Gabe
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That would be a question best answered by Guest Services in advance of your visit.
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1. No reservation system-lines will be marked in the que 6 feet apart.
2. No bins. Lockers will be available for purchase nearby (the ones by FOF).
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5 hours ago, robintodd said:
Looks like they are aiming for 10,000 for each day. It will be interesting to see how the reservations fill up now that they are live. I'm expecting them to lax the 1 visit per season pass holder once they see what the demand is.
Based on the day, it looks to be between 10-12k. If you assume every ride will operate at a min of half capacity, with 10k in the park, you'd still be seeing waits of about 30 min or so for the big coasters.
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What time will reservations open?
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4 hours ago, cdubbs727 said:
I almost wonder if the best bet would be to start at CP, as in my experience the lines there are longer. But you can benefit by going through the back entrance by Magnum and hitting a lot of the coasters back there before the park even opens (give yourself an edge by staying at a CP hotel the night before and getting in an hour before the GP). I know when I was younger, it was possible to knock out most of the rides at CP before lunch, but they'd added quite a bit since then.
In my experience, KI tends to have longer lines in the morning than in the evening (although using FLP, that doesn't really matter, I guess). On a weeknight, particularly late July or early August, KI often has next to no wait times on most their coasters, even without FLP. I think it's doable. But like @King Ding Dong said, traffic is going to be your biggest headache. Going through Dayton area is never fun, and I'm always surprised how much construction there is.But I've seen videos of people who do all the Disney World parks in one day; no reason knocking out all the coasters at KI and CP shouldn't be possible.
Not to mention the select few who have done all 6 domestic parks in one day, though that involved doing only a few rides at each.
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4 hours ago, PilotDude said:
Exactly why the only solution is a virtual queue but doesn't look like Cedar Fair has chosen to not go that route. IMHO this is a mistake as virtual queuing is the future of amusement parks, case in point Disney was using it before the COVID-19 shut down and it was receiving rave reviews. Keep people out of cattle corrals where they can't spend money, and get them out and moving to places they can spend money, seems like common sense to me that they will pay for themselves in a short amount of time.
It was? Quite the opposite. Walt's park has the MaxPass, which is much easier to navigate. As regards temp checks, the park isn't going to take each one individually. People will pass under a thermal scanner, which is monitored. Anyone showing above the threshold will be removed,
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What many don't realize is that most of the animatronics for Splash were previously used in a Tomorrowland attraction-America Sings- which ran from the mid 70s-late 80s. The ride is not based on SOTS other than using the main characters from the movie in a new story (Brer Rabbit wants to see the world but gets caught up in Brer Fox's trap, finagles his way out of it (Brer Fox throwing him in the briar patch thinking Brer Rabbit will get stuck anyway, but of course he doesn't-the big drop, followed by Brer Rabbit having a new appreciation for his home surroundings) (and the other small animatronics from America Sings, As for Uncle Remus, Brer Frog is the one you hear on the various spiels, not Uncle Remus. Given how the company is bleeding cash, I'm certain a retheme of Splash isn't happening anytime soon. It's still a great (and long! 14 min when things aren't so busy) and iconic ride.
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1 hour ago, Shaggy said:
I think it comes down to re-investment capital. Disney parks have a year-round bountiful cash flow designated for the significant upkeep and updating of rides. Even so, they still are forced to close rides for definitive periods of time for extensive re-hab. It wasnt widely revealed, but one of the reasons the original ride in the Norway Pavilion in EPCOT was altered to "Frozen" was because there was significant water damage & mold inside the building. That, and of course the fact that the ride was in need of an overall change due to low ridership.
There's no real fair comparison between a cash cow like Disney - who see's an average attendance of 53,000 people a day, 365 days a year (just in the Florida parks) and a seasonally operated regional park that operates a collective 5 months out of the year. Add in the fact that Disney has a whole studio brand pushing the theme of the rides in the park. The rides themes dont necessarily wear out, because they are constantly in a viewing rotation in many, many media channels.
A regional theme park, like KI, must often make a choice to completely replace an aged attraction since they need to be able to market it as "new." Disney has the opposite issue - they have to maintain them because they are so beloved and guests would revolt if they removed them.
Not to mention, Norway decided not to renew its sponsorship of the attraction, which offset much of the cost of operating it. As in Future World, sponsorships lapsed, which led to decreased maintenance budgets, which, over time, caught up to them such that a ton of $ now has to be poured into the park to keep it relevant (but with plenty of free IP to go around).
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When do reservations for passholders open? Also, I noticed no mention of a ride reservation system, so with the reduced capacity, I suppose the park feels as if people can stand 6 feet apart in line.
