NOTIFY PARK SECURITY

[KIBeast]

To Thrill Biscuit and Kwindshawne, that IS the truth. Kids do not fear ANY authoritative figures.

[IheartKI]

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

[CoastersRZ]

Does CP still use greeters and station separators on most of their major coasters? I know that they still were last year. I`m actually kind of surprised that they haven`t instituted the separator at the coaster stations like at Cedar Point. Currently the only ride they do that at at Kings Island (excluding Delrium, which is more due to the design of its queue rather then staffing issues) is Firehawk. It would certainly make the station area of rides like The Beast and Flight of Fear a lot less chaotic if they had a separator in the stations.

[WooferBearATL]

The reason for all the bad behavior is that fewer and fewer people have any respect for authoritah...I mean authority. We're about three generations removed from the days when parents could correct their offspring without fear of being shunned by society for 'bruising their kids' egoes'. Now, those unbruised egoes are doing whatever they want, careless of whatever others think. If they can get away with whatever they want growing up at home, what's going to make them obey a sign, or someone with a radio and a badge?

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

Are you really a pediatrician? If you are, you're aware that there is a difference between abuse and discipline. No one "goes to jail" for discipline or corporal punishment. As for going to jail, that is not normally what happens in abuse cases. You would appear before a Magistrate to determine the next course of action and the children would be placed into protective custody. But as a pediatrician you know this?

[IheartKI]

The reason for all the bad behavior is that fewer and fewer people have any respect for authoritah...I mean authority. We're about three generations removed from the days when parents could correct their offspring without fear of being shunned by society for 'bruising their kids' egoes'. Now, those unbruised egoes are doing whatever they want, careless of whatever others think. If they can get away with whatever they want growing up at home, what's going to make them obey a sign, or someone with a radio and a badge?

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

Are you really a pediatrician? If you are, you're aware that there is a difference between abuse and discipline. No one "goes to jail" for discipline or corporal punishment. As for going to jail, that is not normally what happens in abuse cases. You would appear before a Magistrate to determine the next course of action and the children would be placed into protective custody. But as a pediatrician you know this?

Yes! Med School, residency, balancing three kids, and being married...all by 27. Why are you so interested in me being a doctor anyway? As I said in a former post, I do not practice because I stay home with my kids. I will admit that I am relatively young and I don't have a lot of experience compared to other people in my field, but full fledge doctor...yes. Me having my specialization in pediatrics has nothing to do with my former post btw.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic about going to jail for spanking. All I was saying was that if I want to spank my children, I will, and I could care less what the public thinks if they see me spank my child. And probably in 15 years my children won't be the ones line jumping.

[Thrill_Biscuit]

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

Thanks, WooferBearATL. I don't think it's too much on the contrary, though. I was a security guard at the Auburn Mall in Auburn, Maine, and I processed a young shoplifter who was caught red-handed by the store manager, and we turned her over to the police (following strict policy). Her parents and about 6 others showed up that day and threatened to throw us through a plate glass window, you know, because the smart alec little girl was such a perfect little saint. Talk about ego. You're right about poor parenting. I'm right about the ego factor. Failure to discipline children IS poor parenting, and it comes from parents wanting to be friends instead of parents to their kids.

[IheartKI]

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I'm willing to bet that WooferBearATL doesn't have any kids either.

[Guest kwindshawne]

The reason for all the bad behavior is that fewer and fewer people have any respect for authoritah...I mean authority. We're about three generations removed from the days when parents could correct their offspring without fear of being shunned by society for 'bruising their kids' egoes'. Now, those unbruised egoes are doing whatever they want, careless of whatever others think. If they can get away with whatever they want growing up at home, what's going to make them obey a sign, or someone with a radio and a badge?

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

Are you really a pediatrician? If you are, you're aware that there is a difference between abuse and discipline. No one "goes to jail" for discipline or corporal punishment. As for going to jail, that is not normally what happens in abuse cases. You would appear before a Magistrate to determine the next course of action and the children would be placed into protective custody. But as a pediatrician you know this?

Yes! Med School, residency, balancing three kids, and being married...all by 27. Why are you so interested in me being a doctor anyway? As I said in a former post, I do not practice because I stay home with my kids. I will admit that I am relatively young and I don't have a lot of experience compared to other people in my field, but full fledge doctor...yes. Me having my specialization in pediatrics has nothing to do with my former post btw.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic about going to jail for spanking. All I was saying was that if I want to spank my children, I will, and I could care less what the public thinks if they see me spank my child. And probably in 15 years my children won't be the ones line jumping.

Don't be so sure. I have done a lot of things my folks would never think I would do.

