Cedar Point 2010 Changes

[The Interpreter]

I hope I'm not alone on this..but when you have to take a "walk of shame" off a roller coaster ( because of weight of course) I think it's time you notice you should hit a treadmill. I personally think it is ridiculous to see that some of you think we need to make seats bigger so "the average american" can ride. For people who are obese, it should motivate them to lose weight. I'm tired of people complaining about seat size when we all can change our diet..

Sorry if that sounded overly rude.

Spoken like someone who fits and always fit the seats designed for the average 170 pound 5 foot 10 inch male.

Terp, who has both fit and not fit those seats...

[KIfan1980]

I would be the one you should ask about this.... My former home park is BGT. YES! They do have the "BIG BOY" seats on all three B&M's. Kumba and Montu is rows 3 and 5. SheiKra is on Every row toward the center I believe.

SheiKra is in every row, it is either the 3rd or 4th seat in from each edge (there are nice signs pointing it out).

I hope I'm not alone on this..but when you have to take a "walk of shame" off a roller coaster ( because of weight of course) I think it's time you notice you should hit a treadmill. I personally think it is ridiculous to see that some of you think we need to make seats bigger so "the average american" can ride. For people who are obese, it should motivate them to lose weight. I'm tired of people complaining about seat size when we all can change our diet..

Sorry if that sounded overly rude.

You are coming off as overly rude, and I think you have ignored the problem that people are talking about to try and cause controversy.

From what I understand (I'll find out personally in June), many people who do not have problems on any other coasters, and would not be considered obese medically, have issues on TTD and MF. To me this is a ride design issue, not a personal health problem. And the fact that the size seems to get smaller and smaller (from what has been stated) is again not a personal health problem.

[Pillsberry123]

I'm on the side of people who think that it isn't the park's fault for not fitting in a seat. There's a test seat out by the entrance to test yourself, so if you wait all day and don't fit, it isn't the park's fault. Weight is something that is becoming a problem in this country, and it's not something that needs to be accommodated everywhere we go. If anything, society should encourage people (not force people of course, it's their choice) to loose the extra pounds.

Heck, if you're upset that you can't fit in the seat, then you should also be upset that people under 48" can't ride, because that's also discrimination. When you think about it, people have more control over their weight than they do their height...

[TylerRider]

I may be wrong, but if they keep making the seats bigger, than the height restrictions may increase. Also if they get to big, there might be people that can't ride because they are underweight. It just sounds sensible to me, but I could be wrong.

[Keysersoze]

I too almost had to take the walk of shame yeserday on MF. Never before has that happen. I have found a big belly isn't the big issue with the belts, its how wide your legs are. I do plan on losing more weight before my next CP trip but it doesn't do much for the leg thing. Another thing that always makes me laugh is there always so worried about the silly seat belt on MF yet to me the seats MF to me seem and look like junk. I guess they want to make sure your in your seat when the whole seat comes flying off! I have sat in better lawn chairs. I don't ride the dragster so I don't know about that ride but I never have this issue with any other coaster anywhere. I like the seats on DB, think what MF would be like with those seats.

Yesterday was a good day overall, we got there at 9 am only to find MF down for the first couple of hours. That ended up being are last ride of that day.

Something else I notice different is they cut down a few more trees. It's made me and my friend joke about how it seemed, taking the lights off the trees they where cutting down seemed like a after thought! We saw more then one very tall stump with strings of lights just hanging off them.

They did a good job with growning the grass where Demon Drop used to be. If it was your first time to the park you would never know there used to be a ride there.

[sheikra_rocks]

I should have put emphasis on the Rosa Parks thing being a joke.

In all seriousness though... Just because someone looses an inch on their waist, doesn't mean they loose it in their thighs.

I have been swimming a lot at the beginning of the year. I believe my thighs got toned in the process, but not smaller.

Some of you young guys/girls will find out. You might be 20 and 165 with a slim to average build now, but wait until you are 25-26. You won't be that anymore. Then you will be on the other side of the debate.

[Pillsberry123]

^ That's why making the extra effort to keep the weight down is important. My Dad's 60 and he's never weighed more than 170 pounds in his entire life. With that being said he's worked manual labor his whole life (and still does today) and only eats fast food about once a month.<br>

[shark6495]

well to be medically obese you only have to have have a BMI of over 30.....

