ChadMan Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I was wondering why some of the food places and the train closed at 9... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The train closes once its finished carting guests to and from the water park and what food places closed early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPoobah Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Low attendance most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersNSich Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Yes, restaurants like Bubba Gump's, Happy Days Diner, probably even Festhaus and Wings, usually close at 9pm. I'm sure that food sales sharply decline around then, but then again, operating hours at food stands will be evaluated by Cedar Fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadMan Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Wings, potatoe works, central grill and I think even Tomb Raider was closed don't quote me on that though.... Plus even some of the gift shops were closed at 10 and they never were any other time that I have been there... Hopfully Cedar Fair will change things for the better... Atleast I hope so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIWorker19 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 ALL stands that sell beer close an hour before the park. Cedar Fair has also implimented a policy that no Food stand can close before 8pm. So, if attendance is low and a certain stand is not making enough money, once 8pm hits, it is closed for the evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Wings, potatoe works, central grill and I think even Tomb Raider was closed don't quote me on that though.... Plus even some of the gift shops were closed at 10 and they never were any other time that I have been there... Hopfully Cedar Fair will change things for the better... Atleast I hope so.... If Tomb Raider was closed it was probably due to a technical difficulty as it does not close early on a regular basis, and whats this about Cedar Fair making a change for the better? Whats wrong with some food stands closing around 9, theres still PLENTY open, and if thats close to closing time and if I were you I would just wait an hour and hit up the many fast food options around the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Hmmm....teaching the guests that if they want to eat, they should leave the park. Now there's a brilliant concept for higher profits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPoobah Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If a stand isn't making money (i.e. is losing money by being open), it makes perfect sense to close it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 It's a short walk from there to "...on days when the park isn't making money, it makes perfect sense to close it." Oh, wait. That's why Paramount shortened the hours this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If a stand isn't making money (i.e. is losing money by being open), it makes perfect sense to close it. Certainly not a stretch to be closing things early. When I worked at Quickdraws: Bam Bam's, HB Cotton Candy and HB Sipper would close at about 9pm. Smurf Goodies and Quickdraws would stay open to close. When I was at International Street Funnel Cakes: Funnel Cakes and Munchen Tower would stay open until we tagged the lines (roughly 30 minutes after close) and brought the lines on in. Oktoberfest Fresh Fruit/Quench would close at 9pm. When I was at Mushrooms & Rings: Mushrooms & Rings would would stay open until close. Tower Drinks would close an hour before park closing and the Push Up Cart would close at 9pm. When I was at WAH Karts: Corn Dog And WAH Icee would stay open until close. Adventure Quench and Adventure Ice Cream Kart would stay open until 9pm unless there was a concert at TimberWolf. If there was a concert, each of those carts would stay open until 30 minutes after the concert let out and the lines were tagged and brounght down. When I was at Ice Cream Shoppe: International Ice Cream Shoppe, International Sipper and International Popcorn Cart would stay open until 30 minutes after close and the lines were tagged and brough down. That's just the way it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadMan Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 It's a short walk from there to "...on days when the park isn't making money, it makes perfect sense to close it." Oh, wait. That's why Paramount shortened the hours this season... The reason why the park isn't making money is beacuse there food prices are way to high I had 4 other people with me and my dad spent 58 something to eat at the happy days diner.... I was wondering why I wasn't seeing very many people eating there guess I found out why... I think should have left the park open late on the weekends like they did in the past I remember seeing alot of people staying in the park and spending money .... So the park was making money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 They have been doing this for years. Happy Days/Tuckers always closed around 9pm. Alot of people don't eat there late evening. I beleive Wings always closed an hour before the park too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 They have been doing this for years. Happy Days/Tuckers always closed around 9pm. Alot of people don't eat there late evening. I beleive Wings always closed an hour before the park too. Wings has closed an hour before closing time from the time it was Columbia Palace. When it was Columbia Palace it was a sit down restaurant and you could not cycle someone through in that amount of time before fireworks and closing. When it was changed over to cafeteria style it continued to close an hour before closing as the closing process is so labor intensive. The kitchen for one is ENORMOUS! and each one of the tables has to have the chairs flipped and the large dining room cleaned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadMan Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 thanks for the info everyone... I still they should put that on the park map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullimann Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You also have to consider that many food locations have minors from 15-18 working in locations and they must be off prior to 10pm. And it takes a while to close a food location since it must be in sanitary condition before you leave. It really doesn't make since to keep all food locations open until park close. Even Disney and Universal close many food locations early. It is typically hot food service that closes early since fryers and grills are time consuming. While Ice cream, funnel cakes and other operations are easier to clean. And guest typically aren't looking for pizza, burgers and big meals before leaving the park. They are usually looking for something to wind down with and enjoy while waiting for the fireworks or park closing. I can say from the operations department side that I would rather have stores and food operations close in waves than to have 30 venues and carts calling for supervisors and fighting to get cashed out and closed. As mentioned in anouther thread I would like to see a full service resturant like TGI fridays near the front gate. With the lack of entertainment in the park a full service resturant could actually make a good investment to the park for people who want to get out of the heat and enjoy something good to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You are exactly right. But Cedar Fair really needs to do something about this: With the lack of entertainment in the park.