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Dollywood would be a good model to follow. Everyone has to make a reservation and entry times staggered. X number of spots reserved for passholders depending on the day and limiting the number of times a passholder can come for the first month (2 peak days, or 3 non peak days). Seems like that's fair for everyone.
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So- assuming the parks need 2 weeks to retrain, you're looking at about July 3 to reopen. No doubt Ki and CP want to capture the 4th of July $$. Now, let's see if the lawsuit gets dropped and the amendment to house bill dies without further action. Curious why Dewine didn't just announce this yesterday, assuming the plan had already been submitted, despite his announcement today saying he needed a week.
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7 hours ago, PilotDude said:
Not great, and IMHO it was a tactical error on the parks part, but the park is being pushed by the Warren County Commissioners so they are between a rock and a hard place. Every other time someone has sued to reopen in Ohio and federal court, the courts side against the business and they stay closed but now with the added cost of court. The case wont be heard by a judge for 60-90 days, and then wont be ruled on for up to a year. And if at the end of a year if they are still closed, and not just reopened with the lifting of restrictions, now we begin the appeal process which is up to 3-5 years between cases. The standard on how the courts will treat all of these cases is South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California. This is a very recent supreme court ruling, and yes it is a ruling even thought they never heard arguments which is an extraordinary measure. But the Supreme Court upheld churches being closed, and churches have more autonomy to stay open then a business. Below is a telling paragraph and will be cited everywhere else to throw out these lawsuits. All of this lawsuit did was make Kings Island a hostile party to the Governor, the park is being used as a pawn by the county commissioners and in the end the park is the one who will get hurt.
The precise question of when restrictions on particular social activities should be lifted during the pandemic is a dynamic and fact-intensive matter subject to reasonable disagreement. Our Constitution principally entrusts “[t]he safety and the health of the people” to the politically ac-countable officials of the States “to guard and protect.” Ja-cobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11, 38 (1905). When those officials “undertake[] to act in areas fraught with medical and scientific uncertainties,” their latitude “must be especially broad.” Marshall v. United States, 414 U. S. 417, 427 (1974). Where those broad limits are not exceeded, they should not be subject to second-guessing by an “une-lected federal judiciary,” which lacks the background, com-petence, and expertise to assess public health and is not ac-countable to the people. See Garciav. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, 469 U. S. 528, 545 (1985).
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So I have now had a chance to read the court filling in its entirety and it is not great. If my lawyer filled this in court, I would be embarrassed with all of the cutting and pasting errors and obvious revision where things were removed but the grammar wasn't updated to reflect that. "that latitude remains subject to limitations imposed by both the Ohio Constitution", both what? In other parts they politicize the topic while in others they make claims that are illogical and go against existing law. "The Ohio Department of Health, its Director, and county health departments claim the authority to criminalize and fine operation of safe amusement and water parks." Yeah they do that every single day across the state and country, i.e. food safety laws. This is blatantly nonfactual as they have set up a public board to review business objections to not being allowed to open, and other courts have upheld them as constitutional already, "without providing any process, venue, or judicial review to determine whether these Ohioans’ businesses are in fact safe enough to warrant operation". "This harm may only be remedied by a ruling from this Court, and Defendants must be immediately and permanently enjoined from imposing criminal, civil, or equitable sanctions on the safe operation of Ohio amusement and water parks including Plaintiffs." This is not the only way they can be freed of a perceived harm, they could use the review boards already in place that the courts already view as acceptable, and courts typically look down on plaintiffs that could have received relief elsewhere and didn't attempt that route first.
Long story short the lawsuit doesn't look like it will be ruled on in Cedar Fairs favor, but IMHO this wont even go to trial purely due to the speed of our court systems. Reading elsewhere on what Cedar Fair plans to do to reopen, they are lacking in a few key areas compared to other parks that have been allowed to open. The biggest example is Cedar Fair believes they can safely social distance in a traditional que line whereas most every other chain has gone to a digital ride wait system. My speculation and it is purely speculation is that Dewine wants them to go to a similar system and Cedar Fair up to this point hasn't been willing to or is unable for some other reason and that is the hold up. Once they get this last sticking point worked out they will reopen with the rest of the parks, and remember only 1 park is operating in the entire country with everyone else due to open in the next week to couple months. What ever Disney does is going to be the standard everyone else will be held too. They have experience reopening parks in other countries and are a pillar of society that people look up to for guidance.
or, the lawsuit was never designed to force DeWine's hand, but merely to bring him back to the table. Between this and the bill amendment, I'm sure the Governor is at least listening again. In all of this, though, is the silence of Vici/Hard Rock. That is telling too.