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

[ChazyG]

Now that i think about it i have had to take the "Walk of Shame" on Cedar creek mine... but my belly wasnt the problem seemed to me my legs were getting crushed once they locked it because i was riding with my niece who is 12 and about 1" thick! so to get the bar down on her they had to crush me... I could have ridden it but i just opted out of the pain.

[Coney Islander]

I'm on the side of people who think that it isn't the park's fault for not fitting in a seat. There's a test seat out by the entrance to test yourself, so if you wait all day and don't fit, it isn't the park's fault. Weight is something that is becoming a problem in this country, and it's not something that needs to be accommodated everywhere we go. If anything, society should encourage people (not force people of course, it's their choice) to loose the extra pounds.

Yet, there are Cedar Point test seats that don't match the real seats...

I agree that seats should be getting larger as the average American does, but I don't agree the seats should be made to fit people who are really obese... Weight can be lost, much harder for some people than others, but it can be lost. Not being to be able to do all the things they love is a push for obese people to exercise and change their diet, to eventually become much healthier. If everything were made to fit for everyone, where is that push to become healthy? (And by obesity, I mean the top 10% in weight...)

The main problem, many people lose hope early on in their weight loss program... There are commercials to stop smoking, so where are the commercials giving encouragement on losing weight? Obesity is much more serious of a problem, nowadays.

[shark6495]

actually those ads are everywhere. Telling people to go to jenny craig, eat smarter, eat vegies and fruits, heck even fastfood joints offer healthy food. Their are the nutrisystem commercials, the commercials for places to work out. The commercials for being healthy are out there but no one takes heed....

[frisbeefan]

One thing that I noticed that may be new is a test seat for Mantis.

[Guest Millennium]

I should have put emphasis on the Rosa Parks thing being a joke.

In all seriousness though... Just because someone looses an inch on their waist, doesn't mean they loose it in their thighs.

I have been swimming a lot at the beginning of the year. I believe my thighs got toned in the process, but not smaller.

Some of you young guys/girls will find out. You might be 20 and 165 with a slim to average build now, but wait until you are 25-26. You won't be that anymore. Then you will be on the other side of the debate.

As I turn 29 next Friday, I am not sure what you're talking about.

[Dbfan]

Tighter seatbelt means more safety. Maybe Cedar Point saw a defect? I know this change was not meant to hurt people, it was meant to keep rider's safe. There is nothing we can do to change that.

[Guest Millennium]

I apologize if I sounded overly rude, but I was offended by the Rosa Parks thing and how it was compared to what black people have been through. I don't care if you're trying to be funny, it is different. And I think when people say man has gotten wider over the last 100 years, that is just wrong. Everyone has control of their size (usually at least..) and I don't think we should accept that people are getting bigger, we should try to make a change.

I only said the treadmill thing because I have never seen a person who is too tall take a walk of shame, but a person who is tubby. And I'm not getting flamed again.

[Pillsberry123]

Tighter seatbelt means more safety. Maybe Cedar Point saw a defect? I know this change was not meant to hurt people, it was meant to keep rider's safe. There is nothing we can do to change that.

Definitely something there, too. If I'm correct, it's a law that amusement parks have to follow instructions given from the company that built the rides. So if Cedar Point sees a problem, the seats get tighter. If Intamin sees a problem, they get tighter. The seats weren't made tighter just to make your day miserable.

Another thing I'd like to throw out there is the fact that a lot of people that can't fit Millennium Force also can't fit Diamondback, and Diamondback doesn't even have seat belts! So the problem is beyond the seat belts. Every year there are complaints at the beginning of the season that everything's become smaller. Has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that one of the reasons that they can't fit is because they've gained weight over the winter when you don't go outside as often? I'm not saying that the belts didn't get smaller, but could it possibly be that people have gotten bigger? I don't know, maybe my logic is strange.

[Guest Millennium]

Tighter seatbelt means more safety. Maybe Cedar Point saw a defect? I know this change was not meant to hurt people, it was meant to keep rider's safe. There is nothing we can do to change that.

Definitely something there, too. If I'm correct, it's a law that amusement parks have to follow instructions given from the company that built the rides. So if Cedar Point sees a problem, the seats get tighter. If Intamin sees a problem, they get tighter. The seats weren't made tighter just to make your day miserable.

Another thing I'd like to throw out there is the fact that a lot of people that can't fit Millennium Force also can't fit Diamondback, and Diamondback doesn't even have seat belts! So the problem is beyond the seat belts. Every year there are complaints at the beginning of the season that everything's become smaller. Has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that one of the reasons that they can't fit is because they've gained weight over the winter when you don't go outside as often? I'm not saying that the belts didn't get smaller, but could it possibly be that people have gotten bigger? I don't know, maybe my logic is strange.

