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http://www.sixflags.com/greatAdventure/rides/greenlantern.aspx And yes, it is a standing coaster.

And interestingly, there was absolutely no mention of "standing-up," or being a "stand-up" coaster (which is typically a standing-coaster's real selling point, and the thing that marketing just can't say enough about)... Perhaps things are CHANGing more than we thought?

And that's what it's based on for so many people - the Kings Island you knew, especially when you were younger, will usually be the Kings Island you prefer. For me, my memories all involve Paramount's Kings Island - even the name just sounds epic, like it should be spoken by the deep voice of the movie-trailer guy. My visits always meant grand music on International Street; the isolated, dark, shaded Rivertown; Tomb Raider & the Italian Job with music, water, & flames... For my friends who I have only begun taking in the past couple of years, I'm sure they'd be content with the Kings Island of today (if I didn't talk-up Paramount's Kings Island quite as much as I do). Someone who remembers such great childhood memories with friends & relatives at Paramount's Kings Island is always going to glorify those days. Why do I recall Tomb Raider, and specific conversations, and specific feelings I had at Paramount's Kings Island, but do not recall a single trashcan being overflowed, or any long lines, or any rude employees? Because my trips have been romanticized by my memory. That's what everyone does. For some, their best memories were during the Paramount era. For others, before. And for still others, after. Such is life.

But then again, Busch Gardens Williamsburg might as well not be seasonal... After all, it charges more than any other seasonal park in the nation, stays open for Halloween and Christmas, and is the only major park out of the big seven owned by its operator that isn't open all year long. So basically, all of its sister parks are making money all the way around the calender, and Williamsburg probably gets an equal cut of the profits (even though it operates far less). And, how many seasonal parks are of the same caliber of Busch Gardens Williamsburg? In my casual, limited, haven't-traveled-much-and-have-never-been-to-a-Six-Flags-outside-of-Ohio opinion, none... It's treated by its owners as an annual-operation park that needs to compete with other annual-operation parks like Universal and Disney. And in my opinion, it could. And you're absolutely right. However, so much of the "realistic animatronic" market is geared towards Halloween, haunted houses, etc. Let's suspend reality and say that Paramount wanted to create a more "traditional" dark ride (in other words, using a track through a building with various props and effects). What could they have found to replicate the experience of traversing a tomb? Look at DarKastle - the library, the suits of armor, the wolves, the tornado, the music room... It would be almost impractical to try to build that experience physically. Especially Spiderman. Without the technology present in the ride, it would not be world-famous. In fact, there is up in Clifton Hill at Niagara Falls that uses physical props and a traditional ride system instead of the hybrid ride... It's just not the same, because there's a limitation.Yes, the animatronic props at that site are incredible (and I start to sweat if I even think about encountering one in the dark - and no, I do not and will not visit the Dent Schoolhouse, as I am not a haunted attraction kind of guy ) but they're restricted by genre, and by experience. On a traditional dark ride, or a walk-through, they'd be terrifying. But there is no kind of physical prop that can replicate Spiderman or DarKastle because of the motion simulation aspect, and in those cases, 3D truly is the only way to go.

But (and I'm not saying that you do this, I'm just saying it's a trend) it's the people who say "Well who cares if it's named Flight Deck? The name doesn't change the ride." that also say "I hated that it was named Top Gun! Why the movie promotion?!" Either a name is important, or it isn't. And like I said, there was something to be said about riding Top Gun its first year - you weren't just lining up for a roller coaster, you were walking onto a jet carrier, and whizzing around through fog and listening to "Danger Zone." Tell me that's not better, even if in name only, than taking a quiet, theme-less, generic ride on something called Flight Deck? The fact of the matter is, Kings Island had four rides that were actually themed to movies (& a TV show), more than just in names: Tomb Raider, Top Gun, Flight of Fear, and The Italian Job. Yeah, they were named after movies, and they also represented their namesakes very, very well in the theme department. The Tomb Raider, Top Gun, Outer Limits, and Italian Job properties are very well known, and the rides were great supplements to the films. The only other three rides that had movies names (Days of Thunder, FACE/OFF, and Drop Zone) were named after movies that most people had never heard of. And those who did know of the movie "Drop Zone" probably never in a million years would associate it with the ride. It was just a really, really appropriate name that Paramount happened to own the rights to. I'm sure people know of the movie FACE/OFF, but as I said, the name was more than appropriate for the ride, and it's not as if there were a picture of Nicholas Cage as the "you must be this tall" poster outside the entrance. So basically what I'm saying is, the rides that were named after movies were either very appropriately themed to the movies they were named after, or were named after movies so obscure, that people probably didn't know they were movies anyway. And besides the movie poster plaza in Action Zone (which I actually liked - it fit that areas theme incredibly well), it's not like they were obnoxious about it necessarily, you know?