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19 hours ago, IceePirate said:
You all might want to give the complaint a read, there's some pretty interesting stuff in there. For one thing, KI is going super hard against the director and Warren County who can supposedly issue their own opening order
Except county and local authorities can only enact more stringent requirements than those issued by the State. Meanwhile, the counties where Kennywood and Knoebels are located in PA are going to the last phase of reopening today. Kennywood FWIW showing a 7/1 open date.
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Actually, since it was an amendment to a bill, the Senate either needs to concur with the change, or, if they object, send the bill to conference committee, which would try to hammer out a compromise. Assuming the Governor gives an opening date in his press release, the amendment likely becomes moot.
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From those photos, its apparent the parking lot is in pristine condition
clearly the $ they made from the Prez Day sale could be funneled there lol!
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Local media here in Indy report that the rides are being moved to their other remaining parks. The stories also indicated that park was somewhat profitable, but not enough to continue putting the nec $ into maintenance or capex.
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21 hours ago, Oldiesmann said:
I would imagine Disney is trying to do damage control and downplay the severity of this incident given the buzz that's been surrounding this attraction, but it's definitely far more serious than they're trying to say.
Yet reports out of WDW state that it will reopen mid week.
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The Ohio Supreme Court ruled in June of 1978 that the Plaintiff was entitled to a trial based on what KI was under an obligation to tell him before he boarded. The case was sent back down to the Warren Co, Court of Common Pleas for a trial. Court records aren't archived back that far, so if someone wanted to close the loop, they could start by contacting the attorney for the Plaintiff, who was Robert H Davis and asking if the case settled on remand.
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Times change, management changes, standards change. While the PTC of old did not have a problem with one side running backwards, the PTC of 2008 (when the backwards train was turned around) changed course and recommended that both sides run forwards. If the park ever ordered new trains, they could conceivably order ones that have the capability of running backwards. Until then, chalk this up to a small oversight. As noted above, other announcement videos featured park elements that were either outdated, or non-existent.
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4 hours ago, CoasterFreak45 said:
I REALLY hope they sell these teaser posters in prints. I would love that Rotor one.
It's not heavily advertised, but Disney sells attraction posters (for both existing and defunct rides) via Print on Demand at the Art of Disney stores located around WDW and DL. The artwork on these is similar to the artwork on the Disney ones. I would glady buy a set of these reprints and maybe the park could auction off the originals after the announcement to benefit Give Kids the World. If Neil Patrick Harris and John Stamos can buy letters from the old DL entrance sign for millions, clearly these posters could fetch a few thousand from a deep-pocketed enthusiast?
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My wife and I love RC. We got engaged on the Harmony 2 years ago, cruised on her sister the Symphony last year and are going back on Harmony in Jan. Great ships with lots to do! Plus, a quick pre-cruise trip to the Studios to see SWL!
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19 hours ago, Joshua said:
They also did a POLTERGEIST maze recently, from which the first season of STRANGER THINGS (as well as Insidious) borrows heavily*. (IMO It is also one of the best haunted house movies ever made.)
Ironically, they own the rights to some of the most iconic horror characters of all time, but are having the toughest time bringing them back to theaters.
*Although technically POLTERGEIST borrowed from the "Little Girl Lost" episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE.
I also went through that maze a couple of times as well. When I got there, it was close to pouring, but since they clear the park between closing and HHN, there are basically only a couple of indoor holding areas, which are a couple of the restaurants along the NY section of the park, which filled up fast. Once the park reopened, there was a long line for Poltergeist, but not for ST ironically. It began pouring, so by the time I made it under the overhang, about 20 minutes later (the maze was housed in a soundstage), I was soaked! It was worth it, however, because IMO, this was the best maze of the event, hands down. I found that the smaller mazes towards the back in temp Quonset huts (like Blumhouse) were just meh.
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4 hours ago, AdventureExpress35 said:
If i’m not mistaken, Universal Orlando is going to have a Stranger Things-themed HHN house this fall.
They had it last year as well. I went through it a couple of times. I thought it was really well done. It's in the front of the park, in the green space in front of their Universal Amphitheatre replica.
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HHN is def a lot of fun. I went last year on a Thursday in late Sept, and I'd put the crowd level at about a 5. I found that the mazes at the front of the park were better than those at the back, which were often housed in temp quonset huts. The big haunt last year was Stranger Things, which is back this year. It was pretty fun, as was Poltergeist, which was housed in one of the soundstages. I wanted to get through all the mazes, so I sprung for their Express Pass, but if you arrive early enough and hit the big mazes first, you shouldn't need one on most non weekend nights.
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New no smoking policy inside the park?
in Kings Island
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RFYLCB and Congo usually open with the park, while WWC typically opens 1-2 hours after park open..whether that will be the case this year remains to be seen. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.