Shaggy

Give him a break... He's red-headed and fair skinned... like I am... and probably not sunburned, just red. I turn red after about 5 minutes in the sun, doesn't mean I am burned, just means my skin is hot. Anticlimactic? Only if you somehow were wishing for something else. I personally think its a good addition for them. Good to see water rides making a comeback. (Many here are too young to remember the days when outside of a flume there were virtually no water rides at parks... in the mid 1980's raft rides revolutionized the industry spurring interest in water attractions once again. Maybe this will do the same.) Shaggy

Good for them! Looks like a fun ride, and nice to see something different at CP. I doubt I'll ride though... I would, but going under one of those drenching waterfalls is not my idea of fun. Why did they have to put that in there? Shaggy

So with KI being owned by CF, and you're being such a "heartfelt" fan of KI, why on earth would you find any humor in the mere thought of CF going bankrupt? Shaggy

They bought PP for 1.24 billion when they were already have a billion in debt. CF has more than turned into the new SF. They keep making very poor business decisions, and there is no sign of it stopping anytime soon. Are you a fan of KI?

"I must say, I am dissapointed with the height and speed. I know, it's a giga. That's awesome. But, I think it should've broken records or something. I guess I'm more dissapointed with the length though. Tha little bit of track will be over in such a short period of time at that speed." Why break records? SOB broke them... did that make it better? As far as the short ride... count your blessings, it could be TTD. "Anyone who is dissapointed with MF because of no airtime with be dissapointed with this. Also, a couple of the transitions look like Vortex's, I hope that's just because it's an animation. They are classifying the restraint system as over the shoulder lap bars, not over the shoulder restraints." The best feature of this ride has little to do with the airtime hills. The fact that it will be so close to the ground is it's highlight. Flying past low lying objects will make the speed seem even more extreme. The restraints look to be like Mavericks... which are tight at the waist and open around your neck/shoulders. "Im just disappointed in color choice. Love the Red track, but Yellow supports? Why not Black or Silver Supports?" It's Cedar Fair... they don't know how to not include yellow or red on a coaster. "Don't get me wrong, the ride looks uber badass, no doubt, but it doesn't look anything at all like I thought a giga would. While Millennium Force is huge, with mammoth hills and drops, and a beautiful structure, this ride looks like a low to the ground, speed monster with a 305 foot hill to get things started instead of a launch (Which, being a NASCAR ride, I would have thought more appropriate). I also am not a fan of the minimalist support structure, maybe it's just me but I love the look of the intricate supports on MF, and this with only two support beams on the lift hill? That's why it's only 25M I guess. " So how is a Giga supposed to look? I always thought a Giga looked 300' tall... if that's the case... then this looks like a Giga. As far as a launch being more appropriate... Nacars don't race... they speed up and down. "dude, i was all excited to wake up late today and have the announcement already have been made. I got up and saw Intimidator 305 and was like ALRIGHT!!!! But then i saw the layout and specs and was thinking "Are you serious??" I am really disappointed with the layout and how MF is still taller. I was really wanting this baby to beat out MF. And i think the biggest disappointment of all is the fact that it uses OSTRs, COME ON CF!!!! These are not necessary for a ride of this type!" Did you honestly think Cedar Fair was going to out-do MForce? Not a chance. They are not about to compromise any coaster at their Flagship. Oh, and the restraints are necessary due to the lateral direction changes. That's what dictated their use. Shaggy

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Really? Cause the complaints I heard when it was TR: TR came particularly from men, if you understand. Hence my stating "didn't like going upside down for so long." Sometimes it's best to avoid stating the obvious.