I don't doubt that dark rides aren't that expensive. The thing is, people expect more and more today. If they go to a park like Knoebel's or Kennywood, sure, they want old-timey attractions like The Old Mill and Noah's Ark. But if a corporate-owned park like Kings Island starts flaunting it's upcoming, brand new dark ride, it better be more than gags behind cages and dim lighting and a musty smell (with all due respect to those older rides, haha). If a new, large park that usually displays additions of $10 million + announces a dark ride, people expect it to be a shooting ride at the least. Typically, I would say that I expect something more than that, even, whether it be a roller coaster dark ride like The Dark Knight, or something new and intensely themed like Tomb Raider - a hybrid dark ride like Spiderman or DarKastle would be ideal. And realistically, those can't be all that expensive. I have heard that each SCOOP vehicle from Spiderman cost about a million dollars. Of course, it was a prototype, and even Intamin today makes a version of that hybrid dark ride that I'm sure would be a lot less expensive. In the case of DarKastle, there's actually not even that much lighting, props, flames, etc. - it really is about 90% 3-D screens. For that, I'm sure, the bulk of money goes into engineering the 3-D film from scratch, etc. And of course, given Cedar Fair's penchant for theme, I can't honestly imagine what they might theme such a ride around. Now, if it were at Cedar Point, I can see a Pirate themed one, because it brings back some of the history of the park and the placement is appropriate. But at Kings Island, it could go anywhere - dinosaurs? I don't know, nothing actually sounds "right," you know? Now if it were still Paramount, I honestly can imagine a "Tomb Raider" hybrid dark ride, combining the great "temple" sets used in The Crypt's queue and on rides like Disneyland's Indiana Jones. What's difficult about the hybrid dark ride is how to theme it, after all... Spiderman set a precedent, and to me, I just couldn't imagine any other ride taking advantage of the system's capabilities. I believe psychologists call it "functional fixedness," where you overlook the obvious secondary functions of something because you're so used to the primary function. What other theme can have you traveling from one "villainous" scene to another, feature great theme like water and fire, make use of 3-D, and culminate in a fall? I could've sat for days and never thought of anything, because "superhero" was the only thing that made sense. Now, I can only imagine superheroes and haunted castles... I can't figure out anything else that would work really, really well (except, as I said, Pirates, and even then, I don't have any specific ideas), but I'm sure once a new one opens, I'll allow that into my perception, too.

The way you typed that, I don't know if you're being sarcastic. But there you go in case you're not! Hahah.

I didn't shoot the video, so I do not know. I found it while perusing a Facebook group of people who worked on Tomb Raider: The Ride. They prefaced the video by saying "We... we failed..." In other words, their diligent attempts to stop on-ride video (a serious concern on a top spin, I'm sure) was unsuccessful at least this once. It was actually pretty funny. I do link the original video in the information on my video. However, you can definitely tell that video was past 2004... Notice it's literally in pitch-black darkness, and as soon as it shows Travel Channel footage (taken in 2002, doubtless) it shows a room filled with hundreds of different colored lights pointing every which way, the blacklight on the "angry" version of the goddess still worked, etc. If the POV video was taken in 2002, it would have those hundreds of lights, the sparker, the laser eyes, etc. I still get chills during the "lava" scene, when the music for that portion just begins and the lava simply bubbles and steams. Then, as soon as the music crescendos, that's when the actual spurts of lava start to shoot up, perfectly in time with the percussion of the music... Plus there's the great finale during the homing sequence, when you circle around the bottom and face the goddess as all of the lights flicker at once. Then, just as the homing sequence finishes, all of the lights go out except her eyes as her laugh fades in the distance and one last billow of fog flies at the gondola in her last attempt to "get you"... Today on The Crypt, you just sit there and look at green walls for like, fifteen or twenty seconds as the ride tries to get back into its home position... Back then, there was something to look at.

