Legend Rider Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I think one of the only promoted parks, which does not "tackily" promote the name is Busch Gardens, they take the Busch name and glorify it with Gardens, making it sound like a thing of beauty, and they theme the two parks... one to Europe, and one to Africa, featuring a Zoo. They would have to change names completely if the owners changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkGuy Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 It's far too early to say the Paramount theming will stay. Or go. I hope they remove 110% of it, and for the Paramount Story, they need to burn that area and call in the HAZMAT crew. Once it is cleaned up, open a memorial about how a corporation wiped its A$$ with an amusment park. It will take the new owners hours upon hours to clean up that crap (theming and the Paramount name)! Toilet paper anyone? Don't Squeeze the Charmin! -adam12 Really??? I honestly love what paramount has done and I hope the theming stays just admit it without paramount the park would be lame and boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Really??? I honestly love what paramount has done and I hope the theming stays just admit it without paramount the park would be lame and boring. I wouldn't say the park would be lame and boring if Paramount never came into Kings Island. I'm sure the previous owners would have bulit some cool new rides. I myself though a little off topic is still hoping to see a new big steel coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Subterranean Butler Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 When Paramount bought out King's Island, I died a little inside. I don't like the "lorz, ok, Tom Cruise in the hizzy" stuff they want you to visit year after year. I didn't like the Hanna Barbaric stuff either. I tell you what: 1) Donald Trump should buy it out 2) He has to sign a contract stating that he won't cheat on his wife again 3) Refunds to anyone who barfs on their rides 4) Back away from the romantic couples theme - make the joint more appropriate for guys in their 20's who want some action, and I don't mean the nasty kind 5) Be more reasonable on the food prices, we don't want to pay 5 dollars for a cannibal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 When Paramount bought out King's Island, I died a little inside. I don't like the "lorz, ok, Tom Cruise in the hizzy" stuff they want you to visit year after year. I didn't like the Hanna Barbaric stuff either. I tell you what: 1) Donald Trump should buy it out 2) He has to sign a contract stating that he won't cheat on his wife again 3) Refunds to anyone who barfs on their rides 4) Back away from the romantic couples theme - make the joint more appropriate for guys in their 20's who want some action, and I don't mean the nasty kind 5) Be more reasonable on the food prices, we don't want to pay 5 dollars for a cannibal LOL! That was funny. I just hope whoever gains control of the Paramount Parks, that they will fix some of the stuff I don't agree with. The high price of food. Yes I know it's a Theme Park, and prices are going to be on the high side, but not this high. Just for myself to have a meal in the park, including a drink cost anywhere between 11 and 12 dollars. Can you imagine if you bring a family of 4 into the park to eat. That's 44 to 48 dollars just for food. Which is high. Charging $3.29 for a 20 oz cup of pop is outragous. Last year it wasn't that high. I belive it was $2.79 last year. With the large drink being $2.99, and $3.49 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 It's funny to hear you guys attack Paramount so much. Trust me, under Linder, Kings Island was going nowhere... but bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 It's funny to hear you guys attack Paramount so much. Trust me, under Linder, Kings Island was going nowhere... but bankrupt. Amen. People seem to forget that the year Lindner sold was the last year that KECO was to manage the park, even absent the park. And it was Paramount who put the parks back together under one umbrella... If Paramount had not bought PKD, PCWi, PGA and KECO's interest in PCWo, then KI would have continued under Lindner. I have always said the Lindner years were not kind years for Kings Island. I still say that. That all being said, this transition year is also not a good thing. But things could be far, far worse...Story, Burke and Co. were not exactly the best thing that ever happened to the Six Flags parks. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 That all being said, this transition year is also not a good thing. But things could be far, far worse...Story, Burke and Co. were not exactly the best thing that ever happened to the Six Flags parks. . . I agree entirely. With a transition in place, this could be the worst year we've seen in a long time at PKI, but I have my serious doubts about that. I really think that the crew has their heads above water. Regardless, having good and bad years is all part of progress. PKI doesn't need to be returned to its former glory, it still is in glory. You need to appreciate that you have a park that shells out anything it can for its guests. Granted, prices rise, things break down, etc., but that's all part of this business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium13 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 People just like to complain about the negatives instead of looking at all the great things Paramount has done for the parks. Such as: 1) Giving us a new ride each and every year. 2) Giving us an award winning kids area 3) Top Gun, Flight of Fear, Italian Job, Delirium, Tomb Raider, Son of Beast (I guess that varies from person to person on wether you think SOB is a plus or not, but I personnally think it is a great ride.), etc. 4) The Action Zone and all of its rides 5) They made HUGE improvements on the waterpark in changing it into Boomerang Bay 6) They keep the park clean for the most part. They do a whole lot more than what I just name. We take these things for granted too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 It's funny to hear you guys attack Paramount so much. Trust me, under Linder, Kings