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 International Street Pizza is always open when the park is closing. I always see lots of people getting pizzas to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 16 to 18 year olds do not have to be off by "x" time. That's a common misperception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 THAT depends on the state. This is a matter of state law...Here's Ohio's rules (note that there ARE provisions for hours of work even during non-school months for 14 and 15 year olds: http://198.234.41.198/w3/webwh.nsf/allbyke...52566180051AF2E "Employment Hours" Minors 14 and 15 When school is IN session minors 14 & 15 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or after 7:00 p.m.; work more than 3 hours on any School Day; work more than 18 hours in any School Week; work during school hours, unless employment is incidental to bona fide vocational training program. When school is NOT in session minors 14 & 15 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or after 9:00 p.m.; work more than 8 hours per day; work more than 40 hours per week. Minors 16 and 17 When school is IN session minors 16 & 17 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or 6:00 a.m. if not employed after 8:00 p.m. the previous night; or after 11:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday. There is no limitation in hours per day or week. When school is NOT in session minors 16 & 17 have no limitation as to the starting and ending time and no limitation in hours per day or week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPoobah Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Wow...I'm not sure what the big problem is with a few stands closing early. You have to remember that first and foremost PKI is a business whose primary concern is making money. And don't think that will change now that CF is in charge. The management of KI is basically fighting to keep their jobs with Cedar Fair, so you can expect there to be a big push to generate as much profit as possible for the rest of this season. This past week was unusual anyway, in my opinion. On the days when it rained all day, there may have been only about 4000 people in the park around 8 or 9 pm. With that low attendance, you can't justify keeping everything open and paying all the associates' salaries when they can't be expected to make much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 THAT depends on the state. This is a matter of state law...Here's Ohio's rules (note that there ARE provisions for hours of work even during non-school months for 14 and 15 year olds: http://198.234.41.198/w3/webwh.nsf/allbyke...52566180051AF2E "Employment Hours" Minors 14 and 15 When school is IN session minors 14 & 15 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or after 7:00 p.m.; work more than 3 hours on any School Day; work more than 18 hours in any School Week; work during school hours, unless employment is incidental to bona fide vocational training program. When school is NOT in session minors 14 & 15 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or after 9:00 p.m.; work more than 8 hours per day; work more than 40 hours per week. Minors 16 and 17 When school is IN session minors 16 & 17 cannot be employed before 7:00 a.m. or 6:00 a.m. if not employed after 8:00 p.m. the previous night; or after 11:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday. There is no limitation in hours per day or week. When school is NOT in session minors 16 & 17 have no limitation as to the starting and ending time and no limitation in hours per day or week. And I think that's kinda what I said. <G> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIWorker19 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 As stated before, 16-17 year olds DO NOT have to be out by a certain time unless it is a Sunday when school is in session, and that time is 11pm. There is a certain amount of money that you have to make PER hour to stay open. When I was working there, that number ranged from 150-250 depending on the stand and how many people you have at the time. And especially now that you have so many stands that serve the same thing, you can close two down and send everyone to Festhaus, which is what we do most of the time. PKI is a business and you can't stay open without making money, period. We can not put the closing and opening times of the stands on the map because those change A LOT. One stand can start opening at 10, and then move to 11 or 12. Beer serving locations have to, BY LAW, close an hour before the park does. Pretty much what it comes down to is if you want to eat, get to any beer serving location an hour BEFORE the park closes, or go to International Street pizza, or International Street Funnel Cakes. Those are the two stands that normally stay open until we run the lines out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 It's actually not by law that beer operations close down an hour prior to closing. It's generally just good business practice. The theory behind it is that you will be sending people onto the street less intoxicated. This has been the principle from back when there was actually Beer Carts stationed around the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 And if they KNOW they are sending people into the streets intoxicated, they will soon learn about Dram Shop Acts....I, for one, still think that amusement parks and alcohol shouldn't mix. By the way, at Cedar Point, the entire park is considered to be a bar under the law, and open containers can be taken anywhere in the park; whereas at Kings Island each establishment serving beer is considered a separate establishment and you are not allowed to take beer from the boundaries of that establishment. Ever see the signs at LaRosa's or Fest Haus? I wonder what will happen there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 There have never been any real issues with alcohol in the park. There have been a few incidents that I will not go into but in the grand scheme of things nothing major. At one time you could take beer anywhere in the park and there actual Beer Carts set up. It was later that the carts were pulled into physical operations like Tower Drinks and Rivertown Potato Works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nothing major? I guess that's why the park quit selling alcohol for several years after a certain Sunday... One of my major disappointments with Paramount was when they brought it back. MOST people who drink do so responsibly, but the consequences when they don't can be far greater in a recreational setting. Had alcohol not been served in the park, I doubt seriously there would have been any deaths in the park to date. . . In any event, Cedar Fair's policies seem to be far more lenient than Paramount Parks' were. It will be interesting to see how this is handled in the future at Kings Island, Kings Dominion &c. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nothing major? I guess that's why the park quit selling alcohol for several years after a certain Sunday... One of my major disappointments with Paramount was when they brought it back. MOST people who drink do so responsibly, but the consequences when they don't can be far greater in a recreational setting. Had alcohol not been served in the park, I doubt seriously there would have been any deaths in the park to date. . . In any event, Cedar Fair's policies seem to be far more lenient than Paramount Parks' were. It will be interesting to see how this is handled in the future at Kings Island, Kings Dominion &c. . . That was over reacting. People do stupid things. That really can not be attributed to use of a legal product by adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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