Kudos to you for staying home with the kids-I would much rather work. Being in the medical field and seeing what a mess it is, there is no way I would do it even though I considered PA school at one time. Don't you miss using your education?

[WooferBearATL]

Thanks, WooferBearATL. I don't think it's too much on the contrary, though. I was a security guard at the Auburn Mall in Auburn, Maine, and I processed a young shoplifter who was caught red-handed by the store manager, and we turned her over to the police (following strict policy). Her parents and about 6 others showed up that day and threatened to throw us through a plate glass window, you know, because the smart alec little girl was such a perfect little saint. Talk about ego. You're right about poor parenting. I'm right about the ego factor. Failure to discipline children IS poor parenting, and it comes from parents wanting to be friends instead of parents to their kids.

And that's what the kick in the butt is.

When some of us were growing up, we would never be able to do the things that children get away with now.

Man, if I'd acted up in a public place, my butt would be trotted outside and taken care of.

We just knew better.

[IheartKI]

The reason for all the bad behavior is that fewer and fewer people have any respect for authoritah...I mean authority. We're about three generations removed from the days when parents could correct their offspring without fear of being shunned by society for 'bruising their kids' egoes'. Now, those unbruised egoes are doing whatever they want, careless of whatever others think. If they can get away with whatever they want growing up at home, what's going to make them obey a sign, or someone with a radio and a badge?

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

Are you really a pediatrician? If you are, you're aware that there is a difference between abuse and discipline. No one "goes to jail" for discipline or corporal punishment. As for going to jail, that is not normally what happens in abuse cases. You would appear before a Magistrate to determine the next course of action and the children would be placed into protective custody. But as a pediatrician you know this?

Yes! Med School, residency, balancing three kids, and being married...all by 27. Why are you so interested in me being a doctor anyway? As I said in a former post, I do not practice because I stay home with my kids. I will admit that I am relatively young and I don't have a lot of experience compared to other people in my field, but full fledge doctor...yes. Me having my specialization in pediatrics has nothing to do with my former post btw.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic about going to jail for spanking. All I was saying was that if I want to spank my children, I will, and I could care less what the public thinks if they see me spank my child. And probably in 15 years my children won't be the ones line jumping.

Don't be so sure. I have done a lot of things my folks would never think I would do.

Kudos to you for staying home with the kids-I would much rather work. Being in the medical field and seeing what a mess it is, there is no way I would do it even though I considered PA school at one time. Don't you miss using your education?

Thank you! I just went to school because it was what I was expected to do by my parents. And then I just kept going, and going and going! But all I ever wanted to do was be a stay-at-home mom, so in my eyes I am doing what I always wanted to do...I have my dream job There are days when I need to escape though...that's when I head to Kings Island Sometimes alone if I'm lucky

[WooferBearATL]

I'm willing to bet that WooferBearATL doesn't have any kids either.

7 years doing work for Hamilton County Department of Human Services (Now Known as Jobs and Family Services)

- 4 of those working as an ongoing case manager in the Children's Services Division

- Add in teaching parenting classes on Saturday's and some weeknights.

I've been single for going on 4 years now. My partner and I were together for 7 years and he was not interested in having kids. I won't have kids until I'm in another committed relationship. So if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it's not meant to be.

[IheartKI]

I'm willing to bet that WooferBearATL doesn't have any kids either.

7 years doing work for Hamilton County Department of Human Services (Now Known as Jobs and Family Services)

- 4 of those working as an ongoing case manager in the Children's Services Division

- Add in teaching parenting classes on Saturday's and some weeknights.

I've been single for going on 4 years now. My partner and I were together for 7 years and he was not interested in having kids. I won't have kids until I'm in another committed relationship. So if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it's not meant to be.

I understand completely...sometimes it happens when you least expect it

[The Interpreter]

....Yes! Med School, residency, balancing three kids, and being married...all by 27. Why are you so interested in me being a doctor anyway?....

Perhaps because you keep telling us about it? Otherwise, how would we know?

... Me having my specialization in pediatrics has nothing to do with my former post btw.

Um, okay, but you are the one who mentioned it!

....All I was saying was that if I want to spank my children, I will, and I could care less what the public thinks if they see me spank my child. ...

If you could care less, then you do care some....

Terpy, whose favorite pet peeve is people saying they could care less when they mean they could NOT care less....let's not even get in to "I don't care to..."

[Guest kwindshawne]

The reason for all the bad behavior is that fewer and fewer people have any respect for authoritah...I mean authority. We're about three generations removed from the days when parents could correct their offspring without fear of being shunned by society for 'bruising their kids' egoes'. Now, those unbruised egoes are doing whatever they want, careless of whatever others think. If they can get away with whatever they want growing up at home, what's going to make them obey a sign, or someone with a radio and a badge?