Island was going nowhere... but bankrupt. The park was under Lindner in name only. The only difference was the emphasis on UDF Products and Chiquita Island. The park was still run by KECO. Seems that all the parks were doing just fine even under Lindner. I know that my Supervisors bonuses certainly helped me get through college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Amen. People seem to forget that the year Lindner sold was the last year that KECO was to manage the park, even absent the park. And it was Paramount who put the parks back together under one umbrella... If Paramount had not bought PKD, PCWi, PGA and KECO's interest in PCWo, then KI would have continued under Lindner. I have always said the Lindner years were not kind years for Kings Island. I still say that. That all being said, this transition year is also not a good thing. But things could be far, far worse...Story, Burke and Co. were not exactly the best thing that ever happened to the Six Flags parks. . . Hate to disagree with ya Interpreter but this is an area I know quite well. A bunch of us were on a Supervisor's tour of Canada's Wonderland when we found out that Lindner had purchased KI. We were actually kinda nervous as to if we were going to have positions as the supervisors staff were KECO Employees. Alas, we returned and nothing was even the slightest bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Disagree all you want! In any event, Lindner had already made clear the KECO contract was NOT going to be renewed. Heaven only knows what he would have done to KI without KECO. I, for one, am very glad we never found out. That all being said, he DID contract for TCTWTBKATG (The Coaster That Was To Become Known As Top Gun). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 People just like to complain about the negatives instead of looking at all the great things Paramount has done for the parks. Such as: 1) Giving us a new ride each and every year. 2) Giving us an award winning kids area 3) Top Gun, Flight of Fear, Italian Job, Delirium, Tomb Raider, Son of Beast (I guess that varies from person to person on wether you think SOB is a plus or not, but I personnally think it is a great ride.), etc. 4) The Action Zone and all of its rides 5) They made HUGE improvements on the waterpark in changing it into Boomerang Bay 6) They keep the park clean for the most part. They do a whole lot more than what I just name. We take these things for granted too much. 1) Along with new shows and new additions to seasonal events (can you say bigger FearFest this year? ) 2) Don't forget the Avatar coaster--the grown man's reason to stay more than 20 minutes in Nick Universe. 3) Dude, you just totally forgot the most important ride added in over the past several years...Ghoster Coaster. Seriously, though, SOB is a great ride, along with TR:TR, Delirium, and FOF. 4) Also known as "The Area With Little To No Shade In The Form Of Trees That Has Some Of The Wildest Rides On The Planet." 5) Which now looks beautiful with the added scenery, and will look even better once the foliage grow into fully-sized adult trees. 6) Props to us Ecology folk. Don't forget the recent addition of two of the best shows I have seen that haven't come from Disney or Universal--School of Rock LIVE and the Nickelodeon Celebration Parade. Based on all the rumors being speculated and the looming shadow of PKI's 35th anniversary and CoasterCon XXX (at least I think it's 30), 2007 proves to be the year for one hell of a coaster experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Contrary to many coaster enthusiasts' beliefs, major parks do NOT plan expansions or coasters around whether or not they are hosting an ACE convention. That fact alone does not indicate ANYTHING at all about what may or may not be in store for 2oo7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewldre Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have enjoyed being with the Paramount name... you can say all you want about getting rid of them and getting rid of them fast, but they have done some good things. Sadly, despite what we all may think, HB is not what kids watch today... sure, scooby is still around and I definitely grew up watching that stuff, but Spongebob, Dora, Danny Phantom, etc... is what kids watch nowadays. I know, it's hard for us older "kids" but it was a necessary change to keep with the times. Yes, kids still know of Fred and Gang, but they are starting to refernce them as what mom and dad used to watch and nothing more. (yes, those character are getting old, sadly) For those who don't think they have made improvements, I can't quite fathom how a park wins the World's Best Kid's Area every single year the award has been up for grabs. We have one every single year since the awards beginning. Also, for the facts on attendance the numbers PKI was 16th last year, 3.3 million visitors. Notice, the top 12 or so are year round parks, so we are among the best seasonal parks. We are behind a sister park, which we were ahead of in 2004 to be the #1 most visited seasonal park. Paramount has it's flaws, as does every company, but I think they took care of us well, but I still look forward to see what new oweners will bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I for one like Paramount. I think they have done an okay job with the park. I know in the beginning it was rough for Paramount, cause they were learning the ropes. But running a business isn't always easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Don't forget the recent addition of two of the best shows I have seen that haven't come from Disney or Universal--School of Rock LIVE and the Nickelodeon Celebration Parade. I guess you don't remember what entertainment used to be like at the park. Big Sigh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 give it a rest already. I remember the shows from 'yesteryear' and to be honest there wasnt one show that sticks out in my mind other than the winterfest show that stuck out as absolutely amazing. The entertainment is not less than an industry standard, better than most, the best, of course not. So save the whole 'sigh' thing.... Dont patronize me like i dont know what entertainment