The Interpreter Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well, to be fair, Mr. Kinzel and Co. said today that Kings Island is a bright spot. Then again, after $22 million, it darn sure should be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan1980 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I hope these guys know what they're doing. If not, the next owners could have a nice coaster lineup already in place. And yes, I'm sure they know what they're doing...hopefully... The reality is that the do know what they are doing. They are following a strategy that is carefully thought out and that they believe will result in improved results for themselves and the CF unit holders. It has worked for them in the past and they believe it will continue to work. I would agree with that sentiment except that the old way it worked in the past seems to work no longer. "If you build it, they will come" just isn't working any more. Which is exactly why the final paragraph I wrote - that you erased from the quote - was written. Repeated below: "The problem is that so many things have changed - the economic situation and its impact on customers, the availability/ability to refinance debt, the overall size of CF, and much more. Whether the strategy is going to work out long term is undefined." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkiboy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well, to be fair, Mr. Kinzel and Co. said today that Kings Island is a bright spot. Then again, after $22 million, it darn sure should be! Amen to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomkatt7 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 yep, they weren't saying that the last time they spent 20 Mil on a coaster at the Island! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I hope these guys know what they're doing. If not, the next owners could have a nice coaster lineup already in place. And yes, I'm sure they know what they're doing...hopefully... The reality is that the do know what they are doing. They are following a strategy that is carefully thought out and that they believe will result in improved results for themselves and the CF unit holders. It has worked for them in the past and they believe it will continue to work. I would agree with that sentiment except that the old way it worked in the past seems to work no longer. "If you build it, they will come" just isn't working any more. Which is exactly why the final paragraph I wrote - that you erased from the quote - was written. Repeated below: "The problem is that so many things have changed - the economic situation and its impact on customers, the availability/ability to refinance debt, the overall size of CF, and much more. Whether the strategy is going to work out long term is undefined." I just don't see that strategy ever working again is what I'm getting at. So, their long term strategy is pretty much defined by if you build it they will come and it's not working now, nor is it going to work any time soon. Time for a new strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I'd more say it works for a little while...but does it last long enough to make it pay? There's the rub. There is no question that Diamondback has brought business to Kings Island. But how long does that effect last? And will it be long enough to pay for itself? In a pay one price (largely) park, how does a $22 million ride justify itself? The calculations are much harder than they would be in a pay per ride venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 http://www.hanovercountyvirginia.org/Click...atusOptions.jsp Parcel ID: 7893-02-7643 Address: 16000 THEME PARK WAY Application Date: 06/11/09 Owner: PARAMOUNT PARKS, INC Application #: 09 - 938 Application Type: COMMERCIAL NEW Valuation: $3,000,000 Square Footage: 0 Tenant Name: Application Status: PERMIT ISSUED Tenant Unit Number: General Contractor: WHITING-TURNER CONTRACTING Zoning Description: COMMERCIAL Paramount Parks? http://www.hanovercountyvirginia.org/Click...icationFees.jsp Over $15,000 for permit fees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 http://www.kdfansite.com/forums/viewtopic....&start=5730 just looking over my event invitation for the 20th and Clint seems to have left out an important piece of information. the invitation states that a special guest from Dale Earnhardt Inc. will be attending the event. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 http://www.hanovercountyvirginia.org/Click...atusOptions.jsp Parcel ID: 7893-02-7643 Address: 16000 THEME PARK WAY Application Date: 06/11/09 Owner: PARAMOUNT PARKS, INC Application #: 09 - 938 Application Type: COMMERCIAL NEW Valuation: $3,000,000 Square Footage: 0 Tenant Name: Application Status: PERMIT ISSUED Tenant Unit Number: General Contractor: WHITING-TURNER CONTRACTING Zoning Description: COMMERCIAL Paramount Parks? http://www.hanovercountyvirginia.org/Click...icationFees.jsp Over $15,000 for permit fees! Hmmmm....... Nice find, very peculiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Maybe this coaster has been in the making for many, many years, and the permits have to be filed under the same company name that started the project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Kid Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 ^ you might be right maybe paramount wanted to get this ride but sold the prk before they could do it and now that Cedar Fair has it they will be doing what paramount left out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Update from Clint: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Here are day 71 pictures. Here is the entire photo gallery. Here are some additional photos that someone took. In the third link, there is a picture of what looks like it may be a part of the cable lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kevin Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I was at Kings Dominion last week and I took lots of pictures of construction/ track. Should I post them here or is that against some rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm pretty sure you can. I mean Clint does every week and he takes video. As long as you don't pass the fence you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Yeah. I'd say go ahead and post them, because people are always posting