Oh Contrair! It's far less a concern about parents "bruising their kid's egos and far more about poor parenting. More often you run into parents that will say that their little darling is just perfect. How often have you been in a restaurant or public place and a child has just gone wild. The parent will just sit there and ignore the entire situation. I was in a nice Cuban restaurant about a year ago. These brats were running up and down the aisles while their parents sat their at their table and ate. The wait staff had no idea what to do or what to say. Sooooo..... I got up, went to their table and told them that they needed to control their children. The mother got up in a huff and took the children outside. Everyone at the other table just looked shocked that they had been told to take care of these little monsters. That's one of the main reasons that I'm in support of a children's and non-children's section of restaurants.

I will spank my 4-year-old in public if I have to. If I didn't, then he'd learn that its ok to act up in public because he can't get spanked, and he'll continue to do it! One quick smack on the bottom and he'll quit what he's doing with no questions asked. If I get put in jail, I just figure my husband makes enough money to bail me out LOL!

Are you really a pediatrician? If you are, you're aware that there is a difference between abuse and discipline. No one "goes to jail" for discipline or corporal punishment. As for going to jail, that is not normally what happens in abuse cases. You would appear before a Magistrate to determine the next course of action and the children would be placed into protective custody. But as a pediatrician you know this?

Yes! Med School, residency, balancing three kids, and being married...all by 27. Why are you so interested in me being a doctor anyway? As I said in a former post, I do not practice because I stay home with my kids. I will admit that I am relatively young and I don't have a lot of experience compared to other people in my field, but full fledge doctor...yes. Me having my specialization in pediatrics has nothing to do with my former post btw.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic about going to jail for spanking. All I was saying was that if I want to spank my children, I will, and I could care less what the public thinks if they see me spank my child. And probably in 15 years my children won't be the ones line jumping.

Don't be so sure. I have done a lot of things my folks would never think I would do.

Kudos to you for staying home with the kids-I would much rather work. Being in the medical field and seeing what a mess it is, there is no way I would do it even though I considered PA school at one time. Don't you miss using your education?

Thank you! I just went to school because it was what I was expected to do by my parents. And then I just kept going, and going and going! But all I ever wanted to do was be a stay-at-home mom, so in my eyes I am doing what I always wanted to do...I have my dream job There are days when I need to escape though...that's when I head to Kings Island Sometimes alone if I'm lucky

I had one child and screwed up royally-I am still paying for that, and I didn't do it again. Lately, I have been discouraged by one parent to not go to school, and I do it just to keep myself busy-I don't like to be idle-hence working two jobs and going. I don't expect to succeed in my field, just because I don't have the natural ability for it, but I figure if I manage to finish, it might get my foot in the door somewhere. Beyond that, I dont expect much.

I think today's generation is appalled at the way our parents disciplined us, but we didn't have gangs, disrespect, and butt cracks exposed in public.

[The Interpreter]

Hmmm. Let's see....I have degrees in my field, and have spent approximately one third of the last thirty years working in that field...and may soon again be working outside it...An education often qualifies one to do many things one otherwise could not do...It is often the price of entry, relevant or not...and if you don't got the necessary talisman to pass the tolls, you ain't gettin' in. In most cases. That's life.

[Guest kwindshawne]

I hate school-its a well known fact, because its a struggle for me, but at my age, I have no choice. The writing is on the wall-my job will soon be gone, and I have to do something. I am really not up to starting all over again-second time in 6 years. Let's just hope my age will not be detrimental when changing careers.

[iChase]

Interp, please reveal to us what you do. I'm interested.

[iChase]

I know what you guys are talking about. I'm 17 but act more like I'm in my 20's. My parents were raised in the "old" style and raised me in the "old" style. They weren't afraid to use "the hand" when the situation called for it. Of course back then I hated it, but now that I reflect I'm glad they did that and not the new "don't touch your kids" method of parenting. I really think they did a lot of things right. Sure they did things wrong, I was their first and only but I think the good far outweighs the bad.

I'm planning on parenting mostly the same as I was raised. It worked so well for me, that I can only hope it will work out for my kid(s). I never intend to be a violent or a loud parent. I just want to instill my kid with values, common sense, and common courtesy (if it still exists).

Edit: wow, that was weird. I zoned. I didn't even realized I had just posted in this topic. Duh, time for bed.

[KIBeast]

Interp, please reveal to us what you do. I'm interested.

He's really Dick Kinzel!