is. Furthermore, I think we can all count our blessings that Paramount has control over the park and not some of these former 'managers and supervisors" that are still riding out some fantasy of one day running the park. I have little doubt that any of the general public will see any change in day to day operations. And considering that most of the departmental big wigs have been there since before KI became PKI... i doubt there will be any HUGE mix up in mgt. But of course im sure someone knows some huge consipracy theory. There are very few parks or park chains that go out of there way to cater to the gp. How many park chains have online surveys etc. And of those surveys, physical pojects emerge??? I just get so tired of reading the same messages from the same people - paramount cant do this right - they took this out - this costs to much. Again - its an amusement park, as with malls, movie theaters, putt putt golf centers, parks, lakes, hotels, states, countries etc... If you had a bad time - DONT GO BACK. Why sit here and pretend that some California Media Conglomorate really plays this HUGE role in what you consider the "downfall" of an amusement park. Like Les Moonves visits these places. Kings Island has done nothing but grow and expand. And considering that they still draw in the crowds with the price of admission being what it is and prices to travel so high and obviously getting higher - they obviously have a great product and that speaks well for them. Lastly before i go write my paper.... I all think that we are entitled to our opinions. I certainly have mine. But at one point in time you have to sit back and realize that this place we all go to is there for 2 reasons. To make money and to make smiles. Sometimes I think that some of these disgruntled former employees, and you know who im talking about, just sit back and criticize when they themselves could not do a better job at all. Hmmm.... the most disappointed thing about pki....THE MOST.... BY FAR ..... to me..... is when someone walks out of the park and cant say they had a good time. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 The question is NOT whether when someone walks out they had a good time or not. The question, rather, is whether they had a good time for the money they spent, such that they will come back again and again. Season passholders and people who post to this site, I don't worry about. Most of them would come back again and again if the new attraction for three years in a row was a new trash can. It's things like the hour wait (or more) to get in the park at the front gate that awaits the unsuspecting day ticket buyer from Elyria, who has no idea the park no longer opens the gates at 9 that worry me. The fact that same couple from Elyria expected shows in April, and there were none. None of the April 2006 shows are memorable because guess what? There isn't any. The people who go once or twice a year to KI don't really care about what happens in the weeksn and months they aren't there. It doesn't affect them. The day they paid for DOES. Then we have the fact they spent nearly $30 for lunch...at Skyline? That they paid ten dollars to park and for that didn't even get tram service. That they saw a huge parking lot right next to the gate reserved for people who did what? Paid more to park there? Have passes? Know somebody? They don't know, but I have heard many guests complain about this. Who should be treated better? People who pay $10 to park for a day or people who paid NOTHING extra to park all season? As prices rise, gas gets more dear and money gets tighter, people have other choices. They can go to Cedar Point, which CUT admission prices. They can use a coupon for free parking at Geauga Lake, which ran last Sunday in their local papers. They can go to the local swimming pool. They can stay home and watch DVD's. What CBS/Paramount does NOW may affect Kings Island for years. I have no great problems with what Paramount Parks has done the last 14 years...my problems, which I have posted, are with what they doing to cut costs NOW....cuts the occasional guest IS affected by, and big time. And I have said it before and I will say it again. I am not an employee of Paramount, Kings Island, CBS, Viacom, or Six Flags Theme Parks, nor have I ever been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have enjoyed being with the Paramount name... you can say all you want about getting rid of them and getting rid of them fast, but they have done some good things. Sadly, despite what we all may think, HB is not what kids watch today... sure, scooby is still around and I definitely grew up watching that stuff, but Spongebob, Dora, Danny Phantom, etc... is what kids watch nowadays. I know, it's hard for us older "kids" but it was a necessary change to keep with the times. Yes, kids still know of Fred and Gang, but they are starting to refernce them as what mom and dad used to watch and nothing more. (yes, those character are getting old, sadly) For those who don't think they have made improvements, I can't quite fathom how a park wins the World's Best Kid's Area every single year the award has been up for grabs. We have one every single year since the awards beginning. Also, for the facts on attendance the numbers PKI was 16th last year, 3.3 million visitors. Notice, the top 12 or so are year round parks, so we are among the best seasonal parks. We are behind a sister park, which we were ahead of in 2004 to be the #1 most visited seasonal park. Paramount has it's flaws, as does every company, but I think they took care of us well, but I still look forward to see what new oweners will bring. Amusement Business magazine's annual estimate and is not facts on attendance. Paramount Parks do not release their attendance numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Amen. There are those in the industry that believe those estimates are in part leaked, and some are understated while others are overstated...for various reasons. No one, other than a few people at AB, knows for sure...and they aren't about to tell how they come up with all the estimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewldre Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 This I realize... I