KIBeast Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Tiger Brothers Had Slingshots: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012008/news/...hots_480170.htm Ahhhh, and now more of the facts come out. How was it I suspected that this trio were not the saints that many were making them out to be. Sounds like he's basing it off of the article and reciting it as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 An interesting twist on the story is that the boy that was killed may not have been connected with the other two that are alleged to have taunted the tiger. If this is true, it brings another realm into the liability area. If these other two created a situation that they agitated this tiger, the may have contributed to the death. Ohhhh, this could be a fun claim to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 From the accounts I have read, they were friends, and frequently went places together. The two survivors are brothers of each other.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 So exactly what are the recommended heights for enclosures from the AZA for? Protect the people from the animals or protect the animals from the people? both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 Tatiana was framed? http://gridskipper.com/340525/san-francisc...iana-was-framed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 City Attorney Demands Preservation of Potential Evidence In Tiger Attack: http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2008/01.../MNVKU9L9L.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 "Don't tell them what we did," paramedics heard 23-year-old Kulbir Dhaliwal tell his younger brother, Paul, 19. That speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 "Don't tell them what we did," paramedics heard 23-year-old Kulbir Dhaliwal tell his younger brother, Paul, 19. That speaks volumes. Don't Taze Me Bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 Wall Street Journal: When Animals Go AWOL, Zoos Try To Tame Bad PR http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1199502573...=googlenews_wsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 AP: Attendance Up At Zoo After Tiger Attack http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hnDuXiw...n3BMNgD8TVUDVO0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 CNN: No Charges In Tiger Attack; No Evidence Of Tiger Taunting http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/07/tiger.att...ref=mpstoryview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 It is intresting that the article states the brothers will not be charged for taunting the tiger, but what about the individual that perished? Since the brothers now seem to be cooperating, did they blow in their buddy for taunting? And where are the BAC results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 It is intresting that the article states the brothers will not be charged for taunting the tiger, but what about the individual that perished? Since the brothers now seem to be cooperating, did they blow in their buddy for taunting? And where are the BAC results? Easy to implicate someone that no longer has the ability to defend himself. 10 to 1 they all ganged up on the dead man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 Emergency Order Bars Tiger Survivors From Getting Their Car, Phones: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...8/MNM6UBGRT.DTL **** Brothers Attend Friend's Funeral: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/...ers-hurt-i.html **** Lawyer: Zoo Smears Brothers http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008..._by_tiger/8167/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 AP: Ex-Worker: Zoo Ignored Safety Complaints http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwqHyIO...jSjSTgD8U2OLI80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 The disgruntled employee surfaces. ... it was only a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 AP: Leopard Rips Hole In San Fran Zoo Enclosure: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMxFKgL...NDq8CQD8U3VGP81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Butcher Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Something similar happened while I was at the Columbus Zoo in 6th grade for a Boy scout overnight at the zoo. It was about midnight, and we were getting ready to do a nature walk to some of the conservation offices on the other side of the zoo, and we recieved word that we could not go out yet, due to a snow leopard climbing out and over its fencing. They contained the snow leopard, put it back in its enclosure, and we were able to go about the rest of our business. The issue has since been rectified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 The disgruntled employee surfaces. ... it was only a matter of time. As an associate of an A.Z.A. facility, I must respond to this. You see, honestly, I have not read the article from or about the former associate, and I have no intention to do so. All that I need to know about the individual is that they are a "FORMER ASSOCIATE." You see, I worked full time crap jobs to get through years of college which at times seemed doomed of all hope to pass the required courses, due mostly to lack of money and exhaustion, but the fact is that myself and countless other individuals did it. We finished our major. We moved on, and we have become a part of the conservation effort of the future. And may I add that I applaud anyone else who has accomplished their long term goal of graduating or is working on such a goal. But my point is that I wanted it. And I wanted it so very badly, that even when all seemed lost, I kept fighting for it. And now, after years of being involved with wildlife, I think that I can honestly say that I love the decision that I made to work with animals. And you know, it is a proven fact that a lot of people who work with animals live healthier lives than a lot of people. They have less stress, because most of them, like myself, love their jobs, and their jobs provide good excercise, and you always have to think, which is an enjoyable aspect of the nature of the job. My point is that Zoo's in nature are far from being like your average job with a massive turnover rate, ( take Wal-Mart for example...the company has a higher turnover rate than almost any other in this