ride slide backwards down a lift hill, capsize, and nearly kill the riders, which, the designing company said accidents of a certain number are acceptable, I don't think I would want to work with them again.

This isn't that new a thing. I remember at RT Potato Works, we stopped making new food around an hour before close and left only 1 register open. When we ran out of food or at about a half hour until park close (whichever came first), we closed.

I think I can make out LaRosa's pizza as well.

We call it Big Droppy Thing because the actual name is hard to spell, especially those of us who don't talk about NJFTP all the time.

^You're kind of contradicting yourself within that post there. Just sayin'.

^But what about the other smaller slides?

I think this thread has gone to plaid and has divided by 0. Bad dialogue- check.

I now have this wonderful image of Don or Greg channeling their inner Julie Andrews and breaking out with The Sound of Music atop Diamondback, Beast, and/or the Eiffel Tower, choreography and camera panning included.

As much as I like music involved with everything, what's music got to do with this? silver2005, now asking the questions.

Or, you know, a coaster that's not a giga, or something not a coaster at all.

Oh, so it is getting the new Vekoma trains (as seen on Sidewinder at Hershey from what Six Flags describes them).