[WooferBearATL]

Interp, please reveal to us what you do. I'm interested.

He's really Dick Kinzel!

Based upon statementsmade, I think that Interp will not take kindly to that comparison.

[The Interpreter]

I'd probably take more kindly to it than Mr. Kinzel would if someone mistook him for me!

[KIBeast]

I was just throwing that out there as a joke considering I don't think Interpreter is going to reveal what he does. Anyhoo, from what I know of Interp, he is a nice guy and often funny. I have also heard that Mr. Kinzel is quite personable as well. So, no offense to either of you guys.

[dakota2112]

For what it's worth... the ride op on Zephyr last night was using the ride's PA speakers to tell people on the midway to stop smoking. Realistically speaking, everyone riding Zephyr was literally going round and round trapped in a cloud of cigarette smoke - you could smell the smoke for the entire duration of the ride. It didn't really bother me much, but for sensitive riders, I'm sure it would have.

[fryler87]

I'm quasi thankful when ride ops come over the PA and mention, "please refrain from sitting on the handrails" or "no smoking permitted in any line." I distinctly recall a trip to CP about 10 years ago and standing in a long line for Raptor. It was back when the park had a DJ in the queue to help people enjoy thier wait as much as possible. Someone in line was smoking, and between two songs, the DJ said something along the lines of, "...we remind you that smoking is not permitted in any line here at Cedar Point...especially if you're wearing light green shirts tonight..." in reference to the specific rule violator, but being as polite about it as possible.

I bet that person learned their lesson for a good while, if nothing else, for the rest of the night.

[WooferBearATL]

I'm quasi thankful when ride ops come over the PA and mention, "please refrain from sitting on the handrails" or "no smoking permitted in any line." I distinctly recall a trip to CP about 10 years ago and standing in a long line for Raptor. It was back when the park had a DJ in the queue to help people enjoy thier wait as much as possible. Someone in line was smoking, and between two songs, the DJ said something along the lines of, "...we remind you that smoking is not permitted in any line here at Cedar Point...especially if you're wearing light green shirts tonight..." in reference to the specific rule violator, but being as polite about it as possible.

I bet that person learned their lesson for a good while, if nothing else, for the rest of the night.

Yeah, not to wear a light green shirt to CP.

[Karen]

Usually by the end of the day I am so aggravated and upset with the rudeness of people..I'm just ready to go home. I have held a season pass since 1986...and now I have had passes for the whole family for about 12 years. I am getting to the point where I don't even want to go anymore...and I probably won't if Cedar Fair don't get things under control. I'm not trying to be a kill joy or trample on anyones fun...but we all have to share the same space at this park...especially in long lines. It would be nice if everyone could respect others. I try to watch my behavior..I try to watch my language...I don't want to impose upon anyone else or their familys...I just want the same respect for me and mine.

Try being in a wheelchair and having these same rude people cut in front of you when you do not have breaks!!!

[The Interpreter]

Try being in a wheelchair and having these same rude people cut in front of you when you do not have breaks!!!

Or even when you don't have brakes!

[Karen]

after reading all of these posts I am rather concerned about the real safety of the park - this is not because of the current security people around but it seems like they need more. Isn't it sad that people can not be expected to conduct themselves as adults?? Use their manners?? Maybe if they started to EJECT line jumpers that would at least reduce to a workable level.

As for teh smokers do you realize that some people are allergic to the smoke? Smoking makes me very ill and thought I do not feel your rights should be restricted I would like my rights as well. Unfortunately most smokers think it is funny to blow their smoke in your face. If smokers blow their smoke out into the air I am not bothered but often they think it cute to blow it in nonsmoker's faces. Again theat manners factor.

Seems to me if parents taught their children those simple manners lessons a lot of this would not be an issue.

Whatever happened to being responsible for our own actions?

[The Interpreter]

I agree with much of what you say, but do not find that MOST smokers enjoy blowing smoke in non-smokers' faces. I'd say it is very, very few. And those who do ought to be dealt with harshly...there is an argument that it is assault, but regardless, they are rude, obnoxious and inconsiderate. If everyone was polite and considerate of others, there would be little to no need for law enforcement, lawyers and even social workers. But such is not the case. I have often been told by proud Kings Island marketing people that at one time, Kings Island had more security people per million park visitors than any other park in America. I doubt that is true any more.

[Thrill_Biscuit]

You could have 2:1 security and still have trouble with rudeness. When people reach the level of rudeness and discourteousness that we see in the park, they've already pretty much developed a proportionate disrespect for authority. Remember, the universe belongs to these people; we don't want to spoil their fun with rules and regulations.