pictures they've taken at parks, so I don't see how this would be any different. Just don't post any you took from illegal areas or on rides. Edit: 1500 post. I'm a KIC Platinum Member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kevin Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Here they are. I took all of these pictures last Friday, August 7th. The Construction Site behind Anaconda from the Eiffel Tower. The track/ supports from the Eiffel Tower. That looks EXTREMELY strong. Stairs for the lift hill I'm guessing. Adena is apparently the company which will be constructing the coaster. The stairs are in the way, but the truck says they are from Mansfield, Ohio. More track. And some more. Those are some weird looking supports. More supports. What could that track in the background be? It is curved, so it could be transfer track like the ones on Millie, or even the cable lift. That's a lot of the same looking track. I believe this was pointed out in one Clint's videos, but that track on the left seems to be the crown of the cable lift. You can see where the catch car would go underneath the track when it lets go of the train. More of the station/ lift/ transfer/ storage track. Looks very similar to the Premier track on Backlot Stunt Coaster. I have no clue what this double railed track is for. Brakes I guess? Supports, with what looks like lift track in the background. Well that's all I've got. Enjoy. PS I really hope i didn't just break a rule or law there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Great Pictures! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kevin Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^Very much welcome. Taken at the request of Diamondback FOF: Here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 That is like some of the supports being used on iSpeed, but larger and beefier. More supports. What could that track in the background be? It is curved, so it could be transfer track like the ones on Millie, or even the cable lift. That is for part of the crown, before the cable starts pulling away. That's a lot of the same looking track. I noticed that too. There seems to only be straight track, and track that bends that way (concave?). There is very little twisted track, or track that curves the other direction (convex?). I believe this was pointed out in one Clint's videos, but that track on the left seems to be the crown of the cable lift. You can see where the catch car would go underneath the track when it lets go of the train. More of the station/ lift/ transfer/ storage track. That is part of the lift hill track. Looks very similar to the Premier track on Backlot Stunt Coaster. I have no clue what this double railed track is for. I agree. I think it looks like it is for the brake run, station, and/or storage track. What is the double railed track you're referring to? Supports, with what looks like lift track in the background. That is where the 'reular track' starts to pull away from the lift hill support structure, because the right side has a larger gap. Thanks for the pictures!!! Edit: Thanks for granting my request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 ...Edit: 1500 post. I'm not a KIC Platinum Member But you ARE. Terpy, ever the literal one, and who is, was and ever shall be "The Interpreter," be it with one post or seven million (Yes, folks, post count truly does mean nothing to him...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I have absolutely no idea why I put 'not' in that sentence. I fixed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Browns Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 "That's a lot of the same looking track." Clint's latest video points out that the staging area has been almost doubled so there is a lot more track on the way. As for the different types of track, we've never seen most of this style track before but we we can guess what purpose it will serve based on what Intamin has done in the past. Definitely lift hill because it has the trough for the cable lift and extremely strong structure which illudes to a minimal amount of supports even more so than MilF. Probably the most expensive piece of track but if that means less 300ft tall supports then its worth it. This will be used for the bulk of the ride from the bottom of the lift to near the break run. Again double spine is for extra strength, less supports, and more versatile than the boxy lift hill track above. Less big suppors = less $$. This track will be at the end of the ride, transfer track, break run, station. These sections are low to the ground so a minimalist track structure combined with more tiny supports is the cheapest way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 More pictures were taken and can be found here. There was one piece that had a nice twist in it. There is a link further down on the page to more pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kevin Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Look at This. Scroll down to the Minimum Requirements. Must have ability to climb to heights of 350'. Does KD have anything that is 350' tall? Not yet, I don't believe. If this was already pointed out, delete this. I didn't see anything though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I know that was pointed out several times in the KDFanSite thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kevin Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Oops. I'm not on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Its cool. I'm not part of the site either, I've just been reading it a lot lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbfan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Tallest Giga coaster in the world for KD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Look at This. Scroll down to the Minimum Requirements. Must have ability to climb to heights of 350'. Does KD have anything that is 350' tall? Not yet, I don't believe. If this was already pointed out, delete this. I didn't see anything though. Well, the Eiffel Tower is about 332 feet tall, so it could be just a rounded up height, but it has been rumored this giga will be nearly 350 feet tall. I do think it will be the tallest lift hill coaster in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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