It's worth noting that neither Crypt... nor TR:TR have ever had high overall guest ratings. The complaints from the beginning were: Too short, didn't like going upside down for so long. The complaints now seem to be: Too short, didn't like not going upside down. Fact is, as it stands today... without proper theming and show elements to distract, the ride program can never be enough. The Giant Huss Topspin is simply too large and too cumbersome a unit to cycle over and over with a large amount of inversions. That's why the original was themed so heavily. KI wanted a Top Spin, but for capacity reasons needed the giant version. It was a trade off. KD's, followed suite and is a better install because it's: A. Smaller B. Outdoors C. Able to easily change rotational programs. These advantages stemmed only from the lessons learned with KI's TR:TR. Shaggy

Did you ride it at Wonderland, Carowinds or Kings Dominion? Wonderlands was the first and has a capacity of about 23 people per hour. Carowinds was built in an old park theatre in the "Western" area of the park??? It's got a capacity of about 50 per hour. Kings Dominions was the last of the bunch to be built, and from what I understand get's a great capacity. KI's used the existing People Mover from Phantom Theater because of it's large capacity. However every other car was removed. Ditto. Enchanted Voyage was about as perfect as a ride could be for the entire family with a wonderful, snappy song. To this day, I still don't understand why KI ever removed it. They removed it because it was falling apart. The animatronics were virtually worn out, half the figures had stopped working and overall the scenes were filthy. It was called Scooby Zoom I believe. There have been over 6 KI attractions themed with Scooby and the gang through the years. Can you name them all?

Why are there so many people speculating the removal of Flight Deck? There are threads suggesting this everywhere. Why? Because it needs a paint job? Because Big Bad Wolf is being removed? I will fall off my chair shocked if Flight Deck goes anywhere in the next 10 years. SOB is a different story... it's the new Hercules. What would I do with the area? Kill SOB, remove the Go-Carts and cut a path to The Racer/FOF area. I'd remove Congo Falls and Invertigo and place a true Invert in their spot. Shaggy

Maybe I'm off the mark here, but are this coaster's markings crossing the state line? Could the monies be distributed between the two counties/states? Shaggy

That they do. Pirate, anyone? What about Dorney? Just to begin. . . Kingdom of the Dinosaurs Knott's Berry Tales Journey to the Center of the Earth Earthquake...

I think everyone should pray hard that CF doesn't decide to remove "Scooby"... if they do, say goodbye to any dark ride at KI. CF has a long, bad, and notorious history of removing dark rides left and right from the parks they own/aquire only to replace them with.... nothing. For those still lamenting the loss of Phantom Theater... while I agree it was a terrific dark ride which I very much enjoyed... the thing was falling apart and needed to be yanked. Dissapointed as I was with the 2-dimensional Scooby, in the final years only about 1/3 of Phantom Theatre's effects still worked. What you saw just before it closed didn't compare to how it looked it's opening year. Shaggy

They don't care since the three parks do not compete for attendance within the same regional areas. Shaggy

I have a great Camden Hawnted House story... On one of my trips to Camden, I was by myself. Well, I got on the Hawnted House, and the entire side of my car fell off! The ride op came running up, and instead of stopping the ride, he told me to stay seated and then just "popped" the side back on. He then gave me a shove and off I went! That attraction is normally tame, to say the least, but that ride sure scared me to death! I spent the rest of my trip through the building scared for my safety! Shaggy

I'm a wooden/rough coaster fan (SOB!), Busch garden rides are so smooth i barely got a thrill. Maybe i am just spoiled by my coaster capitol homeland Oh, if you like 'em rough then KD has plenty for you.... Hurler, Grizzly should suit your taste ;-) I've always heard KD referred to as "ghetto Kings Island," but I'm glad to see that CF has put an initiative to try and improve it. Well, again, I hold a soft spot of KD because of so many childhood memories. When I visit now, I desperately miss Lost World/Fantasy Mountain.