Your logic is right. I thought the same thing.

[Guest Millennium]

I too almost had to take the walk of shame yeserday on MF. Never before has that happen. I have found a big belly isn't the big issue with the belts, its how wide your legs are. I do plan on losing more weight before my next CP trip but it doesn't do much for the leg thing. Another thing that always makes me laugh is there always so worried about the silly seat belt on MF yet to me the seats MF to me seem and look like junk. I guess they want to make sure your in your seat when the whole seat comes flying off! I have sat in better lawn chairs. I don't ride the dragster so I don't know about that ride but I never have this issue with any other coaster anywhere. I like the seats on DB, think what MF would be like with those seats.

Yesterday was a good day overall, we got there at 9 am only to find MF down for the first couple of hours. That ended up being are last ride of that day.

Something else I notice different is they cut down a few more trees. It's made me and my friend joke about how it seemed, taking the lights off the trees they where cutting down seemed like a after thought! We saw more then one very tall stump with strings of lights just hanging off them.

They did a good job with growning the grass where Demon Drop used to be. If it was your first time to the park you would never know there used to be a ride there.

Again, if you are overweight and can't fit in a seat for the average american then it is in no way, shape, or form the company's fault.

I was overweight and college but when I got out I just exercised more. Right now I'm 170 pounds at 6"1 and have a BMI of 22 which is a healthy place to be. Everyone (with very, very few exceptions) can control whether they fit in a roller coaster seat or not.

[Diamondback96]

I apologize if I sounded overly rude, but I was offended by the Rosa Parks thing and how it was compared to what black people have been through. I don't care if you're trying to be funny, it is different. And I think when people say man has gotten wider over the last 100 years, that is just wrong. Everyone has control of their size (usually at least..) and I don't think we should accept that people are getting bigger, we should try to make a change.

I only said the treadmill thing because I have never seen a person who is too tall take a walk of shame, but a person who is tubby. And I'm not getting flamed again.

Who said wider? I heard taller...

[Guest Millennium]

You have to remember, working out my increase body weight as well. Muscle weighs more than fat.

When I was in Florida from February to April this year, I swam a lot. I even ate healthy, and took a diet pill to help burn fat. I noticed that while I lost an inch on my waist, I gained 10 lbs.

I think it is ok to have a few seats that larger people can fit in, much like B&M seats.

It is discrimination, pain and simple.

Rosa Parks didn't get out of her seat, and neither will I!

Except Rosa Parks didn't have control of what she did, and you do! That is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. Comparing what African Americans went through to having too big of a stomach to fit on a roller coaster.

And you just corrected yourself..you said you lost an inch on your waist...yet you want bigger seats?? If you lost an inch on your waist it would be EASIER to get in a seat. Not discrimination. At all.

This is out of hand. Here is a pic of an average size person approx. 1910. This was taken by my ancestor in Alaska.

Take note-the dogs have not grown taller, but people have. This man is probably as tall as I am, approx. 5'2".

This is partial proof people are bigger now than 100 years ago, and manufacturers have not kept up with the changes.

For your troubles, hooky.

[coaster_junky]

she was referring to people getting taller, with the rest of their body staying in proportion to the height, not that americans are becoming fatter and companies should be taking that into consideration when building/designing new trains.

[shark6495]

just trolling around the internet you will find the average height of americans in the last 100-200 years has increased............ 1.75 inches..... just one source would be wikipedia, check for human height... also google human height changes over time..... so the height thing is not a real issue.... the average american how ever has added many LBs to the average......

[windshawne]

I would love to be taller-not gonna happen. Still, talking about having a hard time losing weight in the late 20's? Wait til you're in your mid 40's. I ride a bike 8-9 hours once to twice a week, and its not coming off. In fact, its turning to muscle and that is not going away short of starvation.

Millenium, you are just shy a foot taller than me. Much easier to lose weight over 6' tall. I have to work twice as hard for speed in running and biking, throw in some asthma, and I am limited on what I can do endurance wise.

[Guest Millennium]

If you exercise and eat right, you will lose weight or gain muscle. Either way you will fit easier in a roller coaster seat. If that doesn't happen then you have a problem and go see a doctor. LOL!

I KNEW I would be flamed. I knew it...