If you haven't seen that, it gives you a lot to consider about how Top Gun used to be... The blazing red track, the fog in the valleys, the mist in the station (like a real aircraft carrier), the long-gone airplane billboard right outside the station, etc... Back then, an Arrow suspended coaster was a big deal! And you can't tell me it wasn't at least in part because people were intrigued by the idea of riding a ride based on a film... The fog, the soundtrack in the queue & station, the special effects in the queue... A roller coaster is fun. Riding a roller coaster with multiple, real-life relations to a favorite movie? How could it be anything but better?

Tell me about it...! And if you download the actual ride score (the one with the effects) it's incredible because the drum loop feeds right into the ride soundtrack... So there's that great "final beat" as the drum ends abruptly, and transitions right into the ride score instead of just awkwardly fading out or something. That's the attention to detail I'm talking about... They took the time to think that through, and specially compose that. Who even said they needed to play a musical loop as you board? But they did, and it honestly did pump everyone up! Very, very cool, and as you said, brings back a ton of memories! Now if only someone can translate what the goddess says... (and yes, that is a life goal of mine...)

Yes, I have them, and now, so can you! (I would do this via PM, but they do not work... I don't believe this is against the terms of service). You can download some of them from MegaUpload individually by clicking each song title. The tracks are: 1. The Tunnel Mouth (the ambient music that played outside of the cavern, setting the mood). 2. Collapsed Tunnel (the music that played throughout the tunnel part of the queue). 3. Monkey Chamber (the chanting that began, intensifying the atmosphere once you entered the monkey warrior room). 4. Triangle Door (the sound effect of the Triangle of Light door rolling shut and locking you into the pre-show room) 5. The Preshow (narrated by Lara's father. I also have the music-only version lying around if you'd like it for some reason). 6. Vault Door (the sound of the rising wall opening & closing) 7. Loading Drumbeat (the music that played as you took your seat, pumping everyone up a lot more than the current howling wind loop) 8. The Ride (complete with sound effects - the goddess, bubbling lava, Lara's narration, etc) 9. The Ride (Music Only) (just the score without any special effect noises - the music that, in my opinion, should still be used during the ride if it legally can be, since without any of the added effects, it makes no reference to Tomb Raider and still pumps you up. Even a shortened, remixed-to-slight-fit-the-ride-cycle version would be an improvement over today's "score"). I also took someone else's POV video of the ride (likely the unapproved one you saw) and added in the score (and some Travel Channel footage) to give people an idea of the way that the score synchronized. You can view that video .EDIT: Annnndddd, they're on PKI Tunes. Thanks for stealin' my thunder CedarPointer!

If that's true, it looks as though this year may go down as the Year of the Tower in the theme park almanacs... Canada's Wonderland, Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm, Kings Island, Busch Gardens Williamsburg, Six Flags St. Louis... Oh my!

No, but it does alternate between two & three, while Millennium & Intimidator alternate between 2 and 4. Meanwhile, iSpeed (the other Blitz coaster) alternates between 2, 3, and 4. I don't know the reasoning, but I don't think that seeing any one style limits what model the ride could be...

Early rumors has been that this will be the next launched Blitz coaster... Sort of like a sequel to Maverick. Makes sense, since a ride of that type (long, slightly inclined launch, tight, ground-hugging turns through a savannah, into tunnels, hidden second launch) would fit the rumored cheetah theme really well. Especially considering that many have said this will be in the vein of "Manta," where it interacts with an animal exhibit. Imagine a roller coaster speeding "through" an actual cheetah exhibit, where they may be jumping and bounding and running alongside you.

From Six Flags' Twitter:

I just like how the extra thought was put into Paramount's attractions. See, for example, FACE/OFF. I tend to believe it's more than a coincidence that you literally "face off" against your friends (or complete strangers) with the unique face-to-face seating. It's so simple, and so obvious, but it was just a really nice touch that still gives the ride a sense of uniqueness even today. It's one thing to ride a boomerang coaster. It's a whole other creature when you're staring at your friends, suspended under the track, and I really think that Paramount knew that when they purchased it. Obviously I couldn't talk about Paramount's successes without mentioning Tomb Raider: The Ride. It was groundbreaking in most every way. Mechanically, it ended up being less than desired: today, if you visit the HUSS website, you can purchase a Giant Top Spin with a capacity of 56... HUSS somewhat "admitted defeat" and came to terms with the fact that the 77-seater simply did not and could not operate, and thus the only offering now is for a 56-seater. Thematically, the ride also fell quite a distance under both owners. However, you simply cannot talk about the history of theme parks without alluding to Tomb Raider: The Ride, which proved (if temporarily) that smaller, regional, seasonal parks can have synchronized soundtracks, water effects, theatrical lighting, storylines, and a real sense of immersion & adventure. I truly believe that it (and many other Paramount Parks attractions) paved the way for many of today's most well-themed rides, from Talocan, to Kings Dominion's Crypt, and even things like Six Flags' Bizarro. It blurred the line between thrill rides, and dark rides, and raised the standard for seasonal amusement parks, proving that a typical budget can be used to create a mysterious, interesting ride. I know it's hard to recall at this point, but look at that linked article, and google image search, and just be amazed at the attention to detail, lighting, movement, and atmosphere of the queue alone... How lucky we were to have such a ride, if even for one year. Talk about a different time... Interestingly, DAFE (Darkride & Funhouse Enthusiasts) settled the debate, and proclaimed Tomb Raider: The Ride to be one of very few "crossover darkrides." That status has naturally fallen onto its successor, and today, the DAFE Database considers The Crypt a darkride. I, personal, just consider it dark.

Perhaps those longer lines were not due to poor operation, but higher attendance... It was a different time in many ways, wasn't it? And at the time, the park was lacking a real "signature" ride that would soak up the crowds. Again, I would take the Paramount days over the Cedar Fair days, but only slightly. I'm not some fool who goes "I wantz da movie names back lolololol" without understanding the situation any further. And you must admit, it would have been absolutely incredible to see what they did with the parks given a better budget towards everyday operations & maintenance. And when it comes to cloning rides, it's absolutely not even an issue. Look at Disney rides that are clones: Tower of Terror, Fantasmic, Ariel's Undersea Adventure, most every dark ride in Fantasyland, Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Rockin' Roller Coaster, Soarin', Star Tours [iI], Big Thunder Mountain, Jungle Cruise, Turtle Talk With Crush... Literally, most every ride that's proven popular has between one and five clones. Simple as that. And does the average guest know that? More importantly, does it somehow detract from the guest experience that there's another Pirates of the Caribbean in Paris? Doubtful. I think when someone rides Flight of Fear, the last thing on their mind is to cynically say to their friends, "Oh, well, you know there's one of these in Virginia." If they even know that there's one in Virginia, they probably haven't ridden it. Cedar Fair has done a lot of things right. In fact, there isn't much that they've expressly done wrong when it comes to the day-to-day operation aspect. However, they have (intentionally or unintentionally) hurt the park by forgetting about atmosphere. That's in-park music, pre-shows, storylines, landscaping, dining, shopping, foliage, and more. When Taft owned the park, that theme was Disney-esque, with beautiful, lively, mysterious areas. When Paramount owned the park, they attempted to make things more "epic" and colorful and cinematic. Today, it's different. Look at Coney mall compared to photos of its hey day and try not to shake your head in disapproval at what its become simply due to a lack of paint, music, lights, etc.

Well deserved, says this casual observer! And yes, that's based on his track record in the industry, and what he did for the ole' HMS Six Flags during his short time at the helm... It's not easy to bail out that much water, but he got the thing floating again, and hopefully on the track for long-term success.