Hi! I grew up in Eastern Virginia, and was lucky enough to visit KD many, many times. I was also fortunate that I had a sister that lived in Ohio and that allowed me to travel to KI many times in my youth/teen years. Later, after I graduated and moved out on my own, I ended up living in Cincinnati for a number of years where I was a KI regular (and still am to an extent.) I manage to get to KD every few years, although the last time I was there was 2003. I hold a soft spot for KD, as it was the place that I first rode a coaster... the Scooby Doo... in 1978. I was 7. How vividly I remember it... mostly because Lost World/Fantasy Mountain had just opened! The parks are remarkably similar, but remarkably different. Of course they both have many of the same attractions, but they also have unique ones. I personally give the edge to KI, mostly because of how it was the "original." KI seems larger to me, and I much prefer the layout of KI. KD has a "lop-sided" feel and has some areas that I find hard to manuever with much narrower paths etc. The whole kids area/congo access at KD is utterly confusing to me. KD's International Street was built much narrower than KI's. I think KI's is about 10 feet wider on each side. KD's trees have matured and parts of the park have a density to it. Heck, the trees on International Street almost obscure the view of the Tower base and International Street shops. KD is now looked upon as being "rough." It attracts a large amount of people from high-crime metro areas such as Richmond and DC. There's been a bit of publicity related to gang incidents and altercations at the park. KD was the first "KECO" park to have metal detectors, which were installed years before KI had them. From what I understand, CF has an initiative to overhaul KD. KD saw a dramatic decrease in family attendance over the years while the over-the-top amazing Busch Gardens down the highway soared in popularity and reputation. That's been the reason for the new coasters. They specifically want to revitalize the "feel" that's been tarnished by the crime and neglect the park saw in the 1990's and early 2000's. So I hope that KD is on the upswing. Speaking specifically about coasters/rides, KD seems to have the better collection of flats. -They have a superior, albeit ridiculously short, invert. -Their Fairly Odd Coaster (or whatever it's called there) is run better than KI's and retains it's final bunny hop. -Hurler is junk... -Grizzly is fun, but a shell of its former self. -KD's FOF has always braked trains mid-course. -Shockwave remains a fun standup, but KI's King Cobra was superior. -Anaconda has one of the worst jaw-breaking head jerks on any Arrow Dynamic looper. -KD has the legendary Rebel Yell featured in "Roller Coaster" the movie. - KD has the WONDERFUL Avalanche Bobsleds (best ride in the park! The Only Mack Bobsled ride located in North America!) However KD committed a horrific sin in the early 1990's. They drained "Lake Charles" and eliminated the ski show in leiu of.... a waterpark. ICK As if that weren't bad enough, they removed the "Old Dominion Line" train in leiu of "Waynes World." OY But I guess it's apples vs oranges since KI removed the Flying Eagles and the picturesque Antique cars in leiu of the piece of %$ junkyard Backlot Stunt Coaster. Something I've never forgiven them for, and doubt I ever will. Overall, you may be surprised at how much KD has to offer. But enter it without comparison... judge it on it's own merit. Honestly... I am more jealous of your being close to Busch Gardens. It is stunning, absolutely stunning and far superior an experience than any Cedar Fair Park. Shaggy

Don't you mean the HaWnted House? ;-)

I wouldn't buy that thing. There's obviously an issue with it since Kennywood just installed it in recent years and is already removing it. Prior, it was at Lake Compounce. I rode it there back in 2000 or so. Quite frankly, if KI were to do anything with the Crypt, I'd suggest re-installing it outdoors and using the show building for something else. However there are so many complicated computer parts involved in Crypt, that when the park does decide to do something with it, it will likely involve the junk pile. I'd be willing to bet that we will see the show building outlast the Huss unit inside of it. Shaggy

That's the model located at Six Flags America. http://rcdb.com/545.htm Two Face has been plagued with downtime since it opened. It also got stuck on the lift 2 years ago and stranded riders for hours. It never re-opened after that and AFAIK has been SBNO for the past 2 seasons. Shaggy

I think it's a fantastic choice for HW. That area of the park is their bread and butter... so good for them! Shaggy

***SPOILER*** DO NOT click this link if you want to be suprised. I hesitated posting it, however the info is already live on some news sites: Shaggy **Update** Times up. I removed the news link after 3 minutes, mostly because ruining surprises is no fun. You'll have to wait for HW to announce...

11 Central = 12 noon Eastern. If you are that sleepy, just do some exploring online. The info was briefly posted on HW's website earlier and so it "slipped" out already in cyberspace. Shaggy

Holiday World is on Central time. The announcement is at 12 ET.

Not to jinx it, and people's MMV, but KI's Invertigo has been fantastic overall in terms of reliability! I was personally stuck on KI's version (then Face/Off) for an hour. Train station brakes failed to work quick enough, and we stalled at the base of the cobra roll. Shaggy