[windshawne]

If you exercise and eat right, you will lose weight or gain muscle. Either way you will fit easier in a roller coaster seat. If that doesn't happen then you have a problem and go see a doctor. LOL!

I KNEW I would be flamed. I knew it...

You'll learn. Youth breeds arrogance.

[Guest Millennium]

If you exercise and eat right, you will lose weight or gain muscle. Either way you will fit easier in a roller coaster seat. If that doesn't happen then you have a problem and go see a doctor. LOL!

I KNEW I would be flamed. I knew it...

You'll learn. Youth breeds arrogance.

At 28, I'm out of my youth years.

[windshawne]

If you exercise and eat right, you will lose weight or gain muscle. Either way you will fit easier in a roller coaster seat. If that doesn't happen then you have a problem and go see a doctor. LOL!

I KNEW I would be flamed. I knew it...

You'll learn. Youth breeds arrogance.

At 28, I'm out of my youth years.

If you say so.

[EssentiallyCoaster]

I'm 14, 5'7 and about 195 pounds. I realize I weigh more than I should so I started working out like I currently am and watching my callories. (Kings Island days I ignore my diet). I truly believe that like me, all you have to do is watch what you eat and run a couple of miles a day and you'll be fine. It's their fault most of the time for not fitting unless it's height. So far in about 5 months I've probably lost 2 inches around the waist and 3 inches at the pecks. I couldn't fit in Diamondback last year and this year I finally can! Conclusion and please don't burn me for this. It's not the manufacterer's fault, it's yours for letting you get big enough not to fit.

[Hank]

I STILL can't believe the kind people that keep talking about "weight" or "girth" - I started by mentioning torso and boob size. Should my wife have to get a breast reduction just to ride a roller coaster? I don't think so. Even IF there is a test seat WITH a seatbelt that is EXACTLY the same as the ride's, if a person can't fit, why should they bother spending the money to get into the park in the first place?

I am also totally amazed at the amount of "weight loss physicians" that are responding to this thread. If you, and all the REAL weight loss physicians, know so much about how to lose weight, or get "fit", or get thin, or whatever you want to call it, why isn't the ENTIRE world thin, or fit, or whatever you want to call it? If you can't except people for what they are, shame on you! You can't help it if you're not the "perfect size". One does not choose to be "wrong" and I'm so sorry that others have a problem with that.

So yes, it could be like Rosa Parks and the bus thing - she could not change the fact that she was Black, just like I can't change the fact that I am tall - or my wife has big boobs - or that dwarfs are short - or that little children are under 48" tall - or that ride manufacturers don't know how to measure Americans - or that I'm sure to get hate mail for this post. But, I at least displayed my frustrations with some of the people who have posted such hurtful comments about us "big" people.

[windshawne]

I STILL can't believe the kind people that keep talking about "weight" or "girth" - I started by mentioning torso and boob size. Should my wife have to get a breast reduction just to ride a roller coaster? I don't think so. Even IF there is a test seat WITH a seatbelt that is EXACTLY the same as the ride's, if a person can't fit, why should they bother spending the money to get into the park in the first place?

I am also totally amazed at the amount of "weight loss physicians" that are responding to this thread. If you, and all the REAL weight loss physicians, know so much about how to lose weight, or get "fit", or get thin, or whatever you want to call it, why isn't the ENTIRE world thin, or fit, or whatever you want to call it? If you can't except people for what they are, shame on you! You can't help it if you're not the "perfect size". One does not choose to be "wrong" and I'm so sorry that others have a problem with that.

So yes, it could be like Rosa Parks and the bus thing - she could not change the fact that she was Black, just like I can't change the fact that I am tall - or my wife has big boobs - or that dwarfs are short - or that little children are under 48" tall - or that ride manufacturers don't know how to measure Americans - or that I'm sure to get hate mail for this post. But, I at least displayed my frustrations with some of the people who have posted such hurtful comments about us "big" people.

Sorry Hank, I had to chuckle a little about the boob comment , speaking of which Firehawk is definitely not female friendly .

Anyway, I am not perfect-I'm not 5'7", 130 lbs, 36, 24, 26, etc-and I'm ok with that. I still fit in all the coasters, even though I have gained alot the last 3 years. I dont put anyone down for being big, but thats just me. I am ok with my size and others for who they are, and if no one else likes it, tough. Those that can't accept others for who they are, well, I have no use for that type of shallow viewpoint.