was using the numbers as mere references. We have a greatly visited park here at PKI, something must be right. Again, you don't have the worlds best kids area every single year the award has been issued if you aren't doing something right. Sure, we don't win best park overall, Cedar Point takes that, but they are going for high thrills where we're going for the family rides... Yes, prices are on the rides, but you can't solely blame that on Paramount. Gone to get gas in a car? Nearly $3 a gallon... Prices are on the rise everywhere... It's possible that Paramount raised prices higher than they should have, but they are not the sole reason prices are going up. Oh, and you can say then why did Cedar Point lower prices, but frankly, we're not there, we don't know what the motivation truly was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 This I realize... I was using the numbers as mere references. We have a greatly visited park here at PKI, something must be right. Again, you don't have the worlds best kids area every single year the award has been issued if you aren't doing something right. Sure, we don't win best park overall, Cedar Point takes that, but they are going for high thrills where we're going for the family rides... Yes, prices are on the rides, but you can't solely blame that on Paramount. Gone to get gas in a car? Nearly $3 a gallon... Prices are on the rise everywhere... It's possible that Paramount raised prices higher than they should have, but they are not the sole reason prices are going up. Oh, and you can say then why did Cedar Point lower prices, but frankly, we're not there, we don't know what the motivation truly was. Why do you refer to PKI and yourself as we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewldre Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 this is a pki fansite... I am referring to the site and pki as a sum... you guys complain about the park, yet you are posting on a FANSITE.. Yes, we... you, me, the rest of the folk here, the park itself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 It looked like you was important or something. You will find that most don't say things about the good because that is what it is expected to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewldre Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 It looked like you was important or something. You will find that most don't say things about the good because that is what it is expected to be. That is not it at all... Here's the facts, people remember bad experiences much more than they remember good. They also report bad more than good. When was the last time you asked a waiter or waitress to see the manager because you wanted to report how GOOD they were doing... Happens rarely. I think I have done it twice in 23 years on this planet... People always rememeber bad and report bad more often. It's sad, but it's true. One experience can make or break a persons thought on anything. First impressions are everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 If no one wants to see the manager the manager would know that they are doing a good job. Like I said doing a good job is whats expected. I have handed out tickets to the ones that was doing a good job but I don't know what they got for it. They gave them to me when entering the park to hand out one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewldre Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 If no one wants to see the manager the manager would know that they are doing a good job. Like I said doing a good job is whats expected. I have handed out tickets to the ones that was doing a good job but I don't know what they got for it. They gave them to me when entering the park to hand out one time. how long ago was this?? They used to use them for the blue and white stars you would see on nametags... but that was years ago. I believe it was 5 years ago that they stopped doing that. A good time may be expected, but that does not mean you shouldnt say something. Let's say you had a merely average, or ok, time, you wouldnt say something. However, you said above that it would then be assumed the job was good, and would never improve. I wouldn't go out of my way to make a point to note to a manager someone who is doing average work. Now, if there truly is good work being done, let someone know so that they will tell others about it. Good work is expected, but unless people know what is good, because someone tells them, they might settle for adequate. It's sad, but it's true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I gave out the tickets in 03 or 04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have enjoyed being with the Paramount name... you can say all you want about getting rid of them and getting rid of them fast, but they have done some good things. Sadly, despite what we all may think, HB is not what kids watch today... sure, scooby is still around and I definitely grew up watching that stuff, but Spongebob, Dora, Danny Phantom, etc... is what kids watch nowadays. I know, it's hard for us older "kids" but it was a necessary change to keep with the times. Yes, kids still know of Fred and Gang, but they are starting to refernce them as what mom and dad used to watch and nothing more. (yes, those character are getting old, sadly) For those who don't think they have made improvements, I can't quite fathom how a park wins the World's Best Kid's Area every single year the award has been up for grabs. We have one every single year since the awards beginning. Also, for the facts on attendance the numbers PKI was 16th last year, 3.3 million visitors. Notice, the top 12 or so are year round parks, so we are among the best seasonal parks. We are behind a sister park, which we were ahead of in 2004 to be the #1 most visited seasonal park. Paramount has it's flaws, as does every company, but I think they took care of us well, but I still look forward to see what new oweners will bring. cewldre, Is your head really shaped like a football? Just wondered, does it hurt? You should get it reshaped and then rethink this stuff... -adam12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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