^ Pagoda, this post is exactly why I love this place - I couldn't disagree more on many of the things you said, but I still respect what you think and it's interesting to read regardless. I believe Paramount's additions were extremely groundbreaking. Flight of Fear, Volcano, Stealth, Son of Beast, Drop Zone, Tomb Raider... Not only did they push the limits of technology during their respective times, but their level of themeing was absolutely unheard of outside of California & Florida. A pre-show... in an Ohio theme park? Fog machines? Flames? On-ride audio? Did it always last long? No. But I'd rather have the attempt and a few residual effects that are still working years later. For example, I consider Backlot Stunt Coaster in my top ten roller coaster experiences on Earth (and I've ridden just over 100, so it's not as if I've only been to Cedar Point and Kings Island). Is the layout inspired? No. Are the forces tremendous? No. But as an experience, the ride was top-notch. Ride The Revenge of the Mummy in Florida... The fast-paced coaster section is a family ride at best. But it's known as one of the best rides on Earth. Love them or hate them, Paramount had someone, somewhere, literally compose from scratch a score for Tomb Raider: The Ride that synced up to the rides movements. Can you imagine? I mean, truly consider that. If you ever want the complete Tomb Raider: The Ride score, let me know - there are about 10 tracks that played in the plaza out front and queue alone, simply "ambient" music that in no way affected the ride. None of it was from the movie. It was specially created. And my God is that the type of thing that made you truly feel like you were in Universal Studios or something... In Ohio! Tomb Raider: The Ride was groundbreaking. How much did a typical Top Spin cost back then? Maybe $5 million? So maybe the Giant one was $10 million? How much of the $20 million budget was spent on effects, lighting, music, fog, interior design, atmosphere, etc. And yeah, the building doesn't look good, but as I said earlier, if they had constructed a giant Indian temple facade around it, it would be accused of ruining Rivertown more than it already does! And forget not that, until Diamondback's construction and the removal of Swan Lake, the ride was actually quite secluded, and the ride building hidden a lot more than it is now. There are numerous debates we could get into: Son of Beast doesn't match Action Zone? Action Zone, supposedly, was themed to a studio backlot where you were a stunt double, stepping into a scene from an action movie. Son of Beast's "storyline" was that The Beast's offspring was captured and relocated to a high-tech government facility (hence, passing under the Top Gun / American flag bridge, the bright, metallic colors of the station, the swirling red lights) and that you were stepping aboard a Perimeter Surveillance Vehicle (the PSV tattooed on the sides of the original trains) to ensure it was still in the enclosure. Then, something goes terribly wrong. How does that not fit Action Zone? And if it doesn't, where else should it have gone? And in Action Zone's defense, Adventure Village had (according to what I hear) fallen into disrepair, with most none of its original charm. Sure, that was Paramount's fault, but at least they decided to re-invest and create a brand-spanking-new area instead of letting it rot further and adding a nice area elsewhere. Personally, I kind of like Action Zone - it's supposed to look like a bright, colorful, explosive studio backlot with the park's multi-colored, crazy rides, and people screaming and laughing all around you. I think it accomplished that in its hey-day. When it comes to "removing the parks original charm," everyone who will ever own the park will play a part. Canada's Wonderland is having its Jet Scream ride removed for WindSeeker. It's not that old, but it's a piece of history nonetheless. If Kings Island today had the same lineup of rides as it did in 1972, it would be better off in some ways, and worse off in others. Paramount removed the Flying Eagles. And that makes many of the long-time visitors here angry. Cedar Fair removed Swan Lake, which also makes people upset, but Diamondback is "worth it" and The Italian Job "was not." I submit for my thought of the day that I'd rather have The Crypt, even in the state its in now, than the log flume that was formerly located there. Call me crazy if you must, but it's an opinion. It's all opinions, everywhere, all the time. I respect yours, because I know you and the others here always respect mine.

Certainly. But that wasn't Paramount's goal. Some liked it, and some hated it, but their intention was to showcase their films. I would much rather have had Tomb Raider: The Ride for five years, than a top spin themed to a tornado in a barn for ten. You didn't have to be a fan of the movie to enjoy the theme. Universal, Disney, Merlin... All of their parks have rides that showcase adventure. The pure, exhilarating, energetic sense of adventure. Tombs, temples, curses, ghosts, goddesses... Indiana Jones Adventure, Tomb Blaster, The Revenge of the Mummy, Poseidon's Fury... And even today, I would rather have the adventurous, mysterious, story-less Crypt rather than a "barn" themed ride that might fit more appropriately. So yes, I do what Paramount did - pick a movie and then find a way to squeeze it in. But doing anything otherwise would be doing what Cedar Fair does - wanting a giant, pure-thrills ride, dropping it somewhere, and then coming up with a halfway-decent, barely-acceptable name that sort of fits the general idea of the area it's located in (see, Diamondback). In other words, Paramount started with the theme (usually, a movie) and built out from there. Cedar Fair picks a ride (like, a hypercoaster) and then barely progresses out from there towards theme, maybe going so far as a "barn" station or a sign that sort of fits the idea. Neither is right, and neither is wrong. But when mixed together, the park sort of feels disjointed. A halfway-working ride like Backlot Stunt Coaster that any casual observer can see used to have more, located next to a giant, new red coaster with barely any theme whatsoever in a cleared out field...

And I don't think I need to tell you it's a steal! You just got season-long entry, free parking, extra ride time, and many more discounts and amenities for the 2009 price of a two-day ticket! Congrats, and welcome!

I'd pay a lot of nickels to have him watch this show, then take the state to deliver a short little message about how proud he is of Kings Island and (lest we forget) how "it's back to the way it was in the 80's and early 90's!" Oh, except when it comes to midget wrestling, bloody, nasty Halloween events, a lack of theme, disregard for atmosphere, awful food at terrible prices, refusing refunds after a four hour blackout, etc. Yeah. Lindler would be proud.

Yes, things were "misplaced." Some are more frustrating than others. For example, The Italian Job: Stunt Track. I do not claim to know what thought processes went into the decision of its placement. But off the top of my head, I would guess that not much thinking at all. I, like many of the park's visitors today, do not remember the Antique Cars, and I certainly would rather have Backlot Stunt Coaster than them (which, I know, puts me in the minority here. But not necessarily out in the "real world"). However, there's absolutely positively no denying that it fits PERFECTLY into Action Zone and, by all accounts that we've seen, would literally fit like a puzzle piece on the area of land currently occupied by Thunder Alley. That's frustrating, but again, it's not detrimental to the park's operation. When people complain about Tomb Raider's placement, I really don't know what to tell them. Where else would you have it placed? Because our Adventure Village was removed, we didn't have the luxury of a "Congo" area like Kings Dominion. I'm proud to say we ever had a ride like that in our park. If Tomb Raider still operated as it did when it first opened, I wouldn't care if they put it in X-Base, or Planet Snoopy. They chose Kings Island to receive it, and the best option is Rivertown. And remember, that Rivertown wasn't an open plaza with a small concrete lake in the center. The Rivertown it was placed in was highly, highly shaded, with the beautiful Swan Lake in the center. When it was placed, it was actually well-hidden. A tiny little cave tucked away in the woods. The showbuilding was surrounded by trees, and honestly, it wasn't that distracting at all. Today, yes, it's instrusive, because the new open layout of Rivertown allows it to be seen from anywhere, and the trees that partially hid the showbuilding were removed for Diamondback. And yes, it's a big, ugly box... Well how would you have disguised it? Paint it brown? Cover it with dirt and grass? A random 100 foot tall hill? Even if Paramount had built a faux Indian temple around the thing, people would've said it ruined Rivertown (which, in fairness, it would've... But doesn't Diamondback?) Basically, until Italian Job, they really did do a pretty good job. And all of three Backlot Stunt Coasters, ours is easily the most appropriately-placed. Wonderland's is literally under Behemoth, and Dominion's is "in the Congo" (I'll argue til the day I die that it's very clearly seperated into its own mini-area) at worst, and tucked into the waterpark at best. Definitely not as nice as ours...

If you ask me, this should end up being the final impetus to limit the number of alcoholic beverages one can consume during Halloween Haunt in the park. I understand that it's probably the largest income the park has besides admission, especially during this event. But as we ended up discussing last year once some of the park's "scareactors" got on here and made note of physical & verbal abuse from intoxicated guests, there is a point where the safety & comfort of guests and employees must be a higher priority than income from alcohol sales. And this year, with big groups of men hanging around in the Festhaus watching this absolutely abhorrent wrestling stunt, things will NOT get better, and I highly doubt they'll stay the same, either...

Really? Seems to me CBS maximized its return on the parks to an extent no one thought possible...and all it took was a Winterfest. A Winterfest, and a very persistent man in Sandusky... CBS did maximize profit. I suppose what I meant was, that's how you buy and sell amusement parks if you want harmonious transitions in power, minimal re/de-branding, and the least amount of confusion for visitors, employees, and the industry. The transition between CBS and Cedar Fair Entertainment Company was anything but harmonious. Ask any former general manager. Ask the public if they've noticed a change. Ask families. Ask teens. I'm not saying it's for the better, or the worse, and it certainly varies between groups, individuals, etc. But that was not an ideal situation when it comes to park sales. For CBS? Probably. For Cedar Fair unitholders? Higher-ups? Employees? Guests? To re-iterate what you said: Cedar Fair is not Paramount Parks... But is SeaWorld Parks the same as Busch Entertainment? In most ways, yes.