country ) To say the least, Zoo's have one of the smallest %ages for turnover rates. Most who work with the animals either keep their hire on positions, move up through the facility, desire to work a broader area, ( more areas ), and eventually retire from their careers with animals. Many, ( I know quite a few ) have actually chosen to hold off from retiring because they love their jobs so much. Others ( like myself ) often transfer from One park to another, for a chance to work with a broader variety of animals. And the demand is incredible. I had an official from the Jacksonville Zoo once tell me that they often get between 500-1000 resumes and applications for any One job posting available. This to me, is just incredible. What I am trying to get at, is that if you are a former associate of one zoo, and not working at another, then chances are you probably did not do your job very well, if you performed it accurately at all. Many people might get terminated from an A.Z.A. facility for failing to perform proper animal check-ups, resulting in animal deaths, or lazy or undetermined associates who foolishly fail to lock up an animals enclosure, or fail to count animals before entering an enclosure. ( on many occasions, new animals may be added to an enclosure, and not everyone necessarily has to be informed ) It is the keepers responsibility to count the animals before ever unlocking, and or opening a door to enter, or exit an animals habitat. ( Kings Island's Wild Animal Habitat and it's Lions are a good example of this ) My point is if this associate is "FORMER" and is trying to place blame on the zoo, then chances are the individual probably really screwed something up bigtime, and is still to stubborn to realize that they goofed up. But this is all just my guess, because again, I refuse to even read the article from this individual. I would feel to much like a principal wanting to discipline misbehaving school children in the 60's I think. thank you for your time m.f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 NY Post: Tiger-Slay 'Drug Use & Taunts' http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122008/news/...unts_712681.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 SFGate: Possible Evidence in Tiger Attack to be Debated in Court: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=192022 SFGate: Lawyers say City, Zoo on shaky legal ground if tiger victims sue: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...3/BAKDUD50Q.DTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 This is definitely going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 KCBS: San Fran Zoo Will Undergo Industry Peer Review: http://www.kcbs.com/SF-Zoo-Will-Undergo-In...-Review/1470378 San Fran Mercury News: Tight Friends Tested Limits Before Tiger Attack: http://origin.mercurynews.com/lifestyle/ci_7960021 (requires registration or bugmenot.com ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGatorHead 8904 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 ^ In the 2nd article, it says "Carlos' parents could see that "Paul was changing," but they say they didn't know about his escalating criminal record". Now, tiger mauling aside, this kid was 17, which is still a minor, and his parents had no idea he was getting in trouble with the law? That is what I call great parenting there. Aren't the police notifying the parents when a minor is arrested? Why bother having kids in the first place if you can't instill some respect for rules/laws in them? I'm not referring to any taunting of lions that may or may not have occured, but the other violations he and his friends committed: drinking beer and smoking marijuana in a parking lot, and a month later leading police on a chase at >100 mph, then running from the police after he crashed. And the parents had no idea. I would think my parents would have heard about me being in a high speed chase, why not Carlos' parents? In their opinion their son was an angel. And now he may literally be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 Frantic 911 Tiger Attack Calls Released: http://www.ktvu.com/news/15055990/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 AP: Zoo Attack Victims' Car, Phones Searched: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hnDuXiw...n3BMNgD8U7B5TG0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I just wonder exactly what they are expecting to find on a cell phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Pictures, video, text messages, voice mails etc. Anything to imcriminate the three victims. My guess is that there are pics they took while taunting the tiger. Or at least that is what the zoo is hoping to find. They were quoted in the ambulance to not admit what they were doing before the attack. The zoo knows that those three just did not show up at the tiger cage, and 30 seconds later the tiger went nuts. Those guys were there for a while, doing whatever it was to upset the tiger enough that it went wild. During that time, they could have very easily taken a pic or video. But again, that is just my speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 NBC11: Zoo Rep: Police Found Blood 'Inside' Tiger Enclosure: http://www.nbc11.com/newsarchive/15079337/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Butcher Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The writing (a shoeprint too!) is on the wall, for these three... "Police: Tiger Attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting" http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/01/18/tiger...=rss_topstories Partial quote: Toxicology results for Dhaliwal showed that his blood alcohol level was 0.16 -- twice the legal limit for driving, according to the affidavit. His 24-year-old brother Kulbir Dhaliwal and Sousa also had alcohol in their blood but within the legal limit, Matthews wrote. All three also had marijuana in their systems, Matthews said. Kulbir Dhaliwal told police that the three had smoked pot and each had "a couple shots of vodka" before leaving San Jose for the zoo on Christmas Day the affidavit said. Police found a small amount of marijuana in Kulbir Dhaliwal's 2002 BMW, which the victims rode to the zoo, as well as a partially filled bottle of vodka, according to court documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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