The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ront/814389.txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ront/814389.txt People die in crashes every day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 Not on highways owned by Cedar Fair for which there is a toll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 If only we could of prevented this tragic event. Danger sign! "Ford Pickup crossing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Not on highways owned by Cedar Fair for which there is a toll. Sadly, there is nothing unusual about a fatality on any road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Not on highways owned by Cedar Fair for which there is a toll. Sadly, there is nothing unusual about a fatality on any road. Its not just any road!! its the road of nickels =)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Not on highways owned by Cedar Fair for which there is a toll. Sadly, there is nothing unusual about a fatality on any road. Its not just any road!! its the road of nickels =)! Well .... I think that CF will only be calling it Nickel..odeon .... for a few more months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 In all seriousness, governments enjoy certain immunities from liability when they operate highways that Cedar Fair does not.... And the Nickel...odeon thing applies only at the former Paramount Parks, not the mothership... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 In all seriousness, governments enjoy certain immunities from liability when they operate highways that Cedar Fair does not.... And the Nickel...odeon thing applies only at the former Paramount Parks, not the mothership... Not true. I once handled a claim that happened in Cedar Point's parking lot. An insured struck a kid that had run out in front of the truck. Pretty serious injuries. The kids actions were the proximate cause for the loss. We agreed to pay the medical bills to attempt to resolve the incident. Cedar Point was not involved at all. But they did do the most detailed police report that I'd seen in some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 So what does that have to do with Cedar Fair not having tort immunity? Nothing...nothing at all. They don't. State and local highway departments often do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 So what does that have to do with Cedar Fair not having tort immunity? Nothing...nothing at all. They don't. State and local highway departments often do... Can not see any plaintiff approaching CF or CF for anything such as that. In fact, I've never seen any private owner approached for such things. Can you imagine how many issues there would be with hotels, restaurants, shopping malls. Simply said, it's not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 Understand the causeway is not a parking lot...it is the road to the park over the lake...and it is privately owned, by Cedar Fair... Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 The article has been updated. The man who died was an 88 year old, and lived on the Causeway, also called the Cedar Point Chaussee: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ront/814389.txt This is probably the portion East of the park, not the section that runs south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraderJake Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 Not on highways owned by Cedar Fair for which there is a toll. Sadly, there is nothing unusual about a fatality on any road. Sure there is. It may seem like people die on roads every day (and they do), but the road network is gigantic. It's much more than one road, and each fatal accident occurs under its own special circumstances. No agency wants a fatal to occur on their roads, but unfortunately they do. They'll study every fatal in great detail to see if there is anything that can be done to ensure that the accident never happens again. That said, sometimes there isn't anything that can be done (Drunk Drivers, etc.), but we (traffic engineers) still want to study the accident to figure out what could possibly be done to keep it from happening again. Also, the Chausee is in fact the original access to the park (seen as Cedar Point Rd on google maps) As such, it is definitely not a private road, and is of major interest to the City of Sandusky. Learn more about it here. /End Traffic Engineering Spiel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 6, 2008 Author Share Posted July 6, 2008 Except the Cedar Point Chaussee aka Causeway IS a private road...and a toll is charged to drive on it...50 cents of each parking toll is toll for the causeway. The housing along the causeway all comes with the rights to use the causeway, passed along the chain of title. The Causeway is open to the public in exchange for a toll, but it is not a public road. It is owned and operated by Cedar Fair. At one time, Cedar Point used to claim that parking was free, but the toll to get to the park using the causeway was three dollars, In more recent years, 50 cents of the parking fee is for use of the causeway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake54321 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Except the Cedar Point Chaussee aka Causeway IS a private road...and a toll is charged to drive on it...50 cents of each parking toll is toll for the causeway. The housing along the causeway all comes with the rights to use the causeway, passed along the chain of title. The Causeway is open to the public in exchange for a toll, but it is not a public road. It is owned and operated by Cedar Fair. At one time, Cedar Point used to claim that parking was free, but the toll to get to the park using the causeway was three dollars, In more recent years, 50 cents of the parking fee is for use of the causeway. None of you are right about the roads. The Chaussee is NOT the Cedar Point Causeway. The Chaussee AKA Cedar Point Road, is the road that runs along the lake with all the houses on it, Cedar Fair DOES NOT OWN THIS! The Causeway is the road that runs across the Sandusky Bay, Cedar Fair DOES own this. Even residents of the Chausee & their guest MUST PAY the toll if they cross the Causeway, they also sell the residents car stickers for a yearly fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 As I said earlier, the Chausee is the road to the east of the park...and it is owned by Cedar Fair...it is a private road, and not part of the local road system. It was actually built by Mr. George Boeckling, Cedar Fair's predecessor..until the causeway was built, it was the only road access to Cedar Point. You are right that the Chausee and the causeway are two different roads, though, and the causeway road is the one that runs south and for which the fifty cent toll is charged. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...0066&Ref=AR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraderJake Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Here is a link to a map showing the the city of Sandusky Owned Roads: http://www.ci.sandusky.oh.us/engineering/d...reetMap2005.pdf Hope that clears up some confusion on this issue of who owns what. If I am to trust what the engineering department tells me (and being a traffic engineer for the state of Maryland I do), it certainly would show that the City of Sandusky controls the Chausee. Given that houses line the Chausee, that would be further proof that the road is public domain. Is there any proof to show otherwise? The truth is... it really, really doesn't matter who owns the road. Just because a private entity built a road doesn't mean the private entity continues to own the road. Do you live in a subdivision? If so, I bet the developer, a private entity, built the road, and I know for a fact that in Butler County subdivision roads remain the responsibility of the developer for generally a year after build out. Good Lord, this is a fun aside into subdivision regulations and road records, it's certainly been fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 Given that it shows a gap on the Cedar Point Causeway, you may indeed be right...the gap is probably the remaining privately owned section of the causeway for which Cedar Fair charges the toll...perhaps at some time the shown sections were indeed dedicated to public use (and thus Cedar Fair was relieved of the obligation of operating and maintaining the road). I'm a bit stunned, though, that under those circumstances Cedar Fair or its predecessors were allowed to retain a portion of the causeway while ceding the remainder and the Chausee. I'd have thought it would be all or nothing. And yes, it has been very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Here is a video of the CP Chaussee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeLaOrx6QgQ...feature=related As mentioned earlier, the Causeway and Chaussee are two different roads and used by the many residents that live along the waterfront as well as the residents that live near the CP parking lot. BTW, if anyone would like some nice views of Lake Erie, take the Chaussee. But be careful, the police (not CP police) watch that road like hawks when CP is open, especially near